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I've cheated on my wife - what now?

55 replies

usuallyconfused · 24/09/2015 03:16

OK, the title says it all, but lets step back in time a bit...

I met my wife about 13 years ago, when we were both in our early twenties. Each of us had had just one serious relationship prior to that. Things were fantastic - we got on really well, we were very affectionate, quite intimate, and a bit passionate. We had regular (2 or 3 times a week) sex, and we fell in love. A year later we got engaged, and 18 months after that we were married. A few months later we had our first child, and two more followed over the next 5 years. Our youngest is now 5.

Like many couples, our sex life had diminished somewhat even before marriage, but I was still quite happy with how things were up to that point.

The first birth was not a good experience - it was traumatic for my wife, and she had to be cut during childbirth to get our daughter out safely. The damage caused by that has resulted in my wife experiencing some pain during sex ever since (with some improvements due to subsequent surgery and treatment coming later). This is quite obviously not my wife's fault.

My wife is also on antidepressants, which often have a negative effect on libido. Various attempts have been made over the years to cut down on these, or switch to different drugs, but none of these attempts have been successful. Again, this is quite obviously not my wife's fault.

Over the years, the passion disappeared completely, the intimacy went mostly the same way, and even the affection dropped off dramatically. But this is all one way - I still love my wife passionately, would love to share intimacy, and am always affectionate.

Around 2 years ago, my wife went around the world to visit a couple of her friends for a couple of weeks, while I stayed home with the children. When she returned, I quite by chance discovered a facebook message from one of the friends she was staying with, making suggestions about how to explore the possibility that she might be gay. Following this, I went into her email, and found several emails between her and her friends discussing the issue, and it transpired that she had had feelings for women since before she met me, had shared a kiss with one of her friends while on holiday (which was apparently "wonderful" - much better than kissing me!), no longer felt attracted to me and so on. It felt like my world had come to an end. I confronted her about it, and I said that I didn't care if she had feelings for women as long as she still wanted to be with me. She played down a number of the things she had said in her emails as resulting from her feeling very emotional at the time, but at the very least there was a grain of truth to it all.

There followed several months of marriage counselling and sex therapy, which gave a temporary improvement - on 2 or 3 occasions we actually had mutually passionate encounters. She spent some effort with the counsellor exploring the gay issue, without concrete resolution, but with a general resolution that she was probably bisexual. However, sometime after this I (also accidentally) discovered that she had been to see an woman for an erotic massage - again with the view to explore how she felt about women. She never owned up to this, even when I hinted that I might know! I didn't feel particularly betrayed by this, but I did feel a little hurt that she didn't tell me about it.

Lets step aside from the negative for a moment. My wife and I have always considered ourselves to be soul mates, have shared many adventures, share a sense of humour, enjoy each others company even now after all that has happened, and are a good team bringing up our children. There is no-one on the planet I would rather spend time with than her, and she says (sex and intimacy issues aside) that she loves me and wants to be with me.

So why have I strayed?

A few months ago, I once again brought up the fact that the physical side of our relationship (I don't just mean sex, I mean kissing and other forms of intimacy) had regressed to how it was before the sex therapy. That is, she wouldn't kiss me beyond a peck on the lips, didn't like me touching her intimately, wouldn't let me perform oral sex on her, and clearly hated having sex when we did occasionally do it. In short, she did not wish to do anything beyond holding hands or (clothed) hugging. She was upset talking about it (as indeed was I), but couldn't see a solution - and even suggested I go and use a prostitute (I'm not sure whether she was serious or not, but that is not something I would want to do anyway).

At the time, I felt this was the end of the line. Both of us had done so much over the years to try to improve things, but there didn't seem to be anywhere to go. I considered leaving her, but couldn't bear to be without her (as I said, I do still love her intensely - although some reading this might deem that to be inconsistent with my decision to be unfaithful), or to risk distancing myself from my children, or to destroy our wonderful family. But on the other hand, I felt I couldn't continue as things were and with no hope of improvement (in the past I had always held on to the hope that, one day, things might improve) - and I therefore looked on the Internet to see if I could meet someone for no-strings-attached sex.

Randomly, I did. We messaged frequently, phoned most days, got on well, met up a couple of times without having sex, and have since met up a few times resulting in kissing, sex and general companionship. She is single, and claims to have - rather unfortunately - fallen in love with me despite the short time we have known each other and the fact that she too had been looking in the first instance just for sex. And I have to admit that I have developed some feelings for her too - although perhaps only as a result of the physical intimacy, and those feelings are still a pale imitation of what I feel for my wife.

So, there you have it - as I said, I'm cheating on my wife. Does this make me a bad person? I'm afraid I think it probably does - which is a complete departure from the relatively virtuous life I've lived up until this point. How do I feel about it? I feel desperately guilty, unworthy of my wife, but at the same time having someone actually express love and desire for me - both verbally and physically, feels both intoxicating and life-breathing after all this time.

What should I do? I guess I should end the affair now - as gently as possible for the woman I've been seeing. I guess I should tell my wife what I have done, and let her do with that knowledge what she will. I guess I should tell her too that I love her. I guess that if my wife should choose to forgive me, that I should try to accept a life without intimacy and passion, and count my blessings for what I do have with her.

What will I do? I'm afraid I have no idea.

OP posts:
DiamondoInTheSky · 24/09/2015 03:18

Does this make me a bad person?

Go away.

Are you hoping she'll read this?

Maryz · 24/09/2015 03:20

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

BumWad · 24/09/2015 03:24

Sounds like I'm reading a book or an article? So, so many on MN! Surely not just me? Confused

Biscuit
PushingThru · 24/09/2015 03:29

Your wife's gay & you're hoping she'll find out about your carryings on with other women to force an emotional response & some honesty from her.

badgeroncaffeine · 24/09/2015 03:41

You won't get many sensible replies here I'm afraid. If you'd been a woman in the same situation it would be different, of course.

DiamondoInTheSky · 24/09/2015 04:02

That's a goady post badger, as well you know.

badgeroncaffeine · 24/09/2015 04:52

If speaking the truth "goads" anyone, I couldn't care less.

LeaveMyWingsBehindMe · 24/09/2015 04:53

End the affair - she has become far more emotionally invested in it than you so it's not fair to string her along and it could go very badly wrong for you if it all gets out of hand. She's single yet she went on a no-strings sex site and yet after 5 minutes she claims she's fallen in love? She sounds needy and if she gets desperate to hold on to you she might contact your wife or even get pregnant - then what?

Tell your wife. Chances are she won't be that surprised. Chances are she won't even care, (especially if she does feel strongly that she is gay) so long as you are discreet and don't fall in love and it means you stop begging her for sex, she might be quite pragmatic about the whole thing.

Or not. In which case it will force a conversation about what is going on in your marriage and whether it's worth continuing. You sound very happy generally, apart from the lack of intimacy, but is she? Is the feeling that she might be gay starting to become an obsession for her that stops her feeling fulfilled in her marriage to you? Or is that a red herring and has she just got a very low libido and no particular desire to do anything about it? In which case, if that situation/attitude is untenable for you in the long term then you will have to make a decision about what's more important to you.

You can't force a situation where your wife willingly wants to have sex and enjoy sex with you, so you need to look at the two options you do have.
Sex and intimacy with someone else, or your wife's companionship and the chance to stay in the family home with your children.

robthroop · 24/09/2015 05:40

I agree that you've got to end the affair and tell your wife, whatever the reaction. Lying and running around behind your wife's back will only damage you and the relationship further, and could jeopardise your relationship with your kids.

I would also leave your wife, it sounds unbearable for both of you. Although, who knows, maybe you could both take lovers and be happy together.

RedMapleLeaf · 24/09/2015 06:08

Do you think your wife might be on this site?

( Do you really have sex when you know that the other person is hating it?).

TheDowagerCuntess · 24/09/2015 06:14

Gosh, you guys just need to break up surely, and move on. There doesn't seem to be any benefit in continuing to force this round peg into a very square hole.

Iggly · 24/09/2015 06:17

I think, taking your post at face value, that you and your wife are in a marriage which needs to end.

Do I think you're bad? No, I think you're human. In those circumstances, youve tried.

Taking the logic that is applied to many men on this board, I bet she's only told you as much as she thinks she can get away with. And there's more that you don't know.

You shouldnt have had an affair but I can see why you did.

LeaveMyWingsBehindMe · 24/09/2015 06:25

I disagree that they are in a marriage that needs to end necessarily. That surely needs to be up to them to diagnose. There is no abuse or violence or raging arguments that damage the children by the sounds of things, just mismatched libidos and the OP needs more affection and intimacy than his wife.

Those things alone are not a reason to throw away a whole marriage, if everything else is good. Compromises can and are made on sex and intimacy all the time. Only when the situation cannot be fixed by compromise and one person can no longer stand it does the marriage need to end. The OP doesn't sound like he's there yet. He loves his wife. the question is, does she love him, or is she just treading water because it's easy?

rockabillyruby82 · 24/09/2015 06:35

You're a coward! You say you love your wife but you have done the worst thing possible and in the worst way possible. It may be a bit more forgiving if you had slept with a woman you knew or had met and found attractive but instead you were seedy and scummy and went on a website for 'hook ups'
You have zero respect for her and now you've done the deed you come on here for answers you already have? Yes you tell her you despicable man and then you leave. Why end the affair? You've allowed another woman to fall in love with you so you can get your leg over and now you're going to dump her? Disgusting!
What you should have done is talk to your wife. Maybe she has been pushing you away, maybe she knew doing so would result in you having an affair, maybe she is homosexual. None of these excuse what you have done. You could have had a healthy break up, it won't be now. Your kids will know someday.
What's done is done, I hope your wife is more understanding than what I would be.

PeaceOfWildThings · 24/09/2015 06:38

Divorce.

Thebirdsneedseeds · 24/09/2015 07:07

Tbh I'm not sure your wife will care. She suggested you sleep with a prostitute...

Youve both been unfaithful to each other. It's just a case of whether or not you can both tolerate it. Be honest with her. You've some major issues to sort out.

It's time you both your cards on the table and decided what to do for the best for your children (oh yes and your very important sex lives).

donajimena · 24/09/2015 07:10

What iggly said. Taking this post at face value I would have said the same.
I also agree with badger you won't get much help here.
Sometimes people can love each other very much but it doesn't mean they should stay together.

JimmyChoosChimichanga · 24/09/2015 07:10

Surely this is a case where you must have a frank conversation (which includes telling her you know about the massage) where you BOTH decide what to do. There is a chance you can stay married because you obviously love each other but it is an open marriage whereby you both get what you need outside the marriage because each other is not providing it. I would suspect that this would suit you both as you have the stability and familiarity of each other but get to 'express yourselves' too. Unless you want to leave of course. I am friends with two couples where this sort of arrangement applies but they still sit down to eat toast and read the paper together and get on great as it is an agreed arrangement. Both couples will grow old together, I have no doubt of that. You can both only move forward with honesty as a base.

hebihebi · 24/09/2015 07:16

I don't think you are bad but it does sound like you are flogging a dead horse.

Does your wife actually want to be married to you? Do you want to be in a loveless marriage?

What are you afraid of if you split up?

spanisharmada · 24/09/2015 07:19

I don't see anything seedy about looking on line for no strings hook ups if that's what you were after Hmm but you do need to end the affair now she has developed feelings for you.

Lagoonablue · 24/09/2015 07:49

I am sorry you are getting such a hard time. You asked for advice. Some of it has been good.

My view FWIW is that there is nowhere to go. You could decide to continue to co parent and stay friends while pursuing other relationships. There does not seem to be another future for both of you together.

I don't think you are bad for seeking sex elsewhere. However I think it must now be the catalyst for your marriage to end.

RedMapleLeaf · 24/09/2015 08:12

I also agree with badger you won't get much help here.

He seems to be getting a lot of supportive advice so far Confused

BathtimeFunkster · 24/09/2015 08:12

I think your wife already gave you permission to seek sex outside your marriage.

You need to end this affair because the woman you are sleeping with has got emotionally involved.

But otherwise, if you and your wife want a sexless (with each other) marriage, then that's up to you.

I don't think your wife would want to know about this affair.

something2say · 24/09/2015 08:18

I would split up with my partner under the circumstance you describe. There's no sex and she may be gay.

Split and become friends. You can either tell her you've been cheating or not, but I would probably take concrete step to stop doing it starting right now. You sound as tho your self esteem and behaviour are taking a knock a a result of this tension, so break out of it it ASAP.

Good luck

hellsbellsmelons · 24/09/2015 08:24

Can you discuss having a open relationship with your wife?
Give her a chance to explore her sexuality and decide what she wants.
This can't be happy or healthy for either of you.
Maybe just live together as friends, co-parent your children and be free to have other intimate relationships.
I have a feeling she would be open to this.
But, for the love of god, talk to her about all this.
You may find you can continue with your affair and still have a 'friend/parent' relationship with your wife.
Worth a try surely?

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