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I've cheated on my wife - what now?

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usuallyconfused · 24/09/2015 03:16

OK, the title says it all, but lets step back in time a bit...

I met my wife about 13 years ago, when we were both in our early twenties. Each of us had had just one serious relationship prior to that. Things were fantastic - we got on really well, we were very affectionate, quite intimate, and a bit passionate. We had regular (2 or 3 times a week) sex, and we fell in love. A year later we got engaged, and 18 months after that we were married. A few months later we had our first child, and two more followed over the next 5 years. Our youngest is now 5.

Like many couples, our sex life had diminished somewhat even before marriage, but I was still quite happy with how things were up to that point.

The first birth was not a good experience - it was traumatic for my wife, and she had to be cut during childbirth to get our daughter out safely. The damage caused by that has resulted in my wife experiencing some pain during sex ever since (with some improvements due to subsequent surgery and treatment coming later). This is quite obviously not my wife's fault.

My wife is also on antidepressants, which often have a negative effect on libido. Various attempts have been made over the years to cut down on these, or switch to different drugs, but none of these attempts have been successful. Again, this is quite obviously not my wife's fault.

Over the years, the passion disappeared completely, the intimacy went mostly the same way, and even the affection dropped off dramatically. But this is all one way - I still love my wife passionately, would love to share intimacy, and am always affectionate.

Around 2 years ago, my wife went around the world to visit a couple of her friends for a couple of weeks, while I stayed home with the children. When she returned, I quite by chance discovered a facebook message from one of the friends she was staying with, making suggestions about how to explore the possibility that she might be gay. Following this, I went into her email, and found several emails between her and her friends discussing the issue, and it transpired that she had had feelings for women since before she met me, had shared a kiss with one of her friends while on holiday (which was apparently "wonderful" - much better than kissing me!), no longer felt attracted to me and so on. It felt like my world had come to an end. I confronted her about it, and I said that I didn't care if she had feelings for women as long as she still wanted to be with me. She played down a number of the things she had said in her emails as resulting from her feeling very emotional at the time, but at the very least there was a grain of truth to it all.

There followed several months of marriage counselling and sex therapy, which gave a temporary improvement - on 2 or 3 occasions we actually had mutually passionate encounters. She spent some effort with the counsellor exploring the gay issue, without concrete resolution, but with a general resolution that she was probably bisexual. However, sometime after this I (also accidentally) discovered that she had been to see an woman for an erotic massage - again with the view to explore how she felt about women. She never owned up to this, even when I hinted that I might know! I didn't feel particularly betrayed by this, but I did feel a little hurt that she didn't tell me about it.

Lets step aside from the negative for a moment. My wife and I have always considered ourselves to be soul mates, have shared many adventures, share a sense of humour, enjoy each others company even now after all that has happened, and are a good team bringing up our children. There is no-one on the planet I would rather spend time with than her, and she says (sex and intimacy issues aside) that she loves me and wants to be with me.

So why have I strayed?

A few months ago, I once again brought up the fact that the physical side of our relationship (I don't just mean sex, I mean kissing and other forms of intimacy) had regressed to how it was before the sex therapy. That is, she wouldn't kiss me beyond a peck on the lips, didn't like me touching her intimately, wouldn't let me perform oral sex on her, and clearly hated having sex when we did occasionally do it. In short, she did not wish to do anything beyond holding hands or (clothed) hugging. She was upset talking about it (as indeed was I), but couldn't see a solution - and even suggested I go and use a prostitute (I'm not sure whether she was serious or not, but that is not something I would want to do anyway).

At the time, I felt this was the end of the line. Both of us had done so much over the years to try to improve things, but there didn't seem to be anywhere to go. I considered leaving her, but couldn't bear to be without her (as I said, I do still love her intensely - although some reading this might deem that to be inconsistent with my decision to be unfaithful), or to risk distancing myself from my children, or to destroy our wonderful family. But on the other hand, I felt I couldn't continue as things were and with no hope of improvement (in the past I had always held on to the hope that, one day, things might improve) - and I therefore looked on the Internet to see if I could meet someone for no-strings-attached sex.

Randomly, I did. We messaged frequently, phoned most days, got on well, met up a couple of times without having sex, and have since met up a few times resulting in kissing, sex and general companionship. She is single, and claims to have - rather unfortunately - fallen in love with me despite the short time we have known each other and the fact that she too had been looking in the first instance just for sex. And I have to admit that I have developed some feelings for her too - although perhaps only as a result of the physical intimacy, and those feelings are still a pale imitation of what I feel for my wife.

So, there you have it - as I said, I'm cheating on my wife. Does this make me a bad person? I'm afraid I think it probably does - which is a complete departure from the relatively virtuous life I've lived up until this point. How do I feel about it? I feel desperately guilty, unworthy of my wife, but at the same time having someone actually express love and desire for me - both verbally and physically, feels both intoxicating and life-breathing after all this time.

What should I do? I guess I should end the affair now - as gently as possible for the woman I've been seeing. I guess I should tell my wife what I have done, and let her do with that knowledge what she will. I guess I should tell her too that I love her. I guess that if my wife should choose to forgive me, that I should try to accept a life without intimacy and passion, and count my blessings for what I do have with her.

What will I do? I'm afraid I have no idea.

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BoreOfWhabylon · 24/09/2015 08:48

Oakmaiden · 24/09/2015 08:54

You need to discuss this and be open. I personally think that sex is not a vital component of marriage - but I think trust is. So you need to be able to discuss clearly how you feel and how you see your marriage going on from here. And you need to allow your wife to do the same. If your both want to remain married and carrying on as now then you can work out your boundaries together, if one of you doesn't, then I'm afraid then that is the end.

Frecklesandspecs · 24/09/2015 08:55

You both know where this is going. Maybe you are both just scared of pulling the plug and once the plug is pulled you will both heave a sigh of relief.

jumperoo1940 · 24/09/2015 09:00

I don't condone what you've done, but like others I can see why it happened. In all honesty I think you'd be happier if you separated. Chances are you will both move on fairly quickly to find partners you are better suited to.

For now though, end the affair. She is more invested in the relationship than you are and it will either end in tears or a pregnancy. On that front, if you won't end it take responsibility for contraception.

Isetan · 24/09/2015 09:08

I think you're so attached to the 'soul mates' description of your relationship, that you're failing to acknowledge the impact and severity of the deceit (by both parties) to your marriage. You're hanging on for what was and not what is.

Your marriage as you wanted it to be is over, Sex is important to you but your wife wants intimacy with women and not with you and that doesn't look like it's changing anytime soon.

For your children's sake, you and your wife need to be honest and open with each other, before this slow car crash reaches its climax and devastates your kids.

BathtimeFunkster · 24/09/2015 09:22

My wife and I have always considered ourselves to be soul mates, have shared many adventures, share a sense of humour, enjoy each others company even now after all that has happened, and are a good team bringing up our children.

Preserve this at all costs.

I don't think the road you are heading down is going to protect what really matters here.

I think you can probably have extra-marital flings and stay devoted to your wife.

I think she is on her way out of the marriage and will eventually leave you for a woman, when she's ready.

I think there is a very strong chance she will really hurt you. She's already cheating.

Rather than let your marriage end acrimoniously, I think you should go to couples counselling with a view to splitting well.

You can still be great friends and co-parents without continuing in this marriage that is making you both so unhappy.

Your wife should end it. But she's not brave enough now. The last act of love in your marriage might be to end it.

shovetheholly · 24/09/2015 09:24

Why can't you and your wife be really good friends? That sounds like your relationship, to be honest - that you get on like a house on fire, but there just isn't a sexual spark.

You can then both explore sex with other people - of whatever gender!

Patchworkpatty · 24/09/2015 09:34

I see absolutely no reason why you can't carry on seeing this woman, if you want to, if it isn't to emotionally involved for you. The only essential is that you tell your wife as much as she wants to know. I have a friend like this, only the other way around. He is gay and jumps like electrocuted if she does so much as attempt to touch him in anyway but hand holding and clothed hugs, yet they are best mates and great parents. She couldn't live without sex, but didn't want him to be forced into weekend parenting/living apart from kids. She met someone, like you, on the web -no strings was the plan. Huge guilt etc etc, told her husband - he was thrilled and relieved. Other man lives alone, she stays over a couple of nights a week, kids are getting older and the plan is to move in full time when kids leave home (couple of years) Husband has partner also. Kids think it's normal, been like this since youngest was 3, now 17. They all get on. - as far as I can tell. When it all happened I remember all the angst and guilt she felt, what she hadn't appreciated was how guilt ridden her husband had felt , in forcing her into a sexless marriage because of his changed sexual orientation. My vote is tell her. You maybe pleasantly surprised. However if she is not willing to have an open marriage and I think you have tried everything, then you will have to call it a day. You should not be obliged to stay in a sexless marriage if you don't want to.

Oakmaiden · 24/09/2015 09:39

"I love you, and I love being married to you, but I don't want to live without sex and I don't want to pressure you into having sex when I can tell you don't really want to. So what can we do?"

Cherrybakewells1 · 24/09/2015 09:48

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Fratelli · 24/09/2015 09:53

I agree that you are a coward. It is cowardly to have an affair rather than talk about the issues in the marriage. There's no excuse for your behaviour. Just like there's no excuse for your wife kissing someone else. I must say what you have done is disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourself. It wasn't something that just happened, you actively went looking for someone to cheat with.

I think you should break off the affair and speak to your wife. I think it would be best to end the marriage and be friends and co parent and be single for a while. I think you're both in love with the relationship you had before to be honest.

BathtimeFunkster · 24/09/2015 09:56

I see absolutely no reason why you can't carry on seeing this woman, if you want to, if it isn't to emotionally involved for you.

How about because the woman is a person who has developed feelings for him and it's not nice to use people and hurt them?

PlopsyWhopsy · 24/09/2015 09:57

Tell your wife, consider an open marriage (and the effect in children) living together as friends, remaining friends or just divorcing. I wouldn't want to be with a man who wanted to have sex with me knowing it was painful, perhaps that is why she is looking to women. If she is gay your marriage is not going to work and you will both be happier out of it

magoria · 24/09/2015 10:08

If you want to stay with your wife talk to her about an open relationship.

Leave the lady you are having an affair with if you want to stay married. It is not fair on her if she has feelings.

If your wife doesn't want an open relationship you need to consider separation as you and your wife no longer agree on what it should be.

usuallyconfused · 24/09/2015 11:37

Thank you everyone for your support and advice. Quite some diversity of opinion, but at least I've got some outside perspective now.

I'm going to end the affair, own up to my wife, and see what she wants to do.

Thanks again.

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PeaceOfWildThings · 24/09/2015 11:41

That sounda like a way forward and a way to being rhe person you want to be, allowing your wife to be who she wants to be.

Having read the other posts here, considering an 'open' marriage might be an option, but feelings for others will develop.

RedMapleLeaf · 24/09/2015 12:03

I think that's the right way forward OP and requires not a little courage.

Gabilan · 24/09/2015 13:06

"How about because the woman is a person who has developed feelings for him and it's not nice to use people and hurt them?"

This, really. It's all very well saying "oh, discuss an open marriage" but contrary to popular belief, there aren't actually that many people who want to be the third wheel in a marriage and who can do so without developing feelings for the other person. If you do discuss an open marriage OP bear in mind that at that point it will not just be about you and your wife - you risk hurting other people too.

LeaveMyWingsBehindMe · 24/09/2015 13:11

I agree that you are a coward. It is cowardly to have an affair rather than talk about the issues in the marriage.

er…I think you'll find he already tried that. They went to counselling, she told him to get a prostitute. Confused

LeaveMyWingsBehindMe · 24/09/2015 13:11

And has been going for erotic massages to explore her possible bisexuality or lesbianism.

Cherrybakewells1 · 24/09/2015 13:33

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RedMapleLeaf · 24/09/2015 14:17

As a pp has said pain could be the reason she has gone off sex and why she is thinking about being with women who don't have a penis to cause her further pain.

Or it could be that she's just gone off having sex with him because it's difficult to find someone attractive when he has sex with despite knowing you hate it.

pocketsaviour · 24/09/2015 14:25

I feel like I've fallen into a parallel universe here; did everyone except me and leave miss the fact that the wife here has been seeing a sex worker?

TBH OP I think your marriage is over in all but name. I think it would be better for you both to be living apart (or even house-sharing, but separately) and remaining good friends and great co-parents, than to be struggling on becoming increasingly bitter about each other.

I would be more sympathetic to your wife's physical problems with sex if she wasn't banging prostitutes and snogging friends. I think her "admission" of bisexuality is probably what the LGBT community frequently refers to as "Bi now, gay later" - it's a stepping stone to properly coming out.

If I was with a partner who basically said "I find the idea of sex with you so gross that I would rather you hired a sex worker" - I couldn't live like that. It would erode my confidence and self-esteem. If I'm with someone, I need to know that they cherish and value my sexuality as an intrinsic part of me (and vice versa, of course.)

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Lweji · 24/09/2015 14:42

Considering your update, I hope you do manage to talk about all these issues properly.

I think it's one thing to go for counselling with a view to preserve the marriage and improve your sex life, or go to counselling to figure out if you want to be in a relationship and what kind of relationship. As others have mentioned, people manage to be happy in all different sorts of relationships, but the most important thing is that you manage to be honest with each other and communicate your feelings.