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A typical argument of ours....

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stepdad85 · 23/09/2015 10:32

I'm looking for perspective on a reoccurring argument which is affecting our relationship. In short my girlfriend has the occasional off day, she comes home from work tired, stressed and not in a good mood. I end up getting wound up because I feel like nothing I can do is right once she's in this mood, she takes it out on me and we end up arguing.

Example, I come in from work at 9pm last night, I had also worked a long day and was feeling tired. I showed my partner some holidays I'd put in at work which she'd asked me to take to help look after my stepson, I mistakenly requested a couple of wrong days and straight away she was annoyed, I apologized and told her it's no problem I'll change them tomorrow. We sat at the kitchen table, ate dinner and she said she wanted to stay in the kitchen for 5 minutes to chill afterwards, my stepson then come into the room, he had been put to bed earlier but he doesn't always stay in bed so my partner picked him up and went upstairs to tuck him back in. I moved into the living room and started browsing the internet on my phone. When my partner came downstairs she was clearly annoyed at me, sat on the other end of the settee and got her phone out. I asked her if she wanted to sit next to me, she said no, asked if anything was wrong and again she said no. I moved over towards her told her I missed her and she became angry again, said "so its ok for you to be on your phone but I can't go on mine?", again I let this snotty comment pass and we decided to go to bed.

Once upstairs I asked what she would like to watch "I'm not bothered" was the reply, so I picked. She rolled over and started to fall asleep, without so much as a "goodnight". I still cuddled her and kissed her goodnight then eventually after no affection or attention from her at all I stopped cuddling and watched the TV, by this point I was pretty annoyed also.

We wake up this morning and she's still in a bad mood, I try to snap her out of it to no avail and in the end I say "whats up with you?" to which she goes on a rant about me adding to her stress when shes had a bad day, she says she feels like she can't come home tired because I've made her feel like being tired is not allowed and that basically this whole thing is my fault because it's normal to have a bad day. I tried to explain I couldn't care a less about her being tired but I'm not happy to be spoken to like a piece of crap and have her take her moods out on me and then she left to go to work, again in a mood.

The details may differ but the same situation occurs over and over, she comes home in a bad mood, takes it out on me then gets more annoyed when I ask her to treat me with a little respect and consider my feelings. I understand she has a busy and stressful life but I'm starting to feel like my feelings don't matter and she makes me feel wrong for having them. I often get called selfish when trying to explain things.

Sometimes I feel like I'm in a one sided relationship, only here to please her and fill her needs, this is really starting to bother me. I've explained this to her and she says she often feels the same.

What can be done to help in future situations like this? Am I being a bit over the top and exaggerating things? It's so hard because I try to keep my mouth shut to prevent an argument but eventually I loose my cool.

Most of the time thing's are great but every now and again it's like someone has replaced my girlfriend with a completely different person I don't know or understand.

OP posts:
FredaMayor · 23/09/2015 10:42

OP, have you asked your GF what she thinks the cause of her moodiness is? Does she hate her job? Keep a dialogue going between the two of you and also leave all technology out of the bedroom, IME you won't regret it.

Chairmanofthebored · 23/09/2015 11:02

I am speaking as someone who can be a real cow to dh when I've had a stressful day, however my dh is very vocal about his dislike of being spoken to like a piece of shit!
Really, the only answer to this is, with both parties to sit down together and talk it through. You need to ask arrange a time when you can both sit down uninterrupted. You then need to each give the other time to say what they see the problem to be without interruptions from the other (this is vital!) Then try to come up with some solutions round it. For example it might just be that you need to agree to give her 10 mins alone when she gets home in a foul mood. Just remember to be open minded and show empathy.
Reocurring arguments reoccur because a solution has not been found! Good luck!

hellsbellsmelons · 23/09/2015 11:07

How often does this occur?
Is it maybe once a month? Every 4 weeks?
I only ask because some women can have horrendous mood swings with periods. They really can affect some women greatly.
I don't suggest for a moment you ask your GF this but make a note and see if there is a pattern.
If there is then you know when to tread more carefully.
If it's just random then could you maybe seek some outside counselling together?
I would usually say life is too short for this but you say it's good most of the time. So it's got to be worth working on in the first instant.

Crosbybeach · 23/09/2015 11:09

When my OH gets home in a foul mood he'll take himself off upstairs with a mag to the bog for 20 minutes - we both get peace! If I'm in a foul mood I'll go off for a walk.

Also we are both crap when hungry so eating at 9 would be both of us raging!

I think talking when you are both relaxed would be a good idea - but you have to let the other person have their say and acknowledge that.

LineyReborn · 23/09/2015 11:13

I get occasional hormonal rage, but only if I'm Also tired or stressed and I feel like someone's taking the piss.

I don't get it if I'm on my own.

Justaboy · 23/09/2015 11:18

Chairmanofthebored Recurring arguments, yep about right. Been there got the earbend

stepdad85 !. Sure these days aren't PMT days that can go in slightly differing bursts than 28 day cycles. It may well not be the root cause but either way yore judy is surely moody. I think sometimes, preparing to be shot down in flames!, that this is the way with some girls they just get into a stonk and that's tough and there's sod all you can do except say yes dear, no dear, three bags full etc.

Sounds very much like my ex wife;(

as suggested you do need to talk to her and do that when shes in a good mood, when the time is right children out of the way perhaps take her out for the day, get her in a good mood surly that's possible;)

Then let her talk, let her go on and on as much as she likes DO NOT start argue with her that'll cause her to clam up and we won't be further forward as the chairman suggests if there might be some sort of procedure you can both agree to with mine it was best to leave her alone and let her stew for a while but that's not the best solution so as Winston Churchill used to say the jaw-jaw is better than war-war!

Good luck:)

TheOddity · 23/09/2015 11:21

I am that woman! I always feel so bad afterwards but the apology is a bit hollow really isn't it? I hate myself for it as well. I can only say that personally it is because my husband is the only person I can have a go at and know he will still forgive me the next day. I suffer from dreadful mood swings which are tied to my periods, but even now in pregnancy I am up and down. I try to be extra nice all the rest of the time but I think all the highs and lows do stress my very chilled and emotionally stable husband out. Things that have worked for us have been for him to recognize the mood, say something like "ok, I can see you need to be left alone right now", he then goes to play with our little one, gives me a break while I do something mindless like watch tv and usually after an hour by myself I have talked myself round. Any contact with people while I am in the stress zone is just like fuel to the fire honestly. Hoping someone comes along with better advice for you and me

ravenmum · 23/09/2015 11:25

I wonder if she might be expecting you to read between the lines and spot what she might think is obvious problems? (But which are not obvious to you?) I'm just making a stab in the dark based on this bit:

...said "so its ok for you to be on your phone but I can't go on mine?", again I let this snotty comment pass and we decided to go to bed.
Here, you must have left out a bit where she wanted to go on her phone but wasn't able to for some reason? Or did she mean that you might do bedtime and let her play on her phone?

Once upstairs I asked what she would like to watch "I'm not bothered" was the reply, so I picked.
I thought you'd agreed to go to bed? Maybe that's what she thought too, so was pissed off that you wanted to keep the TV on when she was tired? Could that comment be a passive-aggressive moan?

She rolled over and started to fall asleep, without so much as a "goodnight". I still cuddled her and kissed her goodnight then eventually after no affection or attention from her at all...
She was tired and going to sleep, why would you expect affection and attention at that time?

Joysmum · 23/09/2015 11:27

We all get times like that. The thing to do is discuss what you can both do for each other when you both have bad days.

My DH prefers a huge hug and to talk about it he day when he first gets home, then to go up and sit on the loo, shower and a quick lie down with the cats before coming back down to sit with us quietly with the Telly on and on his phone.

I on the other hand prefer to be on my own, have a bath and not have to look at or speak to anyone else until I come out again! At which point I'll have a long hug and snuggle up.

We both know each other well enough to spot the pattern. We both also know we don't deliberately get arsey or turn it into a pudding competition as to who's had the worse day if we both have!

You need to have your chat when you're both in a good mood to plan how best to cope on the crap days. It makes life a whole lot easier if you know in advance.

ravenmum · 23/09/2015 11:27

In other words, maybe she is bad at telling you what's bothering her because she thinks it's obvious, when it isn't? Maybe she uses passive aggression, which you're not familiar with?

pocketsaviour · 23/09/2015 11:28

again I let this snotty comment pass

Probably a good idea since she was 100% accurate, wasn't she?

If I came home tired and stressed and you tried to make my bad day all about your feelings I would be fucked off too. I would be really fucked off if you could see I needed space and alone time and insisted on huddling next to me on the settee and trying to cuddle me in bed.

Justaboy · 23/09/2015 11:28

Really your his other half, or a woman who is like her?.

Either way at least there is some communication going on and the main problem can sometimes be that you don't either of you that is think there IS a problem. OK perhaps best to see your GP and perhaps someone can give you some counselling or advice in ways to null out the times that it does happen.

I'm a bit out of touch with anything you can do to treat this condition but I expect someone's got some advice somewhere even if it just takes the edge of it a bit might makes it tolerable fo the two of you and lets hope it remains the two of you:-)

GrandHighWitch · 23/09/2015 11:28

I find it amazing that in this instance the advice is to talk/listen or even tread more carefully if it turns out to be a hormonal problem. If the OP had been a woman complaining about her partner's mood swings in exactly the same way the thread would be filled with posts urging her to leave the emotionally bullying bastard....
This behaviour is emotionally abusive whoever delivers it. Stepdad - you have probably done nothing at all wrong here. What you do need to get to the bottom of is why she feels that behaving in such an unnecessarily nasty way is acceptable. Let her know how it makes you feel and be very sure to point out that she needs to verbalise her feelings rather than take them out on you.
If it transpires that your partner is hormonal that is not your problem, she needs to take steps to combat that and not use it as an excuse to behave badly. I am always amazed by women who feel they can cite their hormonal fluctuations are a valid excuse, that requires no apology, for being bitches.

hellsbellsmelons · 23/09/2015 11:35

Why is it amazing Grand?
It's a fact that some women really suffer hormonal issues and mood swings due to periods.
I am assuming OP is a man but maybe not. Men do NOT get periods or the hell that comes with them.
OP also stated it's only every now and then and all others times it's great.
We are trying to offer a womans point of view with mood swings etc.....

Justaboy · 23/09/2015 11:41

Don't have to hells bells I've had two long relationships where PMT played a very large part of that and yes!, the man does suffer as it boils over to affect him and the children!. Course it's how you deal with it that makes the difference.

Whatever you do do NOT, like a friend of mine once said to his wife, say to her "you wouldn't believe the mad crap you come up with sometimes. I'm going the bloody record it then you can hear what I have to put up with"!.

Scobberlotcher · 23/09/2015 11:49

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tootsalina · 23/09/2015 11:51

I can be like this too and it is hormonal.
I hate myself afterwards (usually when my period arrives) but when I'm like this it feels so rational and my poor DH takes a LOT of shit from me.
I'm currently taking vitamins (evening primrose, B6 and Agnus Castus) which are helping but not stopping it completely.
I went to the GP and they offered me antidepressants but I'm reluctant to start pill popping.

Twinklestein · 23/09/2015 12:00

I don't think it's hormonal I think she's just mardy.

Does she actually like you OP? It's hard to tell from your posts.

LucySnow12 · 23/09/2015 12:01

Seems to me there's not a lot of kindness shown between the two of you. Sometimes it can be easy to become detached and resentful. I think it would help you both if started to be more kind and generous to each other. I found this article helpful:

www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/06/happily-ever-after/372573/

Justaboy · 23/09/2015 12:12

LucySnow12

And i quote;!.

"Disaster" couples showed signs of being in fight-or-flight mode in their relationships. Having a conversation sitting next to their spouse was, to their bodies, like facing off with a saber-toothed tiger.

I think we can conclude that relationships are rather hard work;!.

tootsalina · 23/09/2015 12:21

My ex used to insist I sat next to him while I was on my phone so he could look over my shoulder and check what I was up to.

He also used to try and 'cuddle' when clearly didn't want to and put the telly on when I wanted to sleep.
But he was an abusive twat - I'm hoping the OP isn't like him!!

Joysmum · 23/09/2015 12:23

I totally agree with scobberlotcher

I had to explain to my DH too that it's ok to have had a shit day and just want quiet time.

He saw that as a negative thing until I pointed out he disappeared for quiet time too! He just didn't see it.

In the case in the OP she was clear she needed quiet time, she never got this for various reasons and was understandably narked because she'd made it clear by asking for help with the son and then wanting time to herself in another room she needed space.

Then the son comes down, she doesn't get the help with him and then doesn't get the quiet time when she'd finished with him.

It's obvious that's what the problem is here.

The OP has said its occasional. They just need to talk through their plan of action as to how to communicate space is needed and to give it.

GrandHighWitch · 23/09/2015 12:36

hellsbells I just don't think it is fair to expect partners to accept that during hormonal times they will be bearing the brunt of the mood swings. I have had horrific problems with my hormones and depression in the past but at no point have I expected my DH to serve as emotional punching bag. If I feel the crap rising up then I explain and take myself away until I feel I'm capable of being a nice person. All this "they don't understand my suffering" doesn't wash with me at all - we are all capable of controlling what comes out of our mouths and how we behave towards others.

Joysmum · 23/09/2015 12:40

we are all capable of controlling what comes out of our mouths and how we behave towards others

We are when our needs are being met. Whether it's hormones or just a bad day, if you or your partner has expressed a time and need for space then of course things will escalate if your wishes aren't met.

kittybiscuits · 23/09/2015 13:21

I think it's half a story. At most.

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