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A typical argument of ours....

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stepdad85 · 23/09/2015 10:32

I'm looking for perspective on a reoccurring argument which is affecting our relationship. In short my girlfriend has the occasional off day, she comes home from work tired, stressed and not in a good mood. I end up getting wound up because I feel like nothing I can do is right once she's in this mood, she takes it out on me and we end up arguing.

Example, I come in from work at 9pm last night, I had also worked a long day and was feeling tired. I showed my partner some holidays I'd put in at work which she'd asked me to take to help look after my stepson, I mistakenly requested a couple of wrong days and straight away she was annoyed, I apologized and told her it's no problem I'll change them tomorrow. We sat at the kitchen table, ate dinner and she said she wanted to stay in the kitchen for 5 minutes to chill afterwards, my stepson then come into the room, he had been put to bed earlier but he doesn't always stay in bed so my partner picked him up and went upstairs to tuck him back in. I moved into the living room and started browsing the internet on my phone. When my partner came downstairs she was clearly annoyed at me, sat on the other end of the settee and got her phone out. I asked her if she wanted to sit next to me, she said no, asked if anything was wrong and again she said no. I moved over towards her told her I missed her and she became angry again, said "so its ok for you to be on your phone but I can't go on mine?", again I let this snotty comment pass and we decided to go to bed.

Once upstairs I asked what she would like to watch "I'm not bothered" was the reply, so I picked. She rolled over and started to fall asleep, without so much as a "goodnight". I still cuddled her and kissed her goodnight then eventually after no affection or attention from her at all I stopped cuddling and watched the TV, by this point I was pretty annoyed also.

We wake up this morning and she's still in a bad mood, I try to snap her out of it to no avail and in the end I say "whats up with you?" to which she goes on a rant about me adding to her stress when shes had a bad day, she says she feels like she can't come home tired because I've made her feel like being tired is not allowed and that basically this whole thing is my fault because it's normal to have a bad day. I tried to explain I couldn't care a less about her being tired but I'm not happy to be spoken to like a piece of crap and have her take her moods out on me and then she left to go to work, again in a mood.

The details may differ but the same situation occurs over and over, she comes home in a bad mood, takes it out on me then gets more annoyed when I ask her to treat me with a little respect and consider my feelings. I understand she has a busy and stressful life but I'm starting to feel like my feelings don't matter and she makes me feel wrong for having them. I often get called selfish when trying to explain things.

Sometimes I feel like I'm in a one sided relationship, only here to please her and fill her needs, this is really starting to bother me. I've explained this to her and she says she often feels the same.

What can be done to help in future situations like this? Am I being a bit over the top and exaggerating things? It's so hard because I try to keep my mouth shut to prevent an argument but eventually I loose my cool.

Most of the time thing's are great but every now and again it's like someone has replaced my girlfriend with a completely different person I don't know or understand.

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Joysmum · 25/09/2015 21:53

No it him that's ridiculous. She needed down time and time by herself and he knew it but didn't back her up in that.

If you can't rely on your partner to help you on the tough days then that's got to be frustrating.

When my DH has a tough day, he gets what he needs, when I've had a tough day I get what I need. Both of us need different things to best cope and know each other well enough to have identified what that is and give it.

Surely our partners should be able to meet our needs.

The OP clearly hasn't worked out that if she says she needs help with her son and the opportunity to be alone, she actually wants help with her son and time alone!

essyol · 25/09/2015 22:47

You've posted on here before I think OP? I'll try and find the post that is so similar in tone and content.

essyol · 25/09/2015 22:48

I don't mean you shouldn't post more than once! Just that this thread really reminds me of another one ...

Sallystyle · 25/09/2015 23:11

I most certainly wouldn't be asking her if she wants to sit next to you etc when she is in a mood. I would just leave her to it, tell her you are there for her if she wants to talk but she doesn't get to take them out on you.

I am not sure why you are cuddling her and asking her to sit next to you when she is a mood? That would annoy me but I would simply communicate with my husband that in future if I'm in a mood I would rather be left right alone.

Next time she is in a mood, leave her to it, give her space and if she still continues to take it out on you then you know you have a big problem, but this might be solved by just leaving her completely alone and not trying to fix it.

It is annoying when you are in a mood and want time alone to have someone try to cheer you up.

I am not going to label her emotionally abusive or you controlling Hmm based on one small snippet of your lives. If you give her the space she needs and she then treats you like shit then yes, that is abuse, but I'm not seeing it right now. I think you are trying to fix her when she just wants to be left alone and that's a simple problem to fix.

NotQuiteSoOnEdge · 25/09/2015 23:23

I've found your posts quite interesting OP.

You say you try lots of things to resolve it. You say you 'can't win'.

What is it you want to win?

It sounds to me that you want her to stop being what she actually is, ie tired/moody/needing alone time. That her being like this is unacceptable to you, you want the 'nice' version that is focused on you instead, and you try tactics to get her to comply.

The bit where you said she was trying to sleep, and you cuddled and kissed her when her body language said leave me alone, makes me feel sick. You got 'annoyed' at her lack of attention and affection? Are you saying that you got pissed off because you wanted sex and she didn't give it to you??

You have just described my abusive ex to a tee. He too could never understand the problem. When she says 'I'm not allowed to be tired' she's telling you the truth!! You don't want to deal with the real her, and try to make it better, you just expect her to make it all vanish at your request so you get the evening you want with a happy, compliant partner.

PoundingTheStreets · 25/09/2015 23:28

One of the aspects that made me realise I needed to leave one of my past relationships was because I had just started to behave like this towards my then P. Fortunately, I had enough awareness to see it and to recognise that not only would I kill the relationship, I'd also kill any self-respect I had because of disliking my own behaviour. I ended things.

In my case, the reason I started behaving like that was because I was beyond tired from doing too much and beyond fed up at having to explain as if to a toddler about what needed doing in the house. I was working 50-hour weeks and doing the majority of the domestic stuff. A DP who would happily do what was asked was useless to me because I still had to think about what needed to be done, prioritise the tasks and then ask him to do it. This meant I would be planning a shopping list in the kitchen while he was playing on his phone, then when I would finally sit down when done, he wanted to get cuddly so that I had no time to just relax. Why couldn't he see what needed doing? He lived there just as much as me, ate as much food, used as much toilet roll, etc. Why was it my responsibility to think of everything? It made me lose all respect for him and I felt like I had another child, not a partner. Lack of responsibility towards equal shares (and most importantly equal thinking time about it) killed our relationship.

Now I'm not saying that's what's going on here, nor am I saying that it makes the GF's behaviour acceptable because it doesn't. GF has to learn to articulate what she feels and say so fairly and with respect, being prepared to leave if the situation can't be resolved to mutual satisfaction. However, I think it's food for thought as it applies in a lot of relationships where this sort of thing rears its head.

justcallmethefixer · 25/09/2015 23:41

You sound needy in your post, some days maybe she is all out of giving and wants left alone. The reaction to the phone thing could be in her mind that you gave time do do as you please but if she does the same you want a piece of her ( sit next to etc) and she feels resentful as she wants some time to just 'be' and not give to someone else

justcallmethefixer · 25/09/2015 23:50

It is exceedingly frustrating when it appears that a partner has not listened to you.

TheDowagerCuntess · 26/09/2015 05:16

I don't understand the 'you get to go on your phone, but I don't get to go on mine' comment.

HellKitty · 26/09/2015 06:27

She wanted to sit in the kitchen and chill for 5 minutes. Her DS came down and she went to put him back to bed. So she didn't have her chill time. You played on your phone, she came down, got her phone out and you asked if she'd sit next to you. So she didn't get her chill time then either.

You should have taken DS back to bed so she could have some time to herself.

In my old job I'd have to sit in the kitchen for half an hour after my shifts in total silence or watch some reality crap to decompress. My DP has a mini rant about work then has an hour's peace on the bed with the cats or he can't switch off.

Having 5/10/30/60 minutes of 'alone' time isn't a reflection on your relationship going tits up, it's desperately needed so work anger isn't taken out on the other.

anotherbloomingusername · 26/09/2015 06:55

Op, it sounds like she was giving off some clear signals that she was frustrated and wanted to be left alone-- that isn't the same as treating you like shit. She didn't shout, swear, call names or treat you in an abusive fashion. She indicated that she was angry. You were overriding her need for space with your need for reassurance.

Instead of focusing on her moods, it sounds like you need to deal with your own insecurity so she can withdraw when needed without you feeling rejected and chasing her.

MrsJackAubrey · 26/09/2015 10:01

www.mumsnet.com/.../2393957-My-wife-she-just-cannot-handle-any- criticism-big-nor-small-HELP

Things are pretty rough. I just cannot raise anything with my wife without her just getting angry and now I'm stuck to know what to do. It seems I either just shut up- no matter it is- or it will kick off. The former just doesn't seem like a sustainable way to live.

Mostly things that come up are just petty. For example, I hate being late. She is always late when we have to leave for things. That puts me in a grump; I know it does- and need to get perspective- but I also do not think these things are the end of the world. What makes these situations far worse is how she reacts. Then it becomes her angry reaction (that always happens) that we argue about the reaction, and not the tiny thing that initially caused it that becomes long forgotten.

Basically she flips and loses her temper every time I raise even the tiniest issue and things immediately switch and she says that she is the one hard fine by having to deal with this. It just puts me in a position where I cannot raise any issue with her or else she will just flip. She never quietly considers a point, reflects, try's to appreciate where someone else (i.e. me) is coming from. Her instinct is always to just get angry and go on the 'attack'- every time.

I do my best to remain calm in these instances, but she quickly raises her voice and slips into personal insults like calling me a 'prick ' - I'll admit, I resort to saying things back at times. I am not perfect- my patience is not infinite and I know this is damaging to our relationship. To be honest, I do this as I feel bullied. I am forever in these instances saying 'but I am the one whose is upset with something you have done- why are you shouting at me?'. I just don't understand. We do discuss this, but nothing changes.

She doesn't seem to see that she makes things more significant than really need to be by her angry reactions. Because I don't react this way in reverse, she also feels that I raise a lot if things with her and just fails to see that I am not more pedantic, I just am able to listen when things that she raises are said to me. They get quickly forgotten and aren't even remembered because I don't get angry- I take heed and listen. It's just when I am upset or frustrated with something, her reaction is so predictably extreme and aggressive that I think it becomes memorable. There is always an excuse. How I raise things; the things I raise etc - what is consistent is the angry reaction not seeing that I have tried everything. My one option that I feel I have is to just not say anything.

Let me explain how crazy this can be. On occasion, just recently, we were travelling in the car and playing a game to pass the time- 20 questions. My wife got frustrated, thought I was being patronising as she was having difficulty guessing who it was (I know- I cannot believe I am writing this!) and she said 'God you are a wanker'. I was a little stunned and calmly said, 'ok- I don't want to play anymore'. Because we were on a car journey, I couldn’t take time out to get away and collect my thoughts, so I just plugged in my ipod- all calmly. She did say why did I want to listen to my ipod, and I said I didn't want to just sit here in a her moody silence (yes- she got moody with me despite it being her calling me a personal comment) and I just wanted to zone out and relax. No shouting - all very calm. I was upset.

This ended up being a blazing argument - I just don't understand why a moment of reflection doesn't arrive where she calmly, genuinely says sorry and feels sorry for what she did. Instead she gets angry about the fact that I am upset/ annoyed with what she did.

Ultimately I keep saying to her that I am allowed to feel a certain way if things (big or small) happen and I want to be able to share that. I am want to feel like I am allowed to raise things if I feel a certain way, but these see not an attack. There's no need to react like this. I am on her team. But her constant anger is so tiring. I don't respect it. I feel like I have to walk constantly on egg shells and that I am unable to share anything without it being a blazing argument- big or small.

Its horrible."

MrsJackAubrey · 26/09/2015 10:03

my apologies if this seems inappropriate - but there is a lot of advice and views in that 'help' thread too that may help you

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