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Prostitution Should Be Legalised Because ‘Feminism Has Starved Men Of Sex’

56 replies

WhySoAngry · 06/08/2015 16:56

You've probably seen this. All over the media today.

uk.news.yahoo.com/think-tank-prostitution-legalised-because-115158735.html#U1BJDTL

I know it's not likely to be a popular viewpoint on MN, but I have to say there's some truth and what's being said.

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DrDre · 07/08/2015 09:00

I also thought prostitution was already legal - isn't it the soliciting side that is illegal?
I don't agree that feminism has starved men of sex. Social networking is far worse imo Smile

LurkingHusband · 07/08/2015 10:31

It's hard to find the mental effort to read anything whose title shows the authors don't know much about the subject.

Enoughalreadyyou · 07/08/2015 10:39

Bollocks. Makes the assumption that men are entitled to sex. Yawn.

Twinklestein · 07/08/2015 11:15

Hakim is an imbecile. Every time she opens her mouth I'm embarrassed for her.

SeasideSunshine · 07/08/2015 11:22

If prostitution is legal, does that mean that women will be expected by the job centre to use that as a job or get sanctioned if they are unemployed??

LurkingHusband · 07/08/2015 11:52

SeasideSunshine

If prostitution is legal, does that mean that women will be expected by the job centre to use that as a job or get sanctioned if they are unemployed??

I think that is a perfectly valid question, and one which highlights some of the hypocrisy in society generally.

On paper, the answer should be "yes". However, there have been a few "news" stories suggesting that job centres will not accept jobs from adult entertainment providers, nor expect people to apply for them.

Why not ? As the pp correctly points out, they're perfectly legal jobs. And if they are that bad, maybe they shouldn't be legal ? In addition, any prostitute who didn't pay their taxes would be in trouble with HMRC who are quite happy to make money from prostitution - something anyone else would be jailed for.

Incidentally, is relationships the best fit for this thread ? As opposed to In The News ?

IrianofWay · 07/08/2015 12:36

?

Really?

This must be a joke.

Offred · 07/08/2015 12:45

IMO he put it here and hasn't been back because he wanted to make a statement to the women on this board that society in general doesn't consider feminism to be a legitimate cause and that what we should go to our rooms and 'think abou what we have done'.

elementofsurprise · 07/08/2015 12:55

Do men want sex more than women?

Even if that's somehow been loosely studied, surely having to do the bulk of the housework, organise everything etc that tends to fall to women, means we're just knackered? Rather than some innate hormonal/biological difference.

elementofsurprise · 07/08/2015 13:09

LurkingHusband
There is a gap between "Jobs that people should be forced to do or have no income" and "Jobs that people can do if they want". I don't think anyone is forced to work in an abattoir either. Afaik the DWP/jobcentre will advertise these jobs but no-one has to apply for them.

LurkingHusband · 07/08/2015 13:20

There is a gap between "Jobs that people should be forced to do or have no income" and "Jobs that people can do if they want".

Not on workfare there isn't. I give you Cait Reilly as proof.

rouxlebandit · 07/08/2015 14:11

AFAIK prostitution is already legal. It's illegal to run a brothel unless there's only one WG working at any one time. It's illlegal to solicit clients on the street.
There's a lot of ignorance among members on here about what actually happens between a WG and the client. I can't remember the exact words or find the quote but someone described it as a cold, soulless, quick shag. If that's what a WG offered she would not be in business for long!

rouxlebandit · 07/08/2015 14:17

Enoughalreadyyou
Bollocks. Makes the assumption that men are entitled to sex. Yawn.

There are female punters as well.

WhySoAngry · 07/08/2015 14:29

Nice to know you've been missing me, Offred, but please don't go putting words into my mouth again.

I did not seek to make a statement to the women on this board that society in general doesn't consider feminism to be a legitimate cause.

I have no idea whether society does or doesn't consider feminism to be a legitimate cause. And I was not seeking to make any statement to the women on this board about it. For the avoidance of doubt, I, personally, do consider feminism to be a legitimate cause.

My aim in posting was to draw attention to another view on prostitution - a topic which comes up with some frequency on Mumsnet. It's no surprise to me that Dr Hakim's views have been dismissed out of hand and those who visit prostitutes labelled unattractive, misogynistic and arseholes.

Yet many women post on here saying their husbands and partners want more sex than they do - which provides support for D Hakim's premise. If men were free to satisfy their needs by visiting a professional, in a regulated environment, with health checks etc, it would reduce a lot of the sexual conflict experienced by couples.

I know this isn't a popular view - but that doesn't mean it's not a valid opinion.

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LurkingHusband · 07/08/2015 14:39

Yet many women and men post on here saying their husbands and partners want more sex than they do

Fixed that for you.

rouxlebandit · 07/08/2015 14:43

"If men were free to satisfy their needs by visiting a professional, in a regulated environment, with health checks etc, it would reduce a lot of the sexual conflict experienced by couples."

They are already free to do this, women too as there are male escorts as well.

LurkingHusband · 07/08/2015 14:58

Incidentally, in answer to the (goady) supposition in the original title of this thread

‘Feminism Has Starved Men Of Sex’

I would suggest that feminism has starved some men of sex. In particular the sort of man that has no respect for women, and who does not believe that women are capable - or should be allowed - to decide what to do with their bodies.

But if that's the case, cry me a fucking river.

happyplayinghappy · 07/08/2015 15:28

It sometimes worries me the fact that there still a lot of inequality against women in normal businesses. Also with benefits cuts etc..... many women with children are already very trapped financially both married or unmarried. Will some policy makers (still mostly men) think that this is just another way for women or anyone to get into some form of a legal employment. After all not everyone likes their job but it is a job. I want to see that prostitutes' human right being protected but i dont want prostitution to become a form of career or employment choice.

LurkingHusband · 07/08/2015 15:38

I want to see that prostitutes' human right being protected

I like to see all humans human rights protected. Clue in the title, really.

WhySoAngry · 07/08/2015 15:43

SarcasticHusband not LurkingHusband

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SchnooSchnoo · 07/08/2015 15:45

Actually element, there was a thread on AIBU a while ago about a vegetarian getting benefit sanctioned because she refused to take a job in an abattoir. Also, I have anecdotally heard about people being expected to take medical testing 'jobs' at the job centre, so I wouldn't be so sure!

Jan45 · 07/08/2015 15:56

Thankfully most on here find the title and the contents a load of old shite.

Had to laugh at this:
"If men were free to satisfy their needs by visiting a professional, in a regulated environment, with health checks etc, it would reduce a lot of the sexual conflict experienced by couples."

Yeah, that's really going to spread the love between a couple.

A normal bloke Angry would use his friggin hand rather than risk his health and his relationship.

But cheers for the Friday afternoon laugh.

happyplayinghappy · 07/08/2015 18:37

The Starved Men are those who are incapable to move on with the modern time. They are left behind by women of today.

magoria · 07/08/2015 19:01

Decent blokes who treat women like humans probably get sex.

Blokes who treat women as second class citizens etc, there to service them are the ones who don't and probably need these services.

Why should we legalise it so some other poor sod has to put up with their selfish ways?

happyplayinghappy · 07/08/2015 19:38

I like to see prostitutes ' safty being protected as i believe many people went into prostitution out of desperation e.g. abusive family members or partners. Often it isnt a choice that one wants or feel free to make.

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