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My mother has cut me out of her life - long sorry

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Pages · 17/11/2006 16:57

I posted on here a while back asking the question "Would you cut your mother out of your life" because of a really hurtful thing she did to me which she refuses to apologise for. I think my position has always been that it would be the last resort - I think my question should really have read "would you risk your mother cutting you out of HER life?". Well I risked it and she has...

Sorry to go over old ground but she told me over a year ago that my SIL found it hard to be around my son who has special needs. I didn't confront my brother and SIL until recently because they are really unapproachable and part of me felt that I had to just live with it. It came out a few months ago in a bit of heated discussion with my brother about something else. I immediately apologised to my mum for the way I had delivered it to my brother but said I felt it did need to be addressed (I have to protect my son, he will pick up on people's feelings about him). My mum denied having said anything of the sort and she, my SIL and brother all called me a liar (SIL said some really nasty things) and said I had invented the whole conversation, and my mum got the rest of the family to gang up on me.

My mum has said very little to my face but has badmouthed me and manipulated behind the scenes including trying to get the one (older)brother who has stood by me against me against me, accusing me of splitting up the family, etc.

Me and my older brother sent her an email telling her that we don't like the way the family operates, the scapegoating, backstabbing, and manipulating that goes on. We also told her that we wanted her to acknolwedge how bad our childhood was (my stepdad was physically and emotionally abusive to us both for several years, my mum left us home alone when we were really small, etc). We told my mum that this has really affected our lives (Neither me or b have much inner confidence and I still have nightmares about the past. I am having counselling now).

My mum said nothing to me and b but showed my younger brother and sister the letter (even though we asked her not to and to talk to us about it instead)and my sister had a go at me, said my mum was really upset and had told her what had "really happened" and that we had made it all up, it wasn't that bad. I sent an email asking to be treated with more respect or be left alone. I heard nothing from any of them till now.

My mum recently started texting and contacting my older b, we are both certain she was doing her usual "divide and rule" bit, trying to get him on side so I am the one left out. He emailed her back a few days ago and said she must apologise to me for calling me a liar and take on board our concerns if she wants a relationship with either of us. I have to say, I never wanted to issue ultimatums, but could not live with the alternatives which would be to just not be myself or true to myself.

My mum has emailed him back and said it is too late, we have both hurt her to much and it is beyond redemption and that we need to sort our own lives out and leave her to get on with hers. She called me false because I had a close relationship with her and never said anything like this before. I accept that I did used to just say "the past is the past" and because I have always been too petrified of losing her to ever cross her, so have accepted blame, guilt, comments behind my back about me and DH, and have carried on being loving and compliant towards her till now. We did have a "close" relationship but on the basis that I agreed with everything she said.

I feel okay, actually. I suppose I have been slowly accepting this may be the outcome for months. But I can't quite believe that rather than discuss things, debate things, get things out into the open and (what is hardest for her - apologise)so we can move on to a new and better level in our dealings with her she is willing instead to lose two of her children. Just feel sad about that really...

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hunkermunker · 23/01/2007 17:14

No, my dear, because you were offensive.

hunkermunker · 23/01/2007 17:15

In the deleted one, that is. In the one on this thread, you're just callous.

FioFio · 23/01/2007 17:16

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hunkermunker · 23/01/2007 17:32

She has been on this subject, Fio

CAMy · 23/01/2007 17:38

In your opinion

hunkermunker · 23/01/2007 17:46

Yes.

CAMy · 23/01/2007 17:50

Are you a moderator

Greensleeves · 23/01/2007 17:52

And mine.

I agree with Fio that you usually seem like a balanced and pleasant poster. Your posts on this subject in the past have been shockingly unkind and IMO strangely vehement, though. I'm not going to read your comments this time, because I imagine I have seen them before.

I steered clear of these threads for quite a while, because of what seemed like deliberate cruelty by you and one or two others. It would be a pity if others were deterred from seeking the help and support they need by your attitude.

I am interested to know, however, what you feel would be the appropriate response of a grown woman with children of her own to a parent who was abusive, unpredictable and given to bouts of sustained, violent harrassment. Rather than the generalised and emotive remarks about how dreadful and heartless we all are, how about some practical advice on handling such a person without allowing them to obliterate another generation of family life?

CAMy · 23/01/2007 18:00

No, forget I posted. Its obviously a generational thing.

hunkermunker · 23/01/2007 19:16

No, MN doesn't have moderators any more.

But you know that, you've been on MN five years.

I really don't see why this subject riles you so much.

Can you not see that the mothers of the women on this thread and the other one (which I lurked on) have behaved appallingly? Did you read the list Sandcastles just posted and think "yes, perfectly reasonable behaviour for a mother?"

How is it a generational thing?

Sakura · 23/01/2007 23:49

Good idea Greensleeves. COme on CAMy, help me out here. My mother is a physically violent person and was towards me as a child, but the REAL problem is that she wants EVERYTHING her own way, and if she doesnT get it she gets really venomous. She enjoys "scenes" and craves confrontation like a drug. She still scares the hell out of me. I donT think she doesnT love me, I think shes mentally ill. She will NEVER seek help. She appears to be a functional alcoholic these days too.
So how should I deal with it?

Sakura · 24/01/2007 00:13

And with that chill out, girls commment, something tells me CAMy is enjoying watching our reactions. Hmmm what to do? Should I keep feeding her desire for confrontation and attention by showing her how hurtful she`s being. Or should I ignore her and right her off as being ridiculous?
A bit like dealing with my mum, really.

So if you think our mothersbehaviour is justifiable, does that mean you would behave like that yourself CAMy? What would you expect your daughter to do? Stop avoiding our questions, and start giving some straight answers, other thanIve been on mumsnet 5 years

Pages · 25/01/2007 10:46

I was wondering Camy whether you have any repressed memories of childhood abuse yourself as this thread seems to strike a chord with you.

Your comments on this thread (or those of your DH) didn't make any sense to me, I have to say.

Of course you are welcome to join the discussion - I think you are right that at once point I did ask you very politely (on the other thread)to refrain from commenting as I was at a very low ebb and your comments up to that point had been quite upsetting to many of the women who have joined this thread through need of support, and quite hurtful to one or two in particular. Don't forget that people come on here for support not just to air their opinions. It doesn't matter whether you have been coming on here 5 years or 5 minutes.

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MusicLover · 29/01/2007 15:09

Didnt want this thread to be killed by a careless post, so just thought I'd post to see how you are all doing?

Me & DH are still off the fags, difficult at times but determined to keep it up.

Still feeling positive too, thankfully.

Hope you are all well & still thinking about you all.

Take Care x

Pages · 29/01/2007 19:38

So pleased (truly!) Musiclover. It is great to hear of people who have suffered depression finding positivity and you really really should be so proud of yourself for staying off the fags. As someone who gave up after smoking since age 13 I know how hard it is but it really does get easier and easier after the first month or two(in my experience). I am sure part of your positivity is connected with this - it is such a kind thing to do for yourself.

I am too feeling excited and positive. It's weird because despite still thinking about my mum daily, I am feeling free in a way I never quite achieved before even though I have always been quite a positive peson. It feels somehow as if the future is my own now, glistening ahead of me full of possibility in a way that it never quite did before.

I hope others are feeling okay (despite some recent setbacks for some, i.e. Sakura).

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Greensleeves · 29/01/2007 19:43

Well done on giving up the ciggies ML, I'm pleased for you

I have been struggling a bit lately tbh, with nightmares and huge panic attacks at night - it's been years since I've had those. I think it must be the time of year - the anniversary of all the hell when I broke off contact with her. I have had my amytriptyline (for anxiety) increased, but it hasn't made a difference yet. The bad dreams are spectacularly bad, I hope they stop soon.

Pages, I smoked from 13 too and found it virtually impossible to give up. I failde several times before I finally cracked it. it's a good feeling, isn't it?

foxinsocks · 29/01/2007 19:51

greeny, those sound awful. Are you having counselling as well as the amitriptyline?

well done all of you for giving up the cigs!

Greensleeves · 29/01/2007 19:56

Hi FIS

They are terrifying, really graphic and sometimes violent, which isn't like me at all. I hate going to sleep at the moment, and when I try to I get those massive panic attacks that strike when you are just dropping off. Last night I was lying on the sofa watching a film with dh, perfectly OK, and suddenly I started shaking and my pulse rate went up to 130. It's not much fun. [slf-pity emoticon]

No counselling at the moment, but a very nice MNer gave me a leaflet for affordable counselling in my area, so I will be pursuing it (when the kids haven't got flu, which I think I might be coming down with too)

This thread has been vital for me at times, and I know it has for others too - I'm glad it's still going despite the odd malign interruption.

Rhubarb · 29/01/2007 19:58

I don't think CAM is CAMy, it doesn't sound like her.

My mother is also very damaging. She spreads lies about me, she makes out to people that she is the victim, if you have a crisis she will turn it round to be her crisis. She seeks attention constantly and will do anything to get that attention, even if it means betraying and hurting her own family.

At the moment I am civil to her. She never phones, she never asks how the children are, she isn't interested yet she tells anyone who cares to listen how much she adores them and misses them. I called her on her birthday and at Christmas and was very pleasant to her, but my brother was under the impression that I was abusive to her on the phone and that she is too scared to call me.

As I cannot do anything right I have stop caring what others think. They can believe her. I will continue to be civil and will make sure that my conscience is clear. There is no good to be gotten from behaving like she is. It's just a shame that she is contaminating the relationships I have with my siblings.

foxinsocks · 29/01/2007 20:03

Greeny - how terrible. I've only ever had panic attacks as a response to a fear (real or perceived) so can't even imagine how awful it must feel to have them without a prompt (iyswim). It must feed itself because no doubt, you then worry about going to sleep and having more (so you increase your panic level). I know it may sound naff, but have you ever tried listening to one of those relaxation CDs before you go to bed? A proper one, not a crappy one. If you like, I'll look for the name of one that I felt was quite good.

Hi Rhub - never realised your mum was that way. How vicious of her to try and turn your siblings against you.

Rhubarb · 29/01/2007 20:13

Hey Greeny I used to get these too, still occasionally I can feel one coming. I was in the car the other day driving back from somewhere and I just got this horrible feeling that I was going to crash and die. My mouth went dry, I started shaking, I wanted to stop the car, but I breathed as I did when I was in labour, I told myself that I've had these before and nothing has happened, I kept telling myself that if I could just get past the next 5 lampposts, then the next 5 and so on until I felt calmer.

Distraction is also good. Dh used to ask me to do something when I had a panic attack. He'd give me a task such as looking up a word and it's definition. Having something else to focus on really helped me.

Foxy - thanks. She's always been like this but recently she is worse. It is hard to describe, but her public image is so so different from her real image. She recently won an award for "Best Mother" from the local paper, she framed a copy of the picture and gave us all one! Mine went in the bin. She simply isn't interested in any of us, yet presents herself as a loving mum and grandma. She accuses us of all sorts, she thinks me and my sister plot against her behind her back and has even said that she thinks we are possessed by the devil. She feeds from people's crisis and everything she does or says is negative.

foxinsocks · 29/01/2007 20:39

omg at the best mother award - she sounds completely paranoid and a bit delusional (if you don't mind me saying). Was she like this when you were a child? Must have been very hard to live with.

Rhubarb · 29/01/2007 20:45

Yes. She is staunch catholic, church every day if she could, told everyone about all the good deeds she did, she fostered children who came before us in everything. If we put a foot wrong it was turned into a huge crisis with tears and recriminations about how we had failed her. She always had a pained look and was always ill, never slept well, always depressed.

Now that I am clear of her grasp I'm ok. But whilst I was living with her it was a nightmare. My problems were never of any importance unless she could turn them into her problems. Then I'd get the blame for making her ill with my problems!

Munchausens I think it's called.

Pages · 29/01/2007 21:36

My God, Rhubarb, how awful. There are a lot of similarities though between your mother and mine, though mine is not nearly as extreme. I know that pained look for sure! I was watching Eastenders tonight (I know, it's only a soap!)but I noticed as I always do how children seem to be listened to (and parents seem to be penitent) when the parent has made a mistake. The child, whatever age, seems to be allowed to shout, scream, threaten to leave and call their parent names and the parent will say sorry and tell the child they love them. Is this normal? I wonder what it would be like to be able to say and act how you feel and know you would still be loved - and more - apologised to!!!! Is this just soapland or is this what proper families are like?

So sorry to hear about the panic attacks Greenie - it is the most depressing time of year anyway (I think last Monday was polled to be the worst day of the year)but there will be all sorts of associations for you as well. Are the nightmares about anything in particular? I remember you saying you were dreaming about being back at school at one point. I hope the counselling proves helpful.

I haven't had panic attacks as an adult but I remember having one when I was 5, when my mother left me home alone. She wasn't gone for very long apparently (well, according to her) but it felt like forever and I remember I was frozen still - I couldn't actually move, I was so terrified. But as Fox says that was in response to actual conscious fear. It seems there is something in your unconscious somewhere that is still triggering the attacks.

I have however had nightmares on and off all my life, always the same one. I do sometimes feel a bit scared at bedtime and having a few drinks definitely takes the edge off that. So I can relate to the night terrors Greenie and really feel for you. Like your panic attacks, they come out of the blue and there doesn't appear to be anything in the daytime that triggers them.

Sorry if this post is a bit disjointed, I am really tired.

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Spidermama · 29/01/2007 21:40

Oh I'm so glad this thread has re-appeared. It saves me searching for it and I can now read it at my leisure.

I'm anticipating a few moments of 'OH MY GOD SO DOES MY MUM! THAT'S IT EXACTLY!' etc.

Best grab some tissues and work the issues.

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