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Occasionally dysfunctional marriage - Help me understand! Bit Long.

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UsinedeGlue · 16/06/2015 08:11

Morning,

I've often thought about posting this. For years. The difficulty is that I am not sure how to frame it, or indeed whats is relevant. Here goes -

Bit of background. I have been married for 16 years, three children under 14. I am a SAHD having resigned from a good job (merchant bank) to become a SAHD. DW has a demanding job. We moved from the UK some years ago and live in Europe.

DW had an affair. We wouldn't be together now were it not for a poster here (WhenWillIFeelNormal), sadly she seems to have left. The affair lasted 2 years or so and ended 5 years ago. I still think about it most days. I arranged relationship counselling which helped me greatly at the time but DW, it turns out, only pretended. Perhaps that's unfair, she went along with it for my sake but only for a couple of sessions. Later she simply said 'I don't do talking'. It's like the repair/recovery process was nothing to do with her.

There are times - be they hours, or several days, where DW & I barely talk. I'm afraid they're usually triggered by sexual frustration on my part, but they can also just creep up on us. I don't know what is going on in her mind during these periods but she makes no effort to discuss or question why there's an atmosphere, because by that time whatever triggered the awkwardness has probably gone. DW would either quietly get on with whatever she needs / wants to do, or be chirpy. We will only talk in short sentences about everyday things (kids, job, weather). Essentially anything except broach the subject and the bloody great elephant in the room. During these times I struggle. I resent her, actively dislike her, and just want to have a relationship where there is openness, fun, and mutual support if something is clearly not right. We have evolved into a position where these episodes are never discussed, and they fade away as we start to behave more healthily. I have learned that I am not very effective at communicating either, because I can be too candid, too 'solution focused'. I get frustrated. So now I know better. It's not a healthy situation.

Our sex life is awkward. DW generally doesn't have the confidence to initiate, I am (yet another) one of those that tries to initiate less and less for fear of rejection. DW could feel as randy as a goat but would lie in bed motionless. I have a higher libido than her so, yes, I do get very frustrated. I try not to make a big deal of it but I know I can become huffy or withdrawn occasionally. When it does happen it's fine or great, although the 'repertoire' is very limited, to the point that it is almost exactly the same each time. We both know we're incompatible in this way but we muddle along well enough.

So, there's some mess that could be addressed. We are fine and happy a lot of the time - is that enough? We are very lucky in many important ways. But these periods seem so damaging and the fact that I resent her during them worries me very much.

I think I should look to myself first - I have as many limitations as DW, they're just different ones. We can't change who we are so I guess I need to help in managing or understanding better.

I know this is all a bit vague, but any thoughts would be appreciated.

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hamsterescape · 16/06/2015 19:11

Should read : uncomfortable rut

BCBG · 16/06/2015 19:27

This is my marriage, OP, except that I am a SAHW now and DH is high powered. But we have been married for 28 years, and also have these periods of silence, because I get frustrated and he won't/can't emotionally engage 'doesn't do talking.' He loves me and I love him, but our sex life is identical to yours in that he has a higher libido, but is deeply unimaginative and also dyspraxic so technique is not/has never been his thing. I guess, like you, I've learned to live with it and now I just lie there. Two thoughts, therefore. 1) This is a classic rut, and you may have a libido but need skills sharpening! 2) Your wife is busy, tired and compartmentalising. DH does that, so I run house and home, and occasionally have to remind him that I am not his secretary. When he is grumpy, I get the atmosphere, not the office. I put up with all of this, because I love him and frankly the alternative is not attractive, although I do fantasise about being on my own - but then I couldn't inflict that hurt on him or the kids. So I'm stuck with it. Are you?

Isetan · 16/06/2015 20:26

Your wife had an emotional affair which turned physical, yet she doesn't do talking and isn't that interested in sex, have I missed something? She has emotionally and physically checked out of your relationship and you're hanging around in the vain hope that she checks back in again.

You frustration and unhappiness aren't motivation enough for your W to explore change, let alone embrace it, which speaks volumes.

I think your marriage is over and deep down you know it too, you're just not ready to let go of the hope that your W will have an epiphany or, that you'll find the magic combination of words and actions to trigger an epiphany.

UsinedeGlue · 17/06/2015 11:21

Sorry for disappearing. Lots to consider in your posts.

I'm at a bit of a loss to know how to respond to some if this. There is a consensus that I didn't see coming.

I don't have it in me to disrupt what is a very close family unit. To my mind that'd be selfish and cruel. My kids would suffer enormously, as would I and as would DW. I have invested heavily in this marriage and I'm damned well not going to walk out. Yes, it is true that I am hoping this problem will get resolved, and I want to drive that, but without resorting to splitting up. Some form of open marriage doesn't appeal to me in the slightest. If there is no resolution, then I guess, as some of you have rightly pointed out, I either suck it up and enjoy what there is to be enjoyed (there is a great deal of that) or get off the fence, leave & find some soul mate, meanwhile screwing up three lives. My happiness is not my first priority, but I think my feelings deserve more acknowledgement than they get.

Looks like I've started something which I am not prepared to take advice on, despite asking for advice in the first place!

I am usually good at making decisions. Big and small. This one has got the better of me for the time being. I just need to organise my thoughts, get a plan. Figure out how to start discussing this with DW with the highest likelihood of being constructive.

Also, this whole thing is not specifically about our sex life. I am more shallow than I like to admit - if our sex life is on form, all this sadness & awkwardness goes away. Sure, I'd like a more varied / spontaneous love life but many perfectly happy marriages survive with some level of mis-match in the trouser department.

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UsinedeGlue · 17/06/2015 11:30

Just to clarify - I sounded off a bit about the harmful impact of a divorce. Sorry - I know a lot of posters have had truly awful situations and have been strong enough to break free from them. Many divorces prove helpful in the longer term, particularly for children that are otherwise exposed to a dysfunctional relationship. Our kids see nothing negative. My marriage doesn't fall into that category. Thank god.

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Vivacia · 17/06/2015 11:48

Our kids see nothing negative. My marriage doesn't fall into that category. Thank god.

They don't see all of those times you are barely speaking to each other? They don't see a lack of connection, conversation and humour?

UsinedeGlue · 17/06/2015 11:51

No they don't. They're at boarding school (judgements not welcome!) and our times together at weekends and holidays give nothing away.

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UsinedeGlue · 17/06/2015 11:53

Also, there is conversation, connection and humour. Just never about this issue, obviously.

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whereismagic · 17/06/2015 12:03

"My happiness is not my first priority."

Do you realise just how sad it sounds? Whose priority is it then? I hope you will find your way out of this mess.

Thenapoleonofcrime · 17/06/2015 12:05

I think the problem is you are still very angry and cross at your wife over her affair. You think about it most days, and when you don't get sex to reassure you all is well, you become distant and unfriendly and there's an atmosphere. I actually don't think she's doing much wrong, in that she's getting on and putting it all behind you. If what you actually want to do is air it all, get cross, have counselling and rehash it all again- then you need to let her know. But I think this would be a bit mistake, and not lead her to feeling closer to you.

At some point, when someone has done something almost unforgiveable, you do have to let it go otherwise it just drags the misery and unpleasantness from the past into the future. I know this is hard, believe me, I have had to do it myself, though not over infidelity. But continually, internally, beating someone up because of things that happened 5 years ago- well, you either move on and let this stuff go a bit or it eats away at your marriage as it is doing to yours now.

I don't think it sounds like it is over to me, and there may well be enough there to work on, you say you have fun and mostly happy times, you do have a sex life of sorts (not sure about your wife being full of lust but not acting on it though) and you are both obviously committed to the marriage, which is a baseline from which to start.

I think you should seek counselling yourself, because she is who she is and she has to offer what she has to offer and your continual focus on her problems (which may be very real and may indeed benefit from counselling) is not helping you move on at all. Everyone is right- you can't change her really, not at this stage and I personally think rehashing the past is not going to help here at all.

Thenapoleonofcrime · 17/06/2015 12:08

I also think that if you are a SAHD with children in boarding school, you may have too much time on your hands and be stuck in a rather narrow mental space (sorry, but I have female friends with older children and this happens without you realising as they get older and more independent and your role recedes). I think if you get a new purpose (note, it doesn't have to be a demanding paid job) you will be able to move on more easily. I don't mean forget entirely, that's not possible, I mean move on from feeling strong emotion and then withdrawing as a solution to this all the time.

If you don't want to move on, though, and be continually angry, but not leave, then you will carry on getting more of the same.

UsinedeGlue · 17/06/2015 12:43

napoleon that's constructive. And probably bang on. I need to think it all through a little.

No time to write much for a while - busy busy!

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Vivacia · 17/06/2015 12:45

You're a stay-at-home-parent and your children are at boarding school?

Candycoco · 17/06/2015 13:00

I felt quite sorry for you until I read you're a SAHD and your kids are at boarding school?!

What on earth are you doing all day? No wonder you are obsessing over your wife's affair. Surely if you filled your own life it'd improve your self worth and you wouldn't put up with her detachment from the marriage?

UsinedeGlue · 17/06/2015 13:02

Yeah - it's great! They weren't at boarding school when I stopped work to look after them. The arrangement works well though - I'm always busy, kids wellbeing & activities, house sorted, blah blah.

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UsinedeGlue · 17/06/2015 13:04

Opened a can of worms here - I seldom have free time. I do not mooch about obsessing about the past.

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UsinedeGlue · 17/06/2015 13:09

Oh & I'm not looking for sympathy. Just some guidance, which I've read carefully and am grateful for. I accept that sitting about wih nothing I occupy myself with wouldn't help. That's not the case. And my youngest son is not at boarding school.

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Candycoco · 17/06/2015 13:12

Well you've already said you're not going to do anything about it. You asked for perspective and didn't like what was said so what's the point in asking if you're just going to carry on as you are.

Ask yourself would you be happy for either of your children to be in marriages like yours? If you can't say yes honestly then they will be basing their idea of what is a healthy relationship on yours. Don't underestimate what children pick up on.

Candycoco · 17/06/2015 13:14

One minute they're at boarding school the next they are not. Erm ok then.

KatelynB · 17/06/2015 13:22

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whereismagic · 17/06/2015 13:25

I don't remember a saying exactly but it was to the effect that in family there are no secrets from children and pets. I bet you anything that your kids are very aware that something is not right between you two.

UsinedeGlue · 17/06/2015 13:41

Thanks all for your comments. Most of them are right in whole or part.

It's not that I am not going to do anything about all this, I am. Otherwise I wouldn't have posted anything. I needed some perspective to help me figure out the best approach(es) and thanks to certain posters I am, I hope, a bit more aware of the bigger picture. It's valuable and it will help.

Candycoco - no, 2 board and one doesn't.

Certainly I could have been clearer in the first post or two. Sorry if I seem to be drip feeding, but I did warn you!

I'm truly grateful for those that offered considered, realistic advice. It's been an eye opener.

Wish me luck.

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QuiteLikely5 · 17/06/2015 13:45

Op

How about a glass of wine and some nice food for DW once the children are sleeping.

Talk to her about these things. Open up to her. Be emotional.

Re the sex, try not to be a man child about it. It tails off. Always.

Your life sounds pretty good to me. You both love each other and you have every damned right to feel whatever you like about that affair. Your feelings and thoughts are your own.

Marriage just isn't a bed of roses. Ups, downs and on it goes.

Word of caution: make sure your DW just isn't with you for the children's sake. I'm not sure how much financial security you will have should she decide to depart once they reach a certain age. It does happen.

Keep talking to her. Always.

Listen to her too. Take on board what she has to say.

Good luck.

Keepithidden · 17/06/2015 13:59

Good luck OP, I've been following your thread, similar, but less dramatic situation to me. No advice to offer, hence I didn't post, but you can have some moral support!

Keepithidden · 17/06/2015 14:00

Sorry, should've been more dramatic! Long day etc...

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