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So I have evidence of my husband's infidelity. How long do allow him to keep lying to me?

39 replies

SteadyHand · 25/05/2015 11:29

I've name changed, but am a long time MNetter.
There is lots of back story, but I'll keep things as brief as I can.
Last year, when I was pregnant I became aware that my 'd'h was becoming more and more distant, disinterested in the children, and obsessive and possessive over his phone. I asked him about an affair, but he denied. In time, he barely spoke to me, and told me he wanted to leave. He moved out and barely contacted the dc at all.
Fast forward to the week before my due date, and I asked him to come round to discuss finances. I saw that his screen saver was of another woman. I asked about her, and was told in a blase manner that this was the woman he was seeing. I asked him to leave, and promptly went into labour.

Anyway, a couple of days later, whilst I was still in hospital as baby had been in SCBU, he rang me in floods of tears telling me he'd made a terrible mistake. In time I allowed him to come home. He seemed very repentant and full of remorse. It turned out the other woman lived abroad and they'd only met online, but he'd had a tattoo for her, promised her a home in England...

Soon after I took him back, this other woman began harassing me via all sorts of methods. Some of it was quite terrifying but I ignored it all, but each time she contacted me, it reminded me of my dh's infidelity.

Roll on a few months, and surprise surprise, my dh became distant and phone obsessed again. With a baby and returning to work though, I just ignored it as I guess I felt resigned. It wasn't until one day that I unplugged my dh's phone from the charger while he slept that I saw a notification that he'd been sent photos from another woman via a website app. I googled the app, and sure enough, it's a site for meeting people. I rang him the next day and asked him outright. Initially he said it was harmless but agreed I wouldn't want to read the messages as they were inappropriate. I told him it was over, I can't live like this anymore. Within a week he'd moved out again. Only he changed his story and said the site is just for chatting to new friends, that he's done nothing wrong, that he moved out because I ended it and told him to go.

Call me suspicious, but I joined the site myself and found him within moments. The things I have read have broken my heart all over again. He had been referring to me as his ex for weeks, long before I knew about the site. He has a girlfriend on there- they call each other hubby and wifey. He tells people what a bitch I am. When he's looked after the children, he says it's because his ex is 'fucking him about', not that this is his prearranged times to see them. When it was our dc's baptism, he referred to this as 'having to do some family shit'. There is so much more, but it is all so petty and ridiculous. Even the way he writes like a 20 year old in slang and text speak makes me cringe.

He's lied to everyone. Everyone. I've asked him outright if he's met someone, he says no. He told me he's going away next week, so won't see the children. I asked if he was meeting someone, he said no. Trouble is, I've seen the booking confirmation for his flights to go and meet his new woman! They have both been crowing about how they can't wait to finally meet each other and keep each other up all night. I know all of this, but can't bring myself to tell him.

Some might say it has nothing to do with me, but he's been carrying this on behind my back when with me. I think if the messages he sent her whilst lying next to me in bed, and feel sick.

What should I do with the knowledge I have? I guess I want him to admit his unfaithfulness, but I don't know why I care or what difference it will make. I'm so hurt and confused.

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handfulofcottonbuds · 25/05/2015 11:38

Good grief, what a horrible situation for you.

Regardless of whether he admits it or not, you need to screen shot the messages and see a solicitor. Take control of this awful situation.

You cannot continue living like this, he has been so utterly disrespectful of you and your DCs.

flora717 · 25/05/2015 11:39

Will him admitting his (many) lies and shitty behaviour help you move on? You have seen a vast swathe of what he is capable of.
It is very difficult to reconcile who someone really is with what you hoped sometimes.
You could confront him and point out you know where / why his going. You could even leave a message for him with the airline and all sorts of mind fucking things. But. These wont change him (he never was who you thought) nor that he acted that way (and will continue to).
Concentrate on your life, your DC and what you want moving forwards for yourself.

AnyFucker · 25/05/2015 11:39

Who cares what he admits or doesn't admit

the bloke is a sexual incontinent and always will be

I am finding it difficult to read just how much you have already compromised your own self respect

for God's sake, end it for good this time

no more excuses from him, and no more from you

the only person getting fooled here is you

flora717 · 25/05/2015 11:43

And as he's away, rather than doing anything to confront now: gather it all and go to a solicitor. Be sure of your position and secure a future for you and your DC without him.

Nolim · 25/05/2015 11:43

Ltb

Sidge · 25/05/2015 11:48

Change the locks and file for divorce for infidelity, having taken and printed screenshots of whatever you may need for supporting the divorce application.

Life's too short love. I feel your pain (I've been there) but he just isn't worth the effort to make him "admit" anything. Head up, deep breaths and move on. Don't tie yourself in knots forcing contact, step back, be guided by a solicitor and look after yourself and your children.

BeCool · 25/05/2015 11:48

Can you see there is no solution with this man?

I very much doubt he will ever be honest with you.

Time to put your energies into an exit plan and building a new life without him.

I would prepare a bunch of screen shots and file them away should you need them at a later date, then get out if this relationship. Remind yourself he does not speak the truth.

Cherryapple1 · 25/05/2015 11:48

stop talking to him about it - that will get you nowhere fast. He is never going to be honest - why do you expect him to tell the truth now.

The only thing you should be doing is booking an sti test and a lawyer.

Fugghetaboutit · 25/05/2015 11:55

Just tell him to fuck off

SteadyHand · 25/05/2015 11:57

Trust me, it's very much over! I gave him a second chance because I had a newborn and we've been through a lot of trauma together, so I felt our marriage deserved one last try. Big mistake.

I have spent all week trying to get through to CAB as I can't afford a solicitor. My housing situation is now at risk, I posted about this in the Legal section this weekend.

No need for an STI test- he's not slept with either of these women, they're 'just' online affairs. Until next week when he meets this particular woman.

I'm sorry if I sounded like I was considering a future with him. That is definitely not on the cards. I guess I was asking how to get him to admit. Mainly for my pride? If I have any left? Last time, his mum blamed me, saying that because I worked full time I didn't give him enough attention hence he looked elsewhere for it. I guess I want to walk away from this without taking any blame this time...

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Cherryapple1 · 25/05/2015 12:00

I disagree - you do need an sti test. You only have his word that he hasn't slept with them. And his word is worthless.

And many solicitors do a free half hour. And why is your housing at risk?

And his mum sounds toxic so you need to stay away from her too.

AnyFucker · 25/05/2015 12:03

The only blame you walk away with is that blame that you accept

don't accept what these terrible people say

like mother, like son, eh ?

don't let that pattern continue with your own kids

BeCool · 25/05/2015 12:03

He doesn't tell you the truth. It sounds like he doesn't know what truth is. Looking to him for anything is pointless.

BeCool · 25/05/2015 12:06

Have pride in walking away and no longer giving any value or weight to anything he says. There lies your pride and further down that road you'll find your self worth waiting too.

SteadyHand · 25/05/2015 12:10

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/legal_matters/2385878-Should-I-sign-this-contract This is my thread about my housing situation.

Thank you all for the advice and kicks up the bum. I know that the future for my dc will be better without being married to him.

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Sidge · 25/05/2015 12:14

There is a limit to what CAB can do for you. You can file for divorce yourself but I strongly suggest you see a solicitor, many offer a free initial half hour consultation. Then there can be payment plans. If divorcing for infidelity then he is liable for all costs.

You are being somewhat naive to be sure there is no physical infidelity. Just because you know only about online stuff doesn't mean there weren't meet ups.

Sidge · 25/05/2015 12:21

Sorry meant adultery not infidelity.

pocketsaviour · 25/05/2015 12:22

My first instinct was to say send the screenshots to his mum and dad, but since they're your landlords, it's best to play it close to your chest.

Looking at your other thread as well I'd say don't sign - I'm guessing he's told his parents a pack of lies like "this is just temporary" because he thinks if things don't work out with (one of the) OW he can come crawling back again.

I would go directly to PiL and say having a tenancy in both names will jeopardise your benefits and therefore you need it in just your name. I don't believe your H when he says that FiL will increase the rent if it's just for you. You know your H is a lying cunt so why believe anything he says?

SteadyHand · 25/05/2015 12:23

Seriously Sidge? He has to pay all costs if I file for divorce on the grounds of infidelity? You may have just made my day! I had approached a local solicitors, they said I could have an initial free telephone conversation, then the first meeting would be at their usual cost- that was what was putting me off. I will ring around other firms tomorrow. That has put a spring in my step, at least. What if he can't afford to pay for it? His parents own our home, so I can pretty much guarantee that I'll be kicked out in my ear when I file for divorce. Never mind.

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SteadyHand · 25/05/2015 12:25

Pocketsaviour- h told me yesterday that his dad has received my text, and is emailing me today with his decision about the single tenancy. I'm expecting a no from him.

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SteadyHand · 25/05/2015 12:27

So if I don't have evidence that they have actually slept together, can it be classed as adultery? As he'll never admit it, will he?

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tribpot · 25/05/2015 12:31

Out of interest, does he still have the tattoo of Online OW 1? That should make for an interesting conversation when he meets Online OW 2.

Why don't you post on the site where he and OOW2 are declaring their lust for each other?

Failing that, I would print out those threads, particularly the one where he describes the baptism of his own child as 'family shit', along with the booking confirmation. Give those to him and tell him to get his lying face out of your sight permanently. Oh, and give the print outs to his parents as well.

Your relationship with his parents is already on very dodgy ground, the dad's refusal to allow you to pay rent until you've signed a particular contract which paves the way for his son to be able to move back in ... you need to get away from the whole pack of them.

I agree with Sidge, just because you've 'only' found evidence of emotional infidelity don't assume there was no physical infidelity. I would get yourself tested to be on the safe side.

But most of all, stop keeping his secrets. He will never admit that this started before you separated and he is an accomplished liar. So get the truth out there yourself.

Excitedforxmas · 25/05/2015 12:35

I'd also contact the airport and tell them he's a drugs mule!

handfulofcottonbuds · 25/05/2015 12:40

If divorcing for infidelity then he is liable for all costs

I'm sorry OP but this is wrong information.

You can put into your proposal that you request he pays all costs but this rarely happens. You can get legal aid but only if there have been circumstances where there have been proven DV.

The courts don't look at blame. The judge will grant a divorce on the grounds for adultery if your DH doesn't contest that but it has no impact on the reason for divorce to the amount of a settlement you can get.

Sidge · 25/05/2015 12:47

I apologise that my information is out of date. I know legal aid doesn't apply for divorce nowadays, but when I divorced in 2012 I was told he was liable for my costs as he had committed adultery. He had to pay my legal fees. I apologise if this in incorrect.