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H's brother and his brass neck

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bullinthesea · 19/05/2015 16:12

Hello Ladies, you might remember me, from a couple of years ago, when I posted about my husband's affair: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/a1782820-My-DH-has-had-an-emotional-affair and you might remember that I stayed with him, in an attempt to repair the marriage. We have a DS age 9.
Everyone thought it would be best to LTB, and I think deep down, I know that this is probably for the best, really. I don't know why I have kept trying - weakness I suppose), but I thought that a split would seriously mess up my child (and myself) and really couldn't bear the thought of it.

My post today concerns H's Brother, and the requests that he makes of this family, that I think are just plain cheeky.

1st, his brother is 41, has 3 kids, and is separated from the mothers. He has had serious issues with gambling & bankruptcy, and wanted to rent a flat about a year ago. He asked H to be a guarantor at first. Initially, we discussed it, decided we couldn't afford it if brother couldn't pay his rent for any reason, and said no. Then, next thing I know, H says to me "Don't worry, I've sorted it, he's put me down as a tenant", which of course is even worse, as now we're liable for all the bills & rates too, in the event of brother not paying.

2nd, last week, brother phones up (the phone was on speakerphone, so I could hear) and he was telling H that his car insurance was due, and that it was going to cost too much. I was thinking 'and?....why are you telling us?' , he then asked H if he could put him down as the main driver on the car, to bring his bill down Shock. Luckily, H said no, as he has points on his licence (but I did wonder what he would have said, if he did not have any points). It's known as fronting, and the insurance companies are all too aware of it. H could end up in serious trouble.

3rd, brother is currently on holiday with his new girlfriend (of about 6 months). He phoned us on Sunday, to tell us that he's run out of money, and he wants H to transfer some money to him (he's only there for a week!), oh, only £300. (He's due back on Tues). H couldn't do the payment on Sunday, as he can't seem to log onto his bank on our laptop, so he left it until the Monday (yesterday). I return home from work to discover that H's Mum has been trying to phone me, on my mobile phone. When I txt to find out what's up, she says that the brother needs H, and to get him to contact her ASAP. H also received alarmed messages of emergency from her.
It turns out, its all because brother hasn't got the money yet.
I can't believe that he'd got MIL involved (she's abroad herself ffs). So, then H gets in touch, the brother says he can't receive the money to his phone (they decide to use pingit) so can H send it to the new girlfriend's phone? He says yes. Then, a request comes through to H, for £400! It turns out that for some reason, they couldn't afford their hotel bill Hmm.
H then paid it, only to discover afterwards, that it has put us overdrawn!!
I am so cross. My name is also on this account, so it's now a joint debt ffs.

I have discussed with H, the need to have some boundaries with his brother, because he really does take the piss.
He says "yeah, but he's my brother, he shoved a few quid my way when I was at uni, he's family, etc etc"

I even said last night, that I am prepared to pay for the brother to take classes in personal budgeting/financial planning etc. H just laughed, and said "yeah right, I can really see him doing that".
I was thinking more along the lines of teaching him to be more responsible with his own money, instead of these ridiculous situations keep cropping up, all the time.

Also couldn't understand why MIL didn't sort it out herself, he's not our responsibility after all. She had all day, and yet we were both at work.

Lastly, the brother has no pension provision. I talked to H about this last night. I asked him if we're expected to fund his retirement aswell, when he runs out of money? "No, don't be silly" came the answer...

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bullinthesea · 20/05/2015 13:45

Thanks BBB, yes, it did turn out to be physical - it took two weeks before I got the truth out of him, and even then he was minimising a heck of a lot. They both still work at the same school, as he still hasn't managed to land another job Hmm

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mummytime · 20/05/2015 14:02

Start looking around for a good lawyer.
Make sure you know as much as possible about his finances.
Investigate your options - such as improving your job, child care options etc.

Take back control.

pocketsaviour · 20/05/2015 14:10

I would speak to a solicitor now about where you stand financially if you were to separate.

The law exists to make fair settlements when couples divorce. He could try to screw you over, true.

I am concerned about him saying he would sign the house over to you only. If the house is mortgage-free, then what's the point? If you were to divorce he would still be entitled to half the value. This would make me suspicious that he has (or has tried to) borrow against the house.

pocketsaviour · 20/05/2015 14:12

You can check on the Land Registry website to see if there are any charges against your home. I think it's about £3.
www.landregistry.gov.uk

bullinthesea · 20/05/2015 14:45

Thank you Pocketsaviour! I'm very grateful.

And to everyone else that's posted on this thread.

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shovetheholly · 20/05/2015 14:49

OP, I am sorry you are going through this. It sounds to me as though your DH has an unhealthy attitude towards risk in more departments of his life than the financial. I understand the difficulties of your financial position, but I honestly think you may have more happiness and peace of mind as a single person on a lower income than with this man.

ememem84 · 22/05/2015 06:43

Hi op sorry I meant to come back and post. pocketsaviour is right I think. You can check land registry to see if there are any charges. You have to sign up for username and password and pay for the info. But shouldn't be much.

Failing that I think a solicitor would be able to do it. But obviously they cost.

bullinthesea · 22/05/2015 16:40

Thanks for the info everyone.

I did a land registry check, and it turns out there is no debt or anything against the house, which is good news.

I am waiting to find out the results of the experian check that I did on Weds, I have to wait for something to come through the post.

BIL has paid back the money - although, he couldn't do it on the day he got back off holiday apparently, as he didn't get back until 5am, and the poor little petal had to sleep til about 3pm Angry, so we remained overdrawn until yesterday, when he could be bothered to drag himself down the bank.

H has been quite moody with me over the last few days, and when the money had been paid back, he told me, (but in a sarcastic tone that told me he was irritated with me for having made a fuss about it in the first place).

I also contacted a solicitor, and will see if I can get an appointment after half term.

I've been thinking a lot today, about what it would be like after he's gone, and I've realised that, even though he's done all this shit, that I will miss him, and the future I envisioned for our little family. I feel very sad thinking about it all.

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