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DH has left again

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AndHarry · 17/05/2015 08:34

Third time in as many years. He sat me down last night and said he was unhappy and thought we should separate. I asked him what he was unhappy about and what I needed to change. It was difficult to pin him down to anything but then it came out: he wants me to do things for him like sew buttons back onto his shirts and fix his trousers when there's a hole in the pocket or the hem has dropped. That's it. He wants to put me through all this again because of a few buttons. It's so incredibly pathetic I would laugh if I wasn't crying.

What it actually boils down to is that he wants to feel respected as the manly head of the household, even if he hasn't put it like that. As I told him last night, it's difficult to respect him when I feel like his mother: organising everything, picking up after him, reminding him of essential things that need doing for the kids, coming into the kitchen many days to find it full of dirty crockery from the day(s) before (I cook, he washes up), struggle to tidy up because the bins are overflowing (his job) and have to cajole him into coming out with the kids instead of sticking on a DVD and lying on the sofa all weekend. I have tried and tried in as many ways as I could think of to make things easy for him and do things for him but get ground down by the sheer laziness of his response. The more I do, the less he bothers.

I said I would do everything around the house if that would stop the arguments and resentment, just to be stonewalled with 'it won't work'. I asked him to try doing the household chores he had agreed to do, consistently, and got 'it won't work'.

I pointed out that I had supported him in going to the gym every morning before work and going out with his friends several nights a week so that he gets his own time. Apparently 'it's not that'.

I said how hurt I was that he had complained about what I cooked so I only made the things he said he wanted but he still orders pizza for himself. How hurt I am that when I did as he asked and made his lunches he didn't eat them, preferring to get fast food instead. 'Shrug'.

The fact is that he has a pretty cushy life but, as he repeatedly points out, he is the 'breadwinner' while I only work because I want to, so anything wrong around the house is immediately my fault for not being wifely enough.

I ended up screaming into my pillow with sheer frustration. He didn't come to bed and this morning he wasn't in the house and his car has gone.

Another fall to the tax office to sort out tax credits tomorrow. Another time trying to keep myself together for the kids, dealing with their anxieties over their dad being gone, pretending that he's in meetings or at the gym every evening. Dealing with my parents' disappointment again.

I'm sorry this is an essay. I don't want anything, just needed to get it out.

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gildedcage · 21/06/2015 21:17

All three are lovely. Second if more formal but the coral is pretty as well. You do sound amazing. ..you're going to have great things to come Wink

Jux · 21/06/2015 21:17

I like the blue one with the straps and the peach one.

Do you have things you can wear with it? You may need to slip something over, a light cardigan or something. What about shoes? Jewellery? A bag? Hair decorations? (if you do that sort of stuff.)

Would you like to vary your wardrobe colour-wise? If you have a lot of blue already, then you'll have things you can wear with a blue dress, but not so much to go with peach; but then branching out to new colours could reflect your new life!

AndHarry · 21/06/2015 21:35

I have jewellery but no shoes. Seems to be a running theme!

I'd wouldn't mind trying something new but I'd prefer to look lovely rather than different if it's a choice between the two.

I might just order all 3 and see what they're like on.

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poocatcherchampion · 21/06/2015 22:02

Does that mean you got the promotion? Many congrats if so!

Great work op this thread is wonderful. I a little bit want to be you! The skiing and running and singing is joyful!

I'll also include you in my prayers tonight if that is OK, as it is obv not all joyful.

AndHarry · 21/06/2015 22:16

That would be lovely poocatcher, thankyou. You can be me if you can sort out the skin. My bathroom is stocked with half of Boots but it still looks like it belongs to a particularly unfortunate teenager.

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AndHarry · 21/06/2015 22:28

Not yet but my director has asked for the budget to give it to me. I'm not counting my chickens but I'm happy anyway. I stood up and asked and that's great.

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AndHarry · 24/06/2015 14:31

Tax credits have finally come through. They've been back-dated so I've shoved every last penny of that back-payment into savings. Given the uncertainty over the future of child tax credits and child benefit I'm planning for the worst-case scenario i.e. I pay for everything on my salary and child maintenance. It would be tighter than a too-small pair of Spanx and grimmer than a Puritan carnival but do-able.

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AndHarry · 24/06/2015 20:02

On a less grim note, the dresses arrived today. They are all gorgeous but the peach one is the wrong colour for my skin and the blue strapless one doesn't look right either. The blue one with straps is the winner :o I'll have to take the skirt up a bit though as it's puddling on the floor even when I'm I'm heels.

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scallopsrgreat · 24/06/2015 21:27

AndHarry just coming on to give you a sisterly fist bump. You are doing so well. Glad the finances are coming through. Good luck with the promotion and I'll bet you look stunning in the dress!

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Lweji · 24/06/2015 22:07

Small steps.

And you are already showing great wisdom in keeping the back payments as savings.
You will do very well.

mix56 · 24/06/2015 22:08

Life is before you now......enjoy it !

Jux · 25/06/2015 19:07

yay! The blue one with straps was my favourite! Good luck with the promotion.

You are Superwoman! Would you like to rule the world - I'd bet you could if you set your mind to it Grin (and it would probably be a better place too).

AndHarry · 25/06/2015 19:20

Not on days like today! I arrived at nursery to find 2yo DD distraught, STBexH having decided to 'visit' her because he 'missed the kids'. She's been crying on and off all evening :( I took the DC for a picnic at the park and H left a message asking me to call him urgently. The 'urgent' matter was that he wanted to talk to the kids on the phone. He was really put out that we were at the park, talking like it was some kind of crime, and accused me of stopping him from speaking to the DC when I said that DD was upset and it would set her off again if she spoke to him or heard DS talking to him. I was fuming and hung up on him before I said something I'd regret. Got a text a few minutes later:

I can't believe you just the phone down on me! Maybe as you've never had this done to you you don't realise how frustrating and how rude this is. Blocking me from speaking to the children was never discussed, I understand if DD was upset about me going to see her today as it threw her off pattern, I won't do this again. But not allowing me to speak with DS isn't fair as we both know this won't upset him. I don't understand why you are being like this. I thought we could be civil about when we see the children and arrangements for this, they also miss me and it is important that I am in their lives as well, I'm not being selfish and only thinking of myself but also trying to be there for them.

Angry to which I replied...

If you had spoken to DS then DD would have known and been upset again. I'm not going to 'block you from speaking to the children', in fact I've been remarkably accommodating in letting you call, sorting out Father's Day etc. but you need to understand that what is best for them is predictability and routine. I don't expect you to randomly show up just because you feel like it and I do expect you to respect my judgement when on the odd occasion I say that it's not in their best interests to do a call.

So, WIBU to say no to a call?

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CruCru · 25/06/2015 19:33

No, you wouldn't be unreasonable BUT please keep a diary, with screenshots of your text and email exchanges. If / when this goes to court, you may need something to refute any claims that you are blocking his access to the children.

CruCru · 25/06/2015 19:36

Also - do you need to get in touch with the CMS?

AndHarry · 25/06/2015 19:41

Good point, I'll keep screenshots and my itemised bills showing all the calls. I've already put every arrangement we've made in an email and sent it to him so we're on the same page (that was done on Tuesday when I was moving over direct debits to my account).

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AndHarry · 25/06/2015 19:41

I hope not re. CMS. He's agreed to pay the statutory amount so I hope it won't be necessary.

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Lweji · 25/06/2015 23:31

You are absolutely right to keep boundaries and insist on contact arrangements.
Children need routines and reassurance. They don't need surprise visits at nursery with no warning.

And he wants is to wreak havoc. He is not thinking of the children, only himself.

Contact between exH and DS improved and actually became more reliable as I bitched up and forced myself to stick to arrangements, advance warnings and shut communications when they were upsetting DS.
Just as long as you can justify your actions as being in the children's best interest, you will be ok. Get as much evidence as you can. Is the visit logged at nursery?

Oh, and so generous with the statutory CM!

Jux · 26/06/2015 08:58

Yes, as Lweji says, keep as much of a papertrail as you can. If it's not in writing make full notes. But preferably, keep all communications in writing, so email and text. It might work better if you give him a day and time for phone calls - say, Monday, Wednesday and Friday at 6pm; what would work for them and you?

mix56 · 26/06/2015 09:51

So he is missing his children eh ? well its a little bit late having left 3 times if I remember ? that he misses his children, it goes with the package.
He needs to a adjust, as do the kids, so he cannot just rock up if & when he chooses.
Yes keep notes of all the adhoc calls etc. keep the texts...

AndHarry · 27/06/2015 18:57

Just wow. He has now accused me of having an affair, on the grounds that otherwise why would I be moving so fast with the divorce? He also wants to know why I couldn't have done everything that I'm doing now, i.e. everything for the house and children, while he was still here.

I'm so upset and angry. I've just told him to believe whatever he likes and asked him to sign the papers my solicitor has sent him so I can get out of this nightmare marriage.

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Lweji · 27/06/2015 19:11

That accusation is part of the script too.

You could tell him that you'd rather do everything for yourself and the children than for a lazy abusive arse.

But, you should just ignore it. And keep mentioning the divorce papers, as you have done.

Jen1610 · 27/06/2015 19:13

I'd just reply no I most certainly am not having an affair. However it is entirely you and your unreasonable behavior that is making me want a quick divorce. Why take my time. I do admit I had probably already emotionally checked out of the relationship, there is only so much hurt one person can cause you before you unconsciously put barriers up to protect yourself. So why take my time with something I am 100% sure of. Please, let me remind you. You were the one that left. Three times. You again trying to say had I behaved in such a way as I do now then you'd not of left is another way for you to try blame me for this divorce. When it is due to your lying, Setting up dating profiles, hiding financial issues and trying to make out I didn't do enough. Well now I'm not trying to jump through hoops to keep you happy, when quite frankly you didn't deserve it. I now have more head space and time to spend on the house and children. You wanted this. You got it. Don't try to project the blame on to me.

AndHarry · 27/06/2015 20:31

I've pretty much copied & pasted that, couldn't resist Blush He thinks I'm having an affair?! Seriously? Apart from anything else, where would I get the time?

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tribpot · 27/06/2015 20:51

He's pulling out all the stops to try and get you back under control, isn't he?

However, you need to stop engaging with him. It's not productive and keep you in the cycle of drama with him. Unfortunately I think if you put in the bit about having emotionally checked out he will seize on that and say you checked out of the marriage and all his unreasonable behaviour was just a reaction to that. Try to remember that not giving him a reaction will undermine his efforts to get to you far more effectively than any response.