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Am I naive in thinking this MIL problem will change?

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yourday65 · 11/05/2015 19:21

Myself and DP are both 30 and have been together very happily for 2.5 years, and lived together for one. I recently got offered a new job, which is essential for me to move up the ladder in a very competitive industry. DP supports this job, and has said he wants to move together in between the two locations of our jobs. Where we currently are would mean I would have to move and after some discussion, he said he would want to - it's not far, about 50 minutes from where we currently are, so adding to his current commute by an extra 20 mins. He also loves his job, and regularly travels, which he enjoys. I find his regular travel hard sometimes, but fully, fully support him in it.

Since living together, I started to notice some strange behaviour from DP's mum. I had been 'warned' about her by her ex-husband and his partner, but I took it with a pinch of salt - they had a messy divorce over 14 years ago and it's never been amicable, particularly on his mum's side. That's the background.

DP's mum contacts DP everyday, and the content is often in email, detailing about her day, what she has bought, a photo of something relevant etc. DP generally shows me these and will say 'look what mum's...xyz.' I've noticed that the emails never contain any mention of me and DP as a couple - it is literally as if I do not exist. And I don't mean that I should be top of the list of conversation! But when there is actual discussion about the weekend, his friends, his work and his plans for the week, it becomes all the more of a 'thing' that there is no acknowledgement that I am part of his life. I have mentioned this to DP and he says that's just what she is like.

Initially I tried to have a positive relationship with this woman. At the beginning we emailed and chatted and she was pleasant enough. However, on one occasion I turned to answer her (seating arrangement was such that I sort of had my back to her), and she was literally glaring at me - without sounding over the top, it was chilling.

Another occasion, right before DP was due to go away on a particularly long trip, she called up and asked to see DP the day before he left. That was fine. She then asked DP what he was doing that evening, and he said we were going to the theatre to have some time together before he left. She went crazy...screamed and shouted at him and said we were leaving her out, said I never left my DP alone and 'followed' him around...no idea what that was in relation to. That was the first time that I realised that she had a nasty side to her.

So today's issue...she's told my DP that he shouldn't move with me to accommodate my new job. She's told him it will affect his job and that he should remain independent from me and that this is his 'chance to live alone,' which 'every young man should do.' (Before me he lived with friends). DP told me about this. His mum started speaking to him and sending him housing details about even buying a place (we are currently saving for somewhere). This was a huge shock to me - as far as I was aware, DP's mum knew we were very happy and I don't know why she would say these things. I have never forced my DP into anything and always support him - this response from her seems unfounded and odd.

Other issues I have noticed: DP in tears when his mum fell out with a close friend...DP sending mum flowers when he went to see his dad because 'she was upset.' DP's mum telling DP she is scared she is very ill on a regular basis which causes him to worry, DP's mum telling DP that his uncle had died and proceeding to cry for the next 3 hours around a shopping centre without giving one word of support to DP who was very close to his uncle (more so than she was!!). DP's mum asking DP to buy a house with her and live with her. The list goes on.

I have started to feel sad/irritated that this woman seems to have adopted a sort of 'wife' role in relation to my DP. I feel like her behaviour is inappropriate, and this current discussion with my DP about how he shouldn't consider moving to accommodate both of our jobs just seems highly dysfunctional and strange advice for a parent to give? My DP is quite insecure and very indecisive and I am starting to wonder if this is a direct consequence of his mother's influence on him. DP seems oblivious to his mum's actions, though now and again he seems to appreciate that she is inappropriate, though this is rare.

Am I biting off more than I can chew by staying with this man? Friends in RL have warned me of the danger of having a relationship with a man with a difficult MIL figure... am I being unfair in thinking she is being difficult in the first place, or am I being naive in thinking this will get better?

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magoria · 11/05/2015 19:28

The only way it will get better is if your DP stops his mother.

Can you honestly see him doing so?

Would he go with counselling so that you can discuss his mother's actions with a neutral third party in the hopes he sees this?

I would plan on moving by yourself for your career. If he comes it is a bonus, if he doesn't then you know where you stand.

yourday65 · 11/05/2015 19:30

Not really as he seems to have some kind of guilt whenever she is upset, like he is responsible for her happiness.

I just don't know if his mum is behaving normally and I'm being over-sensitive?

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Notfastjustfurious · 11/05/2015 19:30

Wow. Sorry op but this won't get better unless your dp wants it too and it doesn't sound like he's even noticed. I think you need a very full and frank discussion about this before you buy property/get married and especially have children.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 11/05/2015 19:34

You have written about him before haven't you and quite recently as well.

Why do you put up with this at all from him and by turn his attendant mother?. Do you at heart think you deserve no better in a relationship?.

yourday65 · 11/05/2015 19:37

Attila yes - I guess part of me wonders if I'm being over-sensitive, as opposed to his MIL being inappropriate? He doesnt seem to see that how she behaves is wrong, so perhaps it's me being over the top? I'm just lost and cant help feeling like her views are highly dysfunctional.

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mrsmeerkat · 11/05/2015 19:37

Oh my goodness op. Think very carefully. This is awful. My thoughts here are that this could work once dp realises what is happening himself

Could you take a break for a while and take your time. Gently explain to him that you don't feel you can live like this. I have a mother who is a bit like this myself and if I could run for the hills I would.

I would also spell it out to him that you don't want your private life or decisions discussed with her.

yourday65 · 11/05/2015 19:38

mrsmeerkat am I being too sensitive here? DP doesnt seem to notice it so it's making me wonder if it's just me looking for problems...

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HootyMcTooty · 11/05/2015 19:40

Have you posted about this before? What advice did you receive then?

My worry here is that your DP sees no problem with her behaviours and panders to her. Your problem will be a DP one not a MIL one.

SanityClause · 11/05/2015 19:42

Your DP doesn't notice, because to him, this is normal. It's all he knows.

It's not normal to you, because it's not normal for a mother to be like this.

Can you live with it? Because it sounds like you will have to, if you want to stay with your DP.

littlejessie · 11/05/2015 19:43

Take it from me - this is not going to change! My DD's dad had an eerily similar relationship with his mother - fraught with jealousy, resentment and manipulation. Almost a creepy kind of marriage in a way. He was a complete mess underneath and it was absolutely impossible to have a real relationship with him.

Beachlovingirl · 11/05/2015 19:43

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Meerka · 11/05/2015 19:45

good grief no you're not being oversensitive!!!

Am I biting off more than I can chew by staying with this man? Stark choice: get him to grow up and cut the stifling, stifling apron strings or get out. One or the other for a mentally and emotionally healthy life. That stark.

Also, don't don't don't don't don't have children with him. His mother almost rules his life now. Can you imagine what she'll be like if darling son has a baby?! It won't be yours. it'll be hers. If you split up with him after the baby comes she'll still have a lot of time with the baby unless you move far away, because your DP will have to go and see her a lot.

If your DP is willing to, he can actually break free. Try reading a book called Toxic Parents by Susan Forward. it's great. It'll take a very long time for him really to realise what's happening though. The first step is that he's got to be able to say No to her, and also to make the point that YOU EXIST IN HIS LIFE too. right now, he's totally lost in the FOG (fear, obligation and guilt; very unhealthy it is too).

No, you're not overreacting. Your common sense is shouting at you.

Cocolepew · 11/05/2015 19:47

No you definitely aren't being over sensitive.

TheMagnificientFour · 11/05/2015 19:48

No no and no. You are NOT over sensitive!
Your DP doesn't see it because it has become so normal to him that it has become 'his' normal rather than something strange. Remember that for the last 30 years he has seen her in action, a lot of those years, he won't have questioned it and considered it normal.

Your MIL sounds manipulative and no it won't stop unless HE is telling her to stop. And this is not going to be a smooth thing. Except a lot of tears, not talking to you and her telling him it's all your fault and that you are a nasty person.

I have no idea if you can fight that tbh :(

monkina · 11/05/2015 19:48

This doesn't sound normal, for want of a better word!

She sounds suffocating and way too intense, not a healthy relationship between mother & son.

I agree that the situation will only change if your boyfriend makes it change, I.e being firmer with her, and withdrawing some of the emotional support.

If its bad now, imagine how hard it might be if you two ever have kids together?...she might try and cause problems for you. Your boyfriend needs to see that the dynamics between them are inappropriate, and stand back a bit, in my opinion.

Good luck! ?

CitySnicker · 11/05/2015 19:50

So has he definitely decided to move half way now?
Still time to change his mind again, no? That would solve your problem....or would u just put up and shut up again?
Sounds like a very similar situation to Seoladair's. Narc mum, wet husband.

mrsmeerkat · 11/05/2015 19:51

My gut feeling is... run for the hills. I think you need a break from him and sorry to be so harsh. Unless he sees her behaviour as wrong you haven't a hope making it work

I am not normally so opionated but my own mother acts like this

Baddz · 11/05/2015 19:53

Wow.
Run for the hills.

nicenewdusters · 11/05/2015 19:59

I don't think you're being naive, just overly optimistic in the face of overwhelming evidence ! Your MIL will not change. You cannot change her, nor should you attempt to. Your dp cannot change her. He can only learn to recognise that her behaviour is inappropriate and will damage any relationship he has with you or future partners.

You can point out, gently, to him what you have observed over the time you have known him. You can tell him how her actions - and his responses - are making you feel. The rest is up to him. If he can stand by you now, whilst still maintaining a relationship with his mother, then you have a future. You are not an intermediary in their relationship, leave them to it.

I would take the job, plan that he'll move with you and if he doesn't.....that's your answer.

honeyroar · 11/05/2015 20:05

I Think that the easy answer will come over whether he decides to move away to help your commute. He will be choosing to stay within his mother's clutches or putting you first.. Personally I would find life with her in the background impossible and would be moving hundreds of miles away!

Mitzimaybe · 11/05/2015 20:06

You are not over-sensitive or over-reacting. It's not normal, but it's all he's known, which is why he doesn't see it as odd. Basically it's going to come down to him choosing between the two of you - I can't see any half way house or compromise that will work. If he won't be firm with her and stick up for you then I'm afraid you have no future with this man - or only a very miserable one where you are always subject to her whims and spite.

Bluetrews25 · 11/05/2015 20:10

This umbilical cord needs cutting.
Is he prepared to do it?
Think things through carefully - great advice on here as ever.

GoatsDoRoam · 11/05/2015 20:22

You are not being over-sensitive.

Yes, your DP does feel responsible for her, because that's what she's raised him to do.

You are an obstacle to her, one that needs to be removed. And she will not let up. Why should she? She wants your DP for herself, her emotional need (dysfunction) is all-consuming. You are the enemy, keeping her from exclusive access to her emotional supply (= your DP).

Your DP did not ask to be warped by this woman, but sadly, it's now his responsibility to put her in her place. If he can't or won't, then you will continue to be miserable, as she continues interfere with your life, seek to destroy you, and divert all your DP's energy and focus.

This is extremely hard to do, as he has no practice at standing up for himself. If he can't even see that he should, though, you're better off cutting your losses now.

I'm really sorry. It's not fair, he's probably a very kind and giving man (...he's been raised to give and never take...), but if he's a kind and giving man without a backbone, you will never be able to have a happy partnership with him, as his first priority will always be to placate his mother.

You can read Susan Forward's "Toxic In-Laws" for more insight, and advice.

QuintShhhhhh · 11/05/2015 20:29

No, you are not oversensitive.

Can you imagine her behaviour if you should get married? Have children?

I would think very carefully.

Her behaviour, no their behaviour is not normal.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 11/05/2015 20:32

No you are not over sensitive at all.

He is completely enmeshed with his mother and their relationship is dysfunctional. Your man will not change unless he does himself manage to free himself from her unhealthy influence. He shows no signs of doing that or even wanting to do that currently. He may never free himself of her malign influence.