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er... decision time? (please help me unscramble my brain *LONG*)

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Handywoman · 05/05/2015 18:48

Background: I left a long and emotionally abusive marriage 2 years ago. I've been in weekly therapy for over a year and have changed and grown immeasurably in that time in confidence and self-knowledge. I have a very happy home (redecorated) with 2 very settled dd (11 and 9) and have gone from being full of pain and hurt and anger and hatred towards the ex to generally feeling very 'meh' about him. He's a crap dad but does what he needs to do in order for me to work (in a job I enjoy) and spend time with great friends etc. I've gone from years of zero self-care and denial of all feelings to having a life which is much more balanced and where I know what I need. In short, I'm finally 'me'.

OK so I've been seeing a rather marvellous chap for 8+ months. He is a billion times more a man my ex ever was. He has a dd similar in age to one of my dd. I feel he pretty much sees me in the all the ways I was never seen in my marriage. In terms of our 'world view' of kids and how they fit into our lives we sing from the very same hymn sheet. He is grown up, solvent, very empathic, considerate, proactive, interested in the world and likes to 'do stuff' plan trips, get outside etc. He is very respectful and considerate of my kids and gives me all the space I need to spend time with them, and thinks of this above 'our' needs. He has allowed me to work through my stuff with my ex without ever getting overly involved or indicating that the subject of him is a burden or off-limits. In short he is a breathtakingly brilliant human being.

Emotionally we are very 'together', I admire him, in how he approaches his work, we love spending time together, the sex is amazing and wonderful (although, if I'm brutally honest, the physical sexual compatibility is there and he has a fab slim athletic body, I don't actually find him physically attractive looks-wise - so the sexual connection is emotional - totally weird and very close but not something I've ever experienced before). I think because there is a deep level of emotional trust which I have never had.

His parenting approach and that of his ex are a billion miles away from mine: I'm a very laid back/instinctive parent, I pick, pick, pick, my battles but also fight like a rottweiler for my dc needs (they both have mild SN) expect my dc to be very independent but don't sweat the small stuff or some of the medium stuff - he is the opposite in that he's quite formal and overly attentive/less intuitive and more old fashioned with his dd. Because of this I would never live with him it would give me the rage. Things between us are very emotionally close, and serious, although there is no plan to live together. He is utterly committed to me, and would 'marry me tomorrow' (aint gonna happen, obvs).

My concern, is, he is quite a 'formal person' and due to this, his sense of humour is overly adult and due to his very 'formal' ways, his age difference +8yrs stands out a mile to me, he is sort of from a different generation from me. His communication style around my dc was wonderful and respectful in the beginning. But now that we've been together a while, he hasn't relaxed it (it's who he is) and when the kids are around, things aren't as 'easy going' as they should be. My eldest dd finds him 'a bit weird' because she's grown up in a very relaxed parenting atmosphere. Socially, with me, his doesn't really get my dry sense of humour. I went to a party the other day and, although I don't see my mates that often (we are all busy with families, blah blah blah) the disconnect was clear and I could see that he will never sort of 'let go' of this formal persona to click with me and my mates (who are lovely but are laid back) socially and this makes me very 'conscious' of him around my friends. I think he moves in a world which is basically more moneyed and 'proper' but more superficial (feels awful saying that) after his divorce his friendships all dissolved leaving him quite alone. Where as I'm more grounded with really good, solid, longterm friendships and connections (I am sounding a bit up my arse, here.... eek).

I am starting to think that maybe this relationship is going to run its course, I'm starting to get the fear. GULP. And maybe I should tell him now, to make it less painful. Should I end it for his sake? Or should I tell him I don't really see a longterm future and see if he is ok with something more casual? (I don't think he can really do casual, if I'm honest). Or shall I see where it goes??? I think a big thing for me is being able to have a relationship with someone who my kids are 'easy' around. But we have wonderful times together when we're alone, he's an incredible support to me, I trust him implicitly and he's great to spend time with on long walks, weekends away, etc. even if he doesn't get my sense of humour Sad I would miss him horribly if we weren't together. Losing someone like him would be awful after my shitty EA marriage. But should I grow a pair and let him go??? Sad Sad Sad Sad

Feeling all up in the air, and appreciate sage advice of all wise MN'ers, please.

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katiebrusby · 06/05/2015 08:49

It sounds as if eventually it may run its course but i dont think u should leave him for that!

My oh is very different to me socially and has never really been a part of MY social circle nor i his but thats ok cos wev kind of grown one together of people we both get on with and find compatible with both our interests iyswim?!

If u do end up staying with this perdon u may find that a blessing in th future!! Just enjoyvwhat u have now

pocketsaviour · 06/05/2015 08:56

Don't think OP sounds up herself!! Way harsh! It's not a bad thing that she understands her own needs and wants, and that she can be objective about the relationship. Hmm

I was going to come back last night and say, if he is a little bit socially awkward he might come over very formal if he's meeting large groups of your friends, OP. He may come over more relaxed if he is just meeting one or two people at once. I personally find it very difficult to socialise in large groups and I would probably come across a bit stiff and formal if dropped into that environment!

BitOutOfPractice · 06/05/2015 09:01

Pocket it was the OP herself who said she sounded up her own arse!

pocketsaviour · 06/05/2015 09:13

Oops! In that case I retract my Hmm although I still don't think she does sound up herself! Grin (or maybe I just have a much higher bar for being up yourself?)

saturnvista · 06/05/2015 09:15

I think you sound as if it hasn't occurred to you to really care about him. Your considerations are very much weighted towards whether or not it will enhance your life to have this man around. But a solid relationship is one in which you care very much about your ability to bring happiness to the other person. Although you clearly appreciate him hugely in one sense, there's another feeling coming through your OP that you have essentially dismissed him as 'odd' - and you think that will be inconvenient in the long run. I would hazard a guess that this feeling will only make your DP more awkward and odd as he picks up on it. I also think that your 'laid back' wonderful friends are not the gold standard for social connection and he doesn't have to be shallow not to 'get' them. They don't get him; he doesn't get them - you're all just different. Perhaps this differs from person to person, but I also don't see how you can be in an intimate, sexual relationship with someone while also knowing that you'd never live with or marry them because of their personality. Surely the potential for real growth is quite limited? It would be only fair to check that he knows exactly where he stands on this, and why, in case it isn't enough for him.

Ultimately, if a relationship is only a convenient accessory to bring a bit of added value to your life, one person will always come with enough drawbacks to make it not worth the effort. Love is different.

abitwrong123 · 06/05/2015 09:15

I think you should let him go, I agree with everything Bit said.

It almost sounds like you feel he is lucky to have you. Nothing wrong with that but you do seem to be using him a little to enhance your own happiness whilst disregarding his.

I think you're enjoying being with a decent man but this is not the right man for you. He has helped rebuild your confidence with men again but it's unfair to keep him hanging on when you're simply not that into him.
I don't think you would be upset about losing him if you broke up, i think you would be more upset about losing the trapping that go with him if you see what i mean. Ie nice days out, walks, decent sex etc. You can have all of that with someone you're compatible with.

Anniegetyourgun · 06/05/2015 09:19

Do you know what? I'd be more worried if a guy was really comfortable around my kids after a very few short months. Presumably you don't see him all day every day and when you do your DC aren't always there, so he doesn't really know them inside out. Plus if he doesn't know many children with SN he may be a bit (unnecessarily) wary of doing the wrong thing around them. Even if they met him on Day 2 and you'd been practically in each other's pockets the whole time, it's only been 8 months for goodness' sake and they aren't his kids! He shouldn't be fun dad at this point IMO. (Or maybe I just have my own territorial issues...)

I also don't see anything wrong with him not integrating with your friends who you've presumably known for ages so you all "get" each other. Introduce a new bod and it is bound to take some time to really get on their wavelength, if he ever does; and as katiebrusby rightly says, how necessary is it that he belongs in your friendship group? You say your ex blended quickly into your social circle - that turned out well, didn't it? Oh wait...

If there is a red flag around friendships it's not so much that he doesn't fit in with yours (after what, a couple of meetings?), it's that he doesn't have any of his own. That could be because most of his friends were couple friends, as it were, which took a hit from the divorce; but it bears watching. If he says anything like "we don't need friends as long as we have each other," run away very fast!

In conclusion: you're probably overthinking at this stage. Is there a rush for either of you to couple up for life? If so, then you might be said to be stringing him along. But I don't see what's wrong with having a nice mutually supportive relationship which is not necessarily going anywhere at this stage of your lives. As long as neither of you is deceiving the other it's all good IMO.

BitOutOfPractice · 06/05/2015 09:25

pocket you've got a bar high up your arse? Sounds painful! Wink

Anniegetyourgun · 06/05/2015 09:37

Could be a Mars bar; I heard some people like that kind of thing.

BitOutOfPractice · 06/05/2015 09:38

Annie I don't thhink that goes up the arse does it? I'm off to google Marianne Faithful Mars Bar

Christinayangstwistedsister · 06/05/2015 09:41

What a waste of a good Mars bar!

Lubberlubber · 06/05/2015 12:15

I don't think you sound up yourself. You give lots of good advice on here and have done for quite a long time now. I think that, put together with a lengthy period of counselling plus a naturally more objective and analytical approach after a past EA marriage have maybe skewed this for you.

As PP said you sound like you are over thinking it. To me, it sounds like you have gone through every pro and con and potential pitfall in your head and have already made massive negative decisions re cohabiting and marriage much too prematurely.

None of it seems based on feelings and I think no matter how much you've been burnt in the past, or how hyper aware you have become about your needs and red-flags or how jaded and wise you are from dolling out advice, you've still got to feel a bit hearts and flowers-ish. IMO anyway.

If you really like this bloke, friends will accept him, children will grow to love him in time etc.

That said if you really know you would never marry him or move in with him because you just don't love him, and that is something you or he would want, the fair thing to do is cut him loose.

Lubberlubber · 06/05/2015 12:24

Grrrr...I don't think I explained myself very well...I'm trying to say that to me, you don't sound like you're "in" the relationship.

You're very keen to point out you are sorted and in a good position personally which is great and are the pre-requisites in counselling and on Mumsnet, but you're objectifying everything and scrutinising it rather than just feeling whether or not you love the guy. If you don't game over, if you do, crack on

mix56 · 06/05/2015 12:44

Are you hoping to find Prince Charming?
It sounds like he is lovely, supportive, solvent, "adult", good sex, & loves you.
I don't see why you have to rush to decide if he is 100% compatible, Is anyone 100% compatible ?

Handywoman · 06/05/2015 18:11

My shitty EA marriage was something I got into after falling 'head over heels' and feeling 100% sure about a man who turned out to be an emotionally immature, entitled idiot.

Nowadays I think I've made some sort of emotional pact with myself to disregard whether I feel 'in love' or not or what.

I have been feeling pretty smitten with the guy, since we spent a wonderful couple of weekends away, during which I
felt like yes, I've fallen for him. I don't want to be apart from him. That also frustrated me because I know that living together is not an option right now. I didn't feel happy about that either (I don't want to spend my life pining after someone). I care hugely about the man, he does something very special to me, emotionally, that I've never had before, and it's wonderful. I've just been questioning it suddenly after what my dd said.

I think that nowadays I'm thinking that love is an undefinable and utterly unreliable 'thing' and a totally useless guide, because of how my marriage turned out. So I'm not using that as a barometer.

I'm a bit messed up I think..... But very grateful for the responses here.

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holdyourown · 06/05/2015 19:28

I completely get where you're coming from OP, and after an EA marriage with similar sounding start to yours I question every new relationship to the nth degree too and have not got beyond a year with anyone. No help but just wanted you to know you're not alone in feeling this way Flowers
If you like him enough to continue, which it sounds like you do, maybe go with the flow and re-assess in 6 months say?
Do you blame yourself for choosing EA spouse, as that's what I do, then think I mustn't do that again. Remember that part of the blame in fact lies with EA spouse too. Plus you can't know everything in advance, it is a leap of faith to some degree.

Handywoman · 06/05/2015 20:07

Thanks hold Thanks I definitely blame myself for sleepwalking into an EA marriage. I totally believe I have to ensure 100% that nothing has the potential to hurt me that way again.

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