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er... decision time? (please help me unscramble my brain *LONG*)

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Handywoman · 05/05/2015 18:48

Background: I left a long and emotionally abusive marriage 2 years ago. I've been in weekly therapy for over a year and have changed and grown immeasurably in that time in confidence and self-knowledge. I have a very happy home (redecorated) with 2 very settled dd (11 and 9) and have gone from being full of pain and hurt and anger and hatred towards the ex to generally feeling very 'meh' about him. He's a crap dad but does what he needs to do in order for me to work (in a job I enjoy) and spend time with great friends etc. I've gone from years of zero self-care and denial of all feelings to having a life which is much more balanced and where I know what I need. In short, I'm finally 'me'.

OK so I've been seeing a rather marvellous chap for 8+ months. He is a billion times more a man my ex ever was. He has a dd similar in age to one of my dd. I feel he pretty much sees me in the all the ways I was never seen in my marriage. In terms of our 'world view' of kids and how they fit into our lives we sing from the very same hymn sheet. He is grown up, solvent, very empathic, considerate, proactive, interested in the world and likes to 'do stuff' plan trips, get outside etc. He is very respectful and considerate of my kids and gives me all the space I need to spend time with them, and thinks of this above 'our' needs. He has allowed me to work through my stuff with my ex without ever getting overly involved or indicating that the subject of him is a burden or off-limits. In short he is a breathtakingly brilliant human being.

Emotionally we are very 'together', I admire him, in how he approaches his work, we love spending time together, the sex is amazing and wonderful (although, if I'm brutally honest, the physical sexual compatibility is there and he has a fab slim athletic body, I don't actually find him physically attractive looks-wise - so the sexual connection is emotional - totally weird and very close but not something I've ever experienced before). I think because there is a deep level of emotional trust which I have never had.

His parenting approach and that of his ex are a billion miles away from mine: I'm a very laid back/instinctive parent, I pick, pick, pick, my battles but also fight like a rottweiler for my dc needs (they both have mild SN) expect my dc to be very independent but don't sweat the small stuff or some of the medium stuff - he is the opposite in that he's quite formal and overly attentive/less intuitive and more old fashioned with his dd. Because of this I would never live with him it would give me the rage. Things between us are very emotionally close, and serious, although there is no plan to live together. He is utterly committed to me, and would 'marry me tomorrow' (aint gonna happen, obvs).

My concern, is, he is quite a 'formal person' and due to this, his sense of humour is overly adult and due to his very 'formal' ways, his age difference +8yrs stands out a mile to me, he is sort of from a different generation from me. His communication style around my dc was wonderful and respectful in the beginning. But now that we've been together a while, he hasn't relaxed it (it's who he is) and when the kids are around, things aren't as 'easy going' as they should be. My eldest dd finds him 'a bit weird' because she's grown up in a very relaxed parenting atmosphere. Socially, with me, his doesn't really get my dry sense of humour. I went to a party the other day and, although I don't see my mates that often (we are all busy with families, blah blah blah) the disconnect was clear and I could see that he will never sort of 'let go' of this formal persona to click with me and my mates (who are lovely but are laid back) socially and this makes me very 'conscious' of him around my friends. I think he moves in a world which is basically more moneyed and 'proper' but more superficial (feels awful saying that) after his divorce his friendships all dissolved leaving him quite alone. Where as I'm more grounded with really good, solid, longterm friendships and connections (I am sounding a bit up my arse, here.... eek).

I am starting to think that maybe this relationship is going to run its course, I'm starting to get the fear. GULP. And maybe I should tell him now, to make it less painful. Should I end it for his sake? Or should I tell him I don't really see a longterm future and see if he is ok with something more casual? (I don't think he can really do casual, if I'm honest). Or shall I see where it goes??? I think a big thing for me is being able to have a relationship with someone who my kids are 'easy' around. But we have wonderful times together when we're alone, he's an incredible support to me, I trust him implicitly and he's great to spend time with on long walks, weekends away, etc. even if he doesn't get my sense of humour Sad I would miss him horribly if we weren't together. Losing someone like him would be awful after my shitty EA marriage. But should I grow a pair and let him go??? Sad Sad Sad Sad

Feeling all up in the air, and appreciate sage advice of all wise MN'ers, please.

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Quitelikely · 05/05/2015 20:09

Having said that if I was in your shoes I would love to live separately from my partner, keep him separate from the children, not all the time obviously and just enjoy the relationship until the dc were mini adults then consider moving in together.

Mid you've had a rough time for all those years there's no harm in keeping this man but not involving him too deeply in your family setup.

Moving in together is soooo over rated!

Handywoman · 05/05/2015 20:11

You're right, antimatter I am very defensive of the dc and their world and any changes that arise. Thanks for that.

LineRunner no not meaningless, I don't think. He knows that moving in together is not an option but would like to if circumstances were different.

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Handywoman · 05/05/2015 20:12

These posts are really helping me to think about things, btw

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Quitelikely · 05/05/2015 20:15

if this man is as wonderful as you have described then I say hang onto him.

Not move him in. Just continue things.

He sounds great and the perfect package doesn't exist. So he might not be setting your heart racing but truly he is letting you be who you are and encouraging great things for you.

I know others here have doubts but I've seen enough horror stories to know he's a great catch. By all means dump him if you become miserable but I don't think you are at the moment.

Just enjoy him.....'

Handywoman · 05/05/2015 20:56

So he might not be setting your heart racing but truly he is letting you be who you are and encouraging great things for you.

Yes that's it. In a nutshell, I think..... I do have a tendency to default to 'BAIL OUT' when things aren't cut-and-dried.... I need to stop this tendency..... and keep on with the counselling!!!!!

At last I have something else to discuss with her than my ex - hurray Smile

Wine
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holdyourown · 05/05/2015 22:04

It does sound as if you don't really fancy him tbh - do you see that being a potential problem in the future? (for example when you meet other people you do fancy, just in life generally.)
I wouldn't worry too much about his stiffness around dcs so long as you don't move him in or anything. But dcs and your friends have all described him as odd - do you find him odd?

Handywoman · 05/05/2015 22:13

I don't find him odd, just his formal communication style and different sense of humour, as Ive said above. As we got to know each other the attraction has been on a more emotional level than the physical. Sexually we are very compatible plus on loads of other ways. I'm just wondering what to make of the issues.

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Roseformeplease · 05/05/2015 22:19

Maybe he is not Mr Right but he might be Mr Right for now and, if he makes you happy and you enjoy his company, then let things run their course. No one is perfect!

Carlywurly · 05/05/2015 22:27

Op, I'm in a similar position but a few years on and I'm still not sure. We're humour compatible and he gets on with my friends but I'm still so aware of any incompatibilities - he can get flustered easily and hates change, I'm more laid back and go with the flow. For many reasons (some beyond his control) he can't be as practically helpful as I would like in a partner.

I go backwards and forwards wondering if I'm compromising. The many good things have been too good to end it though. And the dcs adore him.

I wonder if for me, it's still the fear instilled by xh. And whether that will ever really go. It's a tough one. I think for you, it's a case of time will tell. It might run its course after the initial passion fades or you might become more compatible with time.

Handywoman · 05/05/2015 22:29

That's such a lovely post, Carlywurly, thank you.

Thanks
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Christinayangstwistedsister · 05/05/2015 22:32

Are you happy?

Handywoman · 05/05/2015 22:33

Yep! I certainly am!

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Handywoman · 05/05/2015 22:34

Sorry was that question for CW?

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Christinayangstwistedsister · 05/05/2015 22:37

No you op, well just relax and enjoy if there comes a time where the odd outweighs the good then you have your answer

BitOutOfPractice · 05/05/2015 22:38

Two things stand out to me

  1. You don't fancy him
  2. He doesn't get your humour

At 8 months in both of those would be deal breakers for me

And yes, sorry, you do sound a bit "up your own arse" and pretentious. I think you need to let him go. As much for his sake as yours

BitOutOfPractice · 05/05/2015 22:47

And add to that incompatible parenting styles and...well, sorry, I'd be calling it a day

beaglesaresweet · 05/05/2015 22:51

Bit is spot on in in both of her posts, imo.

cailindana · 06/05/2015 07:19

I have to agree with Bit too. I think you should break up with him for his sake. You don't find him physically attractive, you think his friends are shallow, your friends think he's an oddball and you insult him with your 'humour.' You don't like his parenting style and have no intention of marrying him. He sounds like an earnest, caring guy with low self esteem and some social awkwardness who's very giving and looking for something special. You sound like some with a high opinion of themselves who's enjoying taking advantage of his good nature while at the same time having a giggle with your 'grounded' friends about how 'odd' he is. Poor guy. If he were posting on here we'd all tell him to run. Get your head out of your arse and either properly appreciate him or break up with him and let him find somebody genuine and kind.

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Handywoman · 06/05/2015 08:07

Calindana you are utterly, utterly, utterly, wide of the mark. It is difficult to convey this stuff by text. I don't wish this to descend into people deciding I'm someone with a very high opinion of myself, because that's just bullcrap, frankly.

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Yikesivedoneitagain · 06/05/2015 08:14

I'm with Bit - it's all a little self indulgent. You're full of recognising your own needs, which probably came last on the list when you were with your ex - and this recognition is important. But this guy has needs, too.

Yikesivedoneitagain · 06/05/2015 08:15

But I don't think you sound 'up your own arse' - you just sound like someone very aware of their own needs. Not a bad thing, but I would advise you to now think about his.

BitOutOfPractice · 06/05/2015 08:19

Handy, in summary, this is how your post came across to me.

Iam happy with myself. My life is totally sorted. I have parenting nailed. I have fantastic friends. All in fact, is very marvellous. My bf is great although he's a bit uptight, I don't fancy him, he doesn't get my sense of humour and all my friends find him very odd. In addition, he parents his kids like a Victorian dad. I have no intention of ever committing to him

All that leads me to think: she's just not that into him. Poor guy.

akaWisey · 06/05/2015 08:20

Handy you don't sound up your own arse to me. You come across as someone who's in therapy and is using it so bloody good for you.

As for yon chappie - who knows what'll happen in the future and why should that matter if you make each other happy now? As long as you're honest with him and vice versa you each know where you stand. FWIW how you describe what you have sounds, to me, like the kind of relationship that I'd like if I were looking.

MatildaTheCat · 06/05/2015 08:38

He sounds just fine to me.mits perfectly ok to have differences as well as similarities. The parenting style could be an issue but you don't live together so not so much. He sounds a bit shy and awkward. I bet he loves your more relaxed style, he just can't do it himself. If your friends are kind to him I'm sure that over time he will get more relaxed around them.

Maybe this will go all the way and maybe not but it's only 8months. If you followed the Mumsnet Laws on introducing your dc he won't even know them very well yet. Plus with sn he may be slightly unsure, too. He can't really know them yet.

I think you'd be mad to leave him. He makes you happy.