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Another cheating arsehole..........except this one is my dad :(

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Bogeyface · 22/04/2015 12:02

I have suspected that his friendship with a particular woman was more than just chatting about their shared disability (she has had it for life, his came on in the last 10 years, they met at the clinic they both attend and mum knew they were in touch). She lives a good distance away, he doesnt drive and cant use public transport alone so I am sure there has been no physical contact that mum doesnt know about, but this is definitely an emotional affair.

The landline was always engaged when I rang if mum wasnt there and he would say "oh I must have not put the receiver back properly" every single time. Once or twice ok, but every time? I would pop round and if mum wasnt there he would practically throw me out and again, the landline would be engaged. I know it doesnt sound like much but my dad never uses the phone to chat to anyone, he is the cliche of a man on the phone in that he just uses it for the bare minimum and thats it, hour long calls are not his thing.

A few weeks back he had a real rant at me about mum, stuff that yes is true but the way he was saying it ..... its hard to describe....at the time I thought it was odd but he does get down sometimes and she can be naggy about certain things to do with his health. Sometimes he needs nagging, sometimes she does go on, but he was ranting like she was some complete harridan on his back every second of the day, which simply isnt true. I am there a lot and I know that she isnt like that. Looking back I think this was part of the self justification "Its ok because my wife is a cow who is always nagging me".

Anyway skip to this morning and I get a text message that was clearly meant for the OW. It couldnt have been for mum because a) she was with him as they are on holiday and b) it said (amongst other things) that he missed her. As I say, he is with mum so he wouldnt be saying that, and there is no way it was meant for me as that was not the kind of text you send a daughter. It was explicit or anything, thank god. I was sitting there in shock as it confirmed what I suspected and more, it said that he loved her. :(

Then my phone rings and its him all bright and breezy and asking did I just text him (all confused) and said No, but the message you just sent clearly wasnt for me. Again all confused oh I dont know what that was and I got angry and said "Dont bullshit me, I know whats going on, we will talk when you get back" (later today) and he got serious and said ok and asked me to delete the message. I have screenshot it, saved in 4 places and then deleted the message so mum or my kids dont see it.

I am going to fucking KILL HIM!!!! The bastard.

This would destroy mum, it really would. My sister would go fucking bananas and if my mum found out that I knew she would never trust me again. She was abusive when we were kids, she had severe hormonal problems 3 weeks out of 4 (untreated, the doctors were not sympathetic) and its only really been in the last 7 or 8 years that we have formed any kind of relationship. For the first time I can say that I love her and she loves me, we spend time together and have fun. That will all end if this comes out and she knows I knew. How fucking dare he?! I wont let, I just wont.

I am not going to tell her, I cant tell her, but thats for her sake (and mine) not his. I am going to tell him that I have saved the message, that he ends it with OW and that I am only covering for him ONCE, and thats it. If he doesnt end it or if he starts it up again then I will tell her and I will not be held responsible for the absolute shit storm that will be unleashed.

I am so angry, I am shaking. Have been in tears twice already.

How could he do this?! She is there for him every single day, takes him to all his appointments, drives across the country to get him the best care, advocated for him with the consultant was being a twat, helps him with his meds, got him counselling when he needed it to deal with his disability and actually ENCOURAGED him in his friendship with OW!!! Yes she is a bit of a nag, but sometimes he does need a kick up the arse, his health would be a lot worse if it wasnt for her and he has acknowledged that. He knows he is his own worst enemy, he was diagnosed with COPD and she was really patient about him (finally) giving up smoking even though frankly he was a complete bastard at the time, a fact he does NOT acknowledge.

I cant tell her can I? I dont know what to do, I have to be all bright and breezy when they get back when inside I want to rip his fucking head off and shit down his neck.

Oh and he said on the phone, quite emphatically, that nothing was going on so presumably he is using the defence of "its not cheating, we have never had sex". Wanker probably literally, yuck If its not cheating then a) why do I need to delete the text? b) why did he send it when mum wasnt there (he told me she was coming back when I was on the phone which is when I hung up) c) why is he telling another woman he loves her in a way that is not matey or familial? d) why is he fucking panicking about having sent it to me?

The mans a fucking maggot.

Havent proofread, I need to rant so sorry for typos etc

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Bogeyface · 24/04/2015 08:48

I dont know Goats, I've been thinking about it and I dont know.

The main part would be ending the relationship with OW, from what he texted he appears to have done that but I wont know if I believe him until I see him, thats why I dont want to talk on the phone.

Making it right........as I say, I dont know. He could talk to mum, they could get counselling to deal with what led him to this point but he would need to fess up for that to be honest and productive and I dont think he will do that.

Right now my gut is telling me that "making it right" is sweet talking me so I forget about it and dont tell my mother. I've no proof of that but thats what my instinct is telling me will happen.

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soupmaker · 24/04/2015 09:42

Bogey when I found out I felt as mad as hell and confronting Dad about it made me feel better because I was able to ask some questions and make it clear how our relationship had now changed. I adored my Dad and it felt like my world had caved in, but over time I guess I looked at the bigger picture as Mum and Dad were essentially happily married and had been together for over 40 years at the time I found out.

My advice is don't do anything to hasty. I was all for telling the family what a cheating scumbag Dad was but I am very glad I didn't. The last thing I did for him after he died was clear his mobile of an ancient text message from OW. I hated him for putting me in that position but better that than Mum finding it.

Big hug as I know how hellish you will be feeling. Hope you have a DP or DH you can share with.

Bogeyface · 24/04/2015 10:09

I havent felt the urge to tell anyone, I couldnt do that to mum. I even cancelled seeing my sister so I wasnt tempted to tell her, the less people who know the better. If mum is going to find out it has to come from him.

He rang about half an hour ago and he says he has ended it and that he made a mistake. I told him in no uncertain terms that I wasnt swallowing that crap, a mistake is something you do once, this has been going on for months. I said the first time he crossed the line could have been said to be a mistake, but every time since wasnt so he needs to accept that he did what he did because he wanted to and thought he would get away with it. I also said that if it was a mistake, why did it take me finding out for him to end it? He would have ended it himself before now if that was the case. He kept saying he was sorry, but I suspect its the old one of "Sorry I was caught" and not "Sorry I did it". :(

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LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 24/04/2015 13:53

Well where exactly are you going to go with this, Bogeyface? Some would say that it's never a mistake. It's fine to have an arbitrary speech prepared but have you worked out how 'close to the wire' you're going to take your relationship with your dad? Sounds like there's no forgiveness there from your side - and that's ok, your choice - but you can't re-write his response for him with what you believe he needed to have said.

I am sympathetic, I think you're in a very sad position of knowing but you've said your piece and this is his 'mess' to sort out, not yours. He won't be able to provide a negative, ie. he's said he's ended it, there's nothing else that he can do on that front is there?

I totally understand that you're sad, feel disappointed and let down but to be honest, I wouldn't keep engaging with you on this issue if I were your dad. If there's nothing that he can do to make things right and that after he's told you that he's ended it, you're still disbelieving him then you'll have to crack on with that. Plan your 'escape route' for if/when you stop being angry though.

Bogeyface · 24/04/2015 16:50

I dont really want to talk to him about it now. He has said what he has said, I made my feelings clear and I just want to forget about it (well, I wish I had never known!) but I think he wants to talk to me about it.

I dont know what he wants to say, I wont be able to find out until after the weekend as he will be with Mum all weekend, but in all honesty I dont see the point. Its done now. I wonder if he wants to convince me it is over, but there is no need, I can hardly prove otherwise anyway can I? I have to accept that he is telling the truth, constantly bringing it up isnt going to help.

I am not feeling very forgiving but I think thats partly because of the way he was on the phone, all sad and pathetic and it really angered me for some reason! As if he has no right to be trying get sympathy for how bad he feels, he did this to himself and he needs to deal with it and take it on the chin. I dont feel sorry for him, so I hope he isnt expecting me to.

Its done, he says its over and I just have to take his word for it. I want to just forget it ever happened. By carrying on being angry and him looking all hang dog, Mum is going to know that somethings up and thats the one thing I really want to avoid. I can act like nothings happened in front of her, I just hope he can too.

Its going to be hard though. We used to be so close and I do feel differently now I know this, thats not to say I will hold it against him forever or anything, just that he isnt the person I thought he was. I dont know how our relationship is going to be from now on.

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laurierf · 24/04/2015 17:16

Bogeyface - I've been in exactly the same position (except it was PILs). We didn't say anything even though we didn't believe FIL's minimising and lies about what had gone on up to then (nothing physical apparently and just a harmless flirtationHmm), but we did believe he'd knock it on the head having been caught with his pants down by his DS (it was also a text meant for the OW). Unfortunately we were wrong and he left for OW a couple of months later. I'm still not sure whether we should have said something or not. We did once he'd gone and MIL's anger was all directed at FIL and not at DH at all - she was understanding that DH was trying to think about what was best for her and furious that he'd been put in that position. I guess you have to just give it some time and see whether you think he really has ended it and whether it would ever develop into something that would see him leaving. We lived too far away to spend any time with them but his behaviour would have given him away if we had been there.

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