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Will it ever be the same, or at least better?

33 replies

RedSkittles · 15/04/2015 19:18

Hi,

My husband had an affair with a colleague, and friend of ours, (one who had been after him for years) whilst I was pregnant and after the birth of my son, until I found out. It lasted almost seven months, and involved four sexual encounters at three month intervals (one in May, one in August and two, close together, in December), kissing on a few other occasions and lots of messages back and forth, some of which I read (he e-mailed the conversations to an e-mail account I have access to?!). There were no planned dates, rather she took advantage of circumstances e.g. the Christmas party, after work drinks and he, the weak and stupid, and ill (more on this below), man that he is, went along with it.

I have posted on here before regarding the affair, and while I am grateful for the replies they were mainly along the lines of "leave the cheating bastard", "you deserve better" etc, which was not particularly helpful. It was a black and white response, while life is grey. There is no excuse for what my husband chose to do, but there is, at least in his case, understanding, compassion and, potentially, forgiveness. Humans are fallible and my husband is, irrespective of what happened, a good man. This was totally out of character for him and has left absolutely everyone speechless (his mother once said, on her life, that he was incapable of cheating!). The cynics think I am stupid, have no self respect and the such, but I am an attractive, successful and, still, confident woman. I am not taking my husbands cheating personally. It was, for the most part, problems with him, rather than me. He was, depressed (he says that he felt worthless, that I did not love him and that as such, there was no point to our marriage, in anything in fact i.e. job, friends and family).

I do however acknowledge that our marriage also had its problems, some of which were my fault and some of which were his e.g. lack of communication.

Finally, I guess it helps that he obviously did his utmost best to stop the affair (which is why it was more of a string of ad hoc encounters, rather than a full blown affair with planned rendezvous), but that she was, as our couple's therapist put it, incessant (so incessant that even once I found out she still, and I pity her for her complete lack of self respect and worth, refused to back off and we had to write to her parents for help). This despite the fact that my husband made her no promises, in fact quite the opposite i.e. he continually said it was a mistake and can never happen again, that he loved his wife and wanted to make his marriage work and out in place boundaries regarding their contact, which obviously were not always successful (the joys of drink). She is also a little crazy, in that her delusions show a very emotionally unstable and damaged woman. The lack of an remorse also leaves me cold. Either way, I pity rather than am angry at her. My husband treated her as best he could in the circumstances and she continually took advantage of that. More fool him.

Needless to say, I may understand, feel compassion and will, one day, forgive for my own sake. Whether our marriage works in the long term is, however, a separate question.

He has taken full responsibility for his actions, is remorseful, riddled with guilt and is doing absolutely everything humanly possible to keep me from leaving/to make our marriage work, better even. He is in individual counsel (he started this whilst the affair was going on, to make sense of why he was acting in such a self destructive matter, and it was his therapist that told him he was severely depressed), we both are, and we are also in couples counselling. I acknowledge that he can do no more.

The problem is with me. I deeply care for him and find myself looking after him, worrying about him..., despite what he did. I do not think there is any doubt, therefore, that I love him. The thing is I do not trust him. I do not think he'll have another affair anytime soon, but he is I guess weaker than I thought and capable of lying if it serves his purpose. He is I guess not the person I thought he was. I think I put him on a bit of a pedestal. I think everyone did... I have also lost some respect for him. Finally, I do not feel safe in our relationship, or free for want of a better word. The aforementioned is worrying me more and more.

My question is to those who have experienced an affair, either directly or indirectly. - Will I ever be happy, will our marriage ever be the same i.e. good or even better... Is there any point or should I jump ship now?

Thank you in advance for your responses.

I feel so alone in this. Affairs are usually kept secret, and I am quite young (we were the first to get married and have kids), so I have no one to turn to that has experience of this.

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Marmaladybird · 15/04/2015 19:26

It won't get better or heal until you hold him responsible for what HE did and stop acting like his mother. Sorry if that sounds harsh but if you seriously believe he was coerced into it, you are deluded.

Make him accountable so you can forgive him and move on (with him or without). My DP was depressed too. Said I was too good for him, lost his job, twice, etc etc. It's not an excuse to sleep with someone else though.

We got past it but we wouldn't have stood a chance if I acted like you are now. Seriously, get a grip if you want things to improve.

I know that sounds harsh, but you seem as though you need to hear it. I'm not trying to make you feel bad.

Pinktartan · 15/04/2015 19:44

I could understand your point of view if this was one drunken encounter...but this was a series of encounters.

Your husband is not innocent in this. If OW is as unstable as you say, then it is he who has taken advantage of her. Why did he e-mail the conversation?Was it so that you could find out? If so cowardly rather than a face to face confession. Or was it so that he could re-read and relive this little fantasy? Why didn't he delete her contact, delete all communication and simply refuse to engage in communication with her! Why didn't he tell you after the first kiss? Why didn't he stop things from progressing?

You seem rather deluded in thinking he was an innocent bystander or victim to this woman! He is the one who is married to you. He is the one who for you should not have let this happen. Do not absolve your husband of responsibility, you need to accept that he was in the wrong just as much, if not more so than the OW.

pocketsaviour · 15/04/2015 19:55

The thing is I do not trust him. I do not think he'll have another affair anytime soon, but he is I guess weaker than I thought and capable of lying if it serves his purpose. He is I guess not the person I thought he was. I think I put him on a bit of a pedestal. I think everyone did... I have also lost some respect for him. Finally, I do not feel safe in our relationship, or free for want of a better word.

I think these are things which will take time to heal. Maybe you have put him on a pedestal and now you realise he is human. In some ways, that could be a good thing. (Although obviously the manner of you realising that is very definitely not.)

You found out, what, 3 months ago? That is not a long time for this kind of event to be "got over".

I think, use your counselling together to explore this issue of not feeling safe and secure.

I also think you should use your solo counselling to acknowledge and express the anger, which I think you are suppressing "for the good of the marriage". That's a great ideal, but you need to let that out and let it go, or it will eat you up from inside.

AnyFucker · 15/04/2015 19:58

He has taken full responsibility for his actions

No, he hasn't. You have let him off the hook and so has your ridiculous couples therapist.

worserevived · 15/04/2015 20:05

Yes, it can work and it can be better. It has in my case. BUT as said above not until you hold him responsible. You are making him out to be a victim. He wasn't. Work places are a hive of affairs. The decent men snd women say no.

My advice take some time for yourself. I moved out, got on with my life and actually got quite a long way through a divorce. Give yourself the space to live and breathe. When you do you'll realise your own worth and he will truely understand what he has done. At the moment he is sorry but it has cost him nothing. He knows you were and always will be waiting in the wings. What's to stop him doing it again when he's next depressed? Hmm I wouldn't be able to trust again in these circumstances.

PeppermintPasty · 15/04/2015 20:05

Years ago I might have said you could put it behind you, as I did, for many a year. But to be blunt, that was hogwash. If the trust is gone, and respect is not far behind, then I think you're facing an uphill battle with no weapons to hand.

I can't help but feel someone somewhere has done a number on you, whether it be him, the therapist, or both, but honestly, he has clearly not taken responsibility for what he continued to do of his own free will (never mind the ow and her dubious charms, or the drink), and it sounds to me like you are letting him off the hook.

Sorry.

TheOldWiseOne · 15/04/2015 21:11

When you stay in a situation like this you have to accept that it will never be the same again - you will always wonder and you will always question. Or maybe that's just me!
I also agree with the others who say that you seem to see your husband as a victim in this affair... I stuck by my husband and then 5 years down the line he has done a runner. I think he was badly affected himself by what he had done and was never the same again. I also see the word "depression" there and that also brings its own problems to a relationship.

Best of luck in whatever you decide.

Quitelikely · 15/04/2015 22:02

Some relationships do survive affairs.

I have seen in these boards where the wife takes the husband back and he does not show a tenth of the determination that your dh has in restoring the marriage.

Going by what you have said it seems as though he genuinely regrets it and wants your marriage to work.

You are asking how you can ever trust him again. I'll be honest, I have never ever trusted a man 100pc. Why would I?!

With a young family, life pressures, sex drives, excitement blah blah an opportunity can come along that would be a welcome distraction.

Men can be vulnerable too. Although people here are saying he needs to take responsibility, he is. He is saying 'I did it, I'm terrible blah blah', he is owning his behaviour.

And then comes his reasons for doing it. Are they valid? Do you believe him?

If he has taken responsibility for everything and told you the reason why he strayed and you believe he has resolved these reasons why he strayed then I don't see why it can't work.

CactusAnnie · 15/04/2015 22:08

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CtrlAltDelicious · 15/04/2015 22:10

You pity her for her complete lack of self respect and worth?
I pity you for the same!
Your husband was no innocent party in this yet you make out he's been systematically taken advantage of by some desperate slag who practically laid it on a plate. Ugh.
Your husband is no different from any other who can't keep it his pants and if you forgive him you'll play the same awful game so many play where you "definitely trust him" but feel that awful lurch every time he goes out alone or stays out all night...
Sorry if it sounds harsh but im coming from the perspective of someone who forgave a cheater and was made to look a prize twat.

Christinayangstwistedsister · 15/04/2015 22:26

He is not a victim in this, affairs are not an accident, he did not trip and fall I to her vagina

He betrayed you when you were pregnant, that is low, did the ow force herself upon him?

I don't think you can make any decisions until you face up to what has actually happened and not your sanitized version of it

Slipshodsibyl · 16/04/2015 07:14

Sorry this happened to you. We are all capable of this kind of thing in the right circumstances. We can all have times when we are weak, our behaviour selfish.

Yes, with the right support, you can get through this and though the innocence is gone, you can be stronger, if reconciliation is what you want.

Vivacia · 16/04/2015 07:32

So, can I get this right? You're a strong, confident woman. You don't even take your husband's betrayal personally. You trust him. You pity the other woman for wanting to be with your husband.

He has taken "full responsibility" for his affair yet you don't think it was really an affair, he was ill and really it was the other woman's fault his penis kept finding it's way in to her.

You find suggestions that you leave him cynical and unhelpful.

Yet you feel unhappy and unsafe in your marriage and you don't trust or respect him any more.

I'm not sure what advice you want that is going to be different to what you were offered last time.

Louboutin37 · 16/04/2015 08:12

I heard and thought everything that you're saying after my ex husband's first affair. He was depressed, overworked, it got out of control, blah blah.

He was so convincing that I married him a month later in the most desperate show of the "pick me" dance ever.

After his third attempt at an affair was discovered I got my self respect back and left

ShortandSweeter · 16/04/2015 12:50

He sounds like a massive dick who is doing a great job of deluding you. I can't imagine that I could/would want to trust anyone that had lied to me continuously like this. Ditch him.

badbaldingballerina123 · 16/04/2015 16:23

I really feel for you , I found dealing with infidelity totally horrific.

I think you are doing what a lot of people do , which is accepting weak excuses from your husband and placing the majority of the blame on ow. It is easier to perceive him as a victim rather than than someone who chose to betray you. Everyone wants to know why it happened and people will analyse and analysis until they come up with an explanation that is tolerable. Ie work stress , young children , aging parents. I suspect it's often as simple and selfish as this- they wanted to.

Infidelity is far more common than people realize. There is no type for it, I believe everyone can be susceptible to it under the right , or wrong circumstances.

It's not surprising you feel the way you do. I personally never felt the same again and would never have trusted him again, but plenty of marriages do recover. There is a thread called marriages in recovery that might be helpful to you.

What is your husband doing to make you feel safe and restoring your trust ?

RedSkittles · 16/04/2015 19:00

Hi badbaldingballerina123,

Thanks for your message.

I know that he cheated because he wanted to. There's no other reason. I screamed that at him daily in the first month. No one held a gun to his head was my favorite phrase. I guess I am simply trying to understand why he would do it, given that it is so out of character and that requires understanding him and all the contributing factor. So, they are not excuses, simply explanations. In any case, I am not sure whether he deserves another chance, depression aside. He was willing to risk everything for a roll in the hay (or four), so I could not have meant much to him...

However, he hates himself, is clearly not the person he once was (due to the depression) and is doing everything to restore trust, make me feel safe etc i.e. he checks in all the time, I have access to his phone, e-mail etc (although, I always did, which is why it was so easier to discover his cheating), he has an app on his phone that records his locations using gps (that was not something I requested, but something he offered to do), you name it and he's done it.

Given the history of our relationship (we have been together for ten years this year and he has been a wonderful partner throughout, except for this...) and that I love him, as well as the type of person that I still think he is (does one act of selfishness, and stupidity, make someone a bad person?), not to mention that I have been a nightmare these past few years due to my highly stressful job, I feel that I should give him a chance. We all make mistakes. In the same circumstances I may well have done the same. It may not work and I acknowledge that. I, however, want no regrets if I walk away. I want to be able to tell my son when he asks that I gave it my best shot.

My parents friends went through something like this, although it was her mum that became depressed and cheated. He told me he no longer thinks of it and they have been, in his own words, happily married for decades since. This gives me hope.

I have said I will give it a year.

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Christinayangstwistedsister · 16/04/2015 19:19

Choosing to stay or go is entirely your decision, however , your initial post came across as your dh being a victim in this and the blame almost entirely being laid at ow' s door

blueberrypie0112 · 16/04/2015 19:31

my parents were married for many years. my dad did have an affair, but my parents stayed together. Can't say things were the same, nor it better, but she forgave him. But It was hard for her to forget.

badbaldingballerina123 · 16/04/2015 19:47

I've sent you a pm redskittles.

EhricLovesTheBhrothers · 16/04/2015 20:03

Dunno. My dad cheated 33 years ago, they are still together, my mum isn't over it and still holds ow partly responsible. They are happy, don't get me wrong, but she's not over it. It irreparably damaged what they had.

Coconutty · 16/04/2015 20:06

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MadameJulienBaptiste · 16/04/2015 20:09

If yor son asks what happened, isn't 'your father cheated on me' enough explanation?

badbaldingballerina123 · 16/04/2015 20:10

Redskittles , it sounds like the ow was a friend yet you say she was after him for years.

Were you aware she was interested in him ?

beerbelly · 16/04/2015 20:46

I do not think he'll have another affair anytime soon, but he is I guess weaker than I thought and capable of lying if it serves his purpose. He is I guess not the person I thought he was. I think I put him on a bit of a pedestal. I think everyone did... I have also lost some respect for him.

I could have written this, OP. I am only 5 weeks into this situation so can't offer any advice, but I can give you my perspective.

I think some other posters are being a little harsh. It is OK to see infidelity not as the evil actions of a faithless husband, but the result of a weakened marriage, a weaker spouse and another person.

I was recommended the book 'Not Just Friends' by Shirley P Glass by someone on here. I saw a lot of mine and DH's experience outlined in this book. It helped me (and him) to understand how it happened and what the affair was. As a result, I feel that I have forgiven him for what he did in the most immediate sense.

However, like you, my whole perception of him has changed - I feel he's been a bit pathetic in this starry eyed lust for a woman who was always going to move to New Zealand - and I am not sure things will get back to normal (or better!) again. If we do end our marriage, I think THAT is the point when I will be truly angry. His actions haven't destroyed our family life YET, but if they DO, I might hate him.

So, as promised OP, no advice. Just some empathy. Smile