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Will it ever be the same, or at least better?

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RedSkittles · 15/04/2015 19:18

Hi,

My husband had an affair with a colleague, and friend of ours, (one who had been after him for years) whilst I was pregnant and after the birth of my son, until I found out. It lasted almost seven months, and involved four sexual encounters at three month intervals (one in May, one in August and two, close together, in December), kissing on a few other occasions and lots of messages back and forth, some of which I read (he e-mailed the conversations to an e-mail account I have access to?!). There were no planned dates, rather she took advantage of circumstances e.g. the Christmas party, after work drinks and he, the weak and stupid, and ill (more on this below), man that he is, went along with it.

I have posted on here before regarding the affair, and while I am grateful for the replies they were mainly along the lines of "leave the cheating bastard", "you deserve better" etc, which was not particularly helpful. It was a black and white response, while life is grey. There is no excuse for what my husband chose to do, but there is, at least in his case, understanding, compassion and, potentially, forgiveness. Humans are fallible and my husband is, irrespective of what happened, a good man. This was totally out of character for him and has left absolutely everyone speechless (his mother once said, on her life, that he was incapable of cheating!). The cynics think I am stupid, have no self respect and the such, but I am an attractive, successful and, still, confident woman. I am not taking my husbands cheating personally. It was, for the most part, problems with him, rather than me. He was, depressed (he says that he felt worthless, that I did not love him and that as such, there was no point to our marriage, in anything in fact i.e. job, friends and family).

I do however acknowledge that our marriage also had its problems, some of which were my fault and some of which were his e.g. lack of communication.

Finally, I guess it helps that he obviously did his utmost best to stop the affair (which is why it was more of a string of ad hoc encounters, rather than a full blown affair with planned rendezvous), but that she was, as our couple's therapist put it, incessant (so incessant that even once I found out she still, and I pity her for her complete lack of self respect and worth, refused to back off and we had to write to her parents for help). This despite the fact that my husband made her no promises, in fact quite the opposite i.e. he continually said it was a mistake and can never happen again, that he loved his wife and wanted to make his marriage work and out in place boundaries regarding their contact, which obviously were not always successful (the joys of drink). She is also a little crazy, in that her delusions show a very emotionally unstable and damaged woman. The lack of an remorse also leaves me cold. Either way, I pity rather than am angry at her. My husband treated her as best he could in the circumstances and she continually took advantage of that. More fool him.

Needless to say, I may understand, feel compassion and will, one day, forgive for my own sake. Whether our marriage works in the long term is, however, a separate question.

He has taken full responsibility for his actions, is remorseful, riddled with guilt and is doing absolutely everything humanly possible to keep me from leaving/to make our marriage work, better even. He is in individual counsel (he started this whilst the affair was going on, to make sense of why he was acting in such a self destructive matter, and it was his therapist that told him he was severely depressed), we both are, and we are also in couples counselling. I acknowledge that he can do no more.

The problem is with me. I deeply care for him and find myself looking after him, worrying about him..., despite what he did. I do not think there is any doubt, therefore, that I love him. The thing is I do not trust him. I do not think he'll have another affair anytime soon, but he is I guess weaker than I thought and capable of lying if it serves his purpose. He is I guess not the person I thought he was. I think I put him on a bit of a pedestal. I think everyone did... I have also lost some respect for him. Finally, I do not feel safe in our relationship, or free for want of a better word. The aforementioned is worrying me more and more.

My question is to those who have experienced an affair, either directly or indirectly. - Will I ever be happy, will our marriage ever be the same i.e. good or even better... Is there any point or should I jump ship now?

Thank you in advance for your responses.

I feel so alone in this. Affairs are usually kept secret, and I am quite young (we were the first to get married and have kids), so I have no one to turn to that has experience of this.

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RedSkittles · 17/04/2015 06:54

Hi bbb123,

I can see with hindsight that she was after him, not so much at the time. It was not overt and I usually saw her alone, only sometimes with my husband. They however worked together, so saw each other every day.

It was more a feeling I got, in my gut, that I stupidly ignored and now, with hindsight things she said or how she acted.

Stupidly, I did not think she was a threat because of who I thought my husband was, I knew we loved each other and finally, she is not much competition i.e. my husband did not find her attractive or think much of her personality wise. Stupid me underestimated the neediness of emotions. My husband says he was addicted to being needed and appreciated, rather than to her as a person.

Never underestimate a woman who likes your man. It took this "friend" years, but she eventually got her man, when he was at his lowest, if only for a short period of time.

We think she must have made moves in the past, but that my husband was not open to it. Then our relationship crumbled and he got depressed, and he suddenly liked the flattery and attention. It was only a matter of time.

RS

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RedSkittles · 17/04/2015 07:32

Hi bbb123,

I forgot to mention that she told my husband that she had been in love with him since the middle of 2011. She was with her long term boyfriend until early 2013 (needless to say, the guy litterally ran for the hills and, given what I know about her i.e. her cheating on him, how she behaved with my husband and other guys generally etc, I don't blame him!). She also attended our wedding in 2012 and my baby shower while the affair was going on.

RS

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dollius · 17/04/2015 07:44

Your husband is colluding with you in shifting the blame onto this woman in order to minimise the blame apportioned to him. This, in itself, is enough to show that he is not truly remorseful, nor has he fully taken responsibility for his actions.

You talk on and on about her role in all this, but her role is irrelevant. The only thing that is relevant is your husband's role in this. You need to forget about her altogether and focus on what HE did.

I am not convinced that you are ready to do this yet, which is fine, but until you are you cannot hope to move on with your marriage and heal.

Marmaladybird · 17/04/2015 08:33

You have to change your mindset if you want this to work out, RedSkittles.

I have no love whatsoever for the OW in our case but what I think of her and her actions and her lifestyle/choices/personality etc are all separate from the fact that my OH chose to have an affair with her and only he can be held responsible for that.

Try not to see it as 'the end' or bleak if you hold him responsible. It's the way towards a lighter outlook, it's honest. You have to deal with it properly or you are on a hiding to nothing.

RedSkittles · 17/04/2015 12:41

Hi All,

I do hold him responsible and he knows it!

I suspect that my anger at him is spent. That has been my focus for the last few months. I guess now I am focused on her, which is why my message are what they are. Probably because she was a friend or at least, pretended to be for many years. I was betrayed by two people. It would have been much easier if she had been a stranger, as she would have owed me nothing, but as a friend she owed me something. To stop seeing me at the least when she was sleeping with my husband!

In any case, I get what people are getting at and I will try and refocus my energies on the right person. At the end of the day, I have no desire to speak to her (I sent her two very polite but damning messages and that is enough) and frankly, I do not care about her. Her life is the sad and lonely mess that it is because of her past actions, and she will I am sure pay for what she did to me, if she is not already. People like her will never be happy.

What a lot of people have not said is whether they got over their husband's affair (although, I know the memory will always remain)? How long it took? I guess whether they are happy and do not regret their decision to stay? Please let me know. I need some hope! Things are going well for us. We talk all the time, no matter how difficult the topic, my husband is addressing his depression, I have quit my job and we have expelled the ow, and in fact all toxic people from our life. All the issues are being addressed and our team work, banter and all the things that drew us together are coming back with abundance. However, I am haunted by what he did and the pain. I guess it will take time and become easier as we solve our problems?

Thank you.

RS

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Marmaladybird · 17/04/2015 13:49

It will take a lot of time and the pain will get less. You won't wake up with it on your mind forever - it does stop.

We're really good - better than ever. It can work but you have to know where the blame lies and learn to live with that. When you hold someone responsible for something, it doesn't mean that you can beat them over the head with it, but you do deserve explanations and honesty. Once you've done that you can leave it in the past.

I told my DP that every time he answered one of the questions that I had (from the tiny to the massive), it was like popping a balloon. The ones that he answered stayed popped, the ones he didn't (or I didn't ask) stayed hanging around in my head and kept floating back into view.

I really hope it all works out for you.

RedSkittles · 17/04/2015 14:26

Thank you Marmaladybird. That gives me hope!

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Jan45 · 17/04/2015 15:26

So if that is the case what happens the next time some irresistible harlot seduces him, does he once again succumb to his weakness - honestly OP he's managed to convince you it was her doing all the running, it's never normally the case, an affair takes effort on both parts.

That aside, you cannot trust him, I think when this happens the best thing to do for the aggrieved is to make the cheater leave, at least until you have some head space and they feel at least there has been some consequence.

In your DH's situation, it's not looking great, it was a carefully planned out affair, and with a friend just makes it all the more vile.

In time, I think you can regain trust in some relationships, many just can't cope with the deceit, only time will tell, just be very careful you don't brush it under the carpet, make sure you are 100% happy with him, otherwise it's just not worth it.

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