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Where did I go wrong here?

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Amilliontoonechance · 07/04/2015 12:09

Not sure what I’m looking for here, I guess some opinions would be great to help make sense of what happened on Sunday as I’m feeling pretty flat about it all…

So I met a guy online, we get on great, v attracted to one another, he tells me on the first date that he still lives with his ex but they are well and truly over and have been for a good year, I was quite taken aback by this as he didn’t mention this in the pre date texts. He told me that he is still living in their jointly owned home because his lawyer has told him if he moves out she will be able to dictate to him about contact with his children. He said many times that his ex was unreasonable and often acted irrationally and that they argued regularly. They didn’t marry but were engaged.

So anyway, we have only been on four dates, they have all gone v well, he is v complimentary, v gentlemanly, loads of good conversation, he was always v keen to see me, good with text contact, etc. He told me that he gets a bit stressed that I will go off him because of his complicated situation but I put his mind at rest. So anyway on Sunday he came to my place and the plan was to go for lunch an hour or so later. He told me that he had to leave after a few hours as he was taking his kids out at lunchtime the next day, I fully understood and accepted this. Anyway I’ll get to the point, we kissed and things got heavy but I felt uncomfortable about having full sex (for the first time) if he was planning to leave after lunch. I don’t know I think I would have felt a bit used / vulnerable. I told him this and he said he thought I was selfish to let things, erm, how can I put this, get to the point that they did, and that he couldn’t help it if he had to get home to his kids and I had to understand they came first. I said that he had got the wrong end of the stick, that I understood about him having to go home, but in those circumstances I wasn’t happy having sex for the first time, he said he was insulted as it was obvious he liked me, he had always made an effort to see me (driving for four hours each date as I live in Central London) I asked him to try and see my point, he is a guy I met online, I don’t really know him from Adam, therefore I didn’t want to have full sex if he was just going to go afterwards (well after lunch anyway).

He just couldn’t see my point and we ended up having a I guess you could say v controlled, no raised voices, row over lunch. I told him I thought he wasn’t ready for a relationship and when lunch was finished I walked away, telling him it was over. He sent me a text saying it was a shame as he saw himself having a relationship with me, but I was probably right, he wasn’t in the right place to be able to be available fully for a relationship with all the stress in his life currently but that when he has his life sorted perhaps we can try again (he is also currently out of work and looking for a job but appeared to be fully solvent, always paying, etc (I did offer before anyone jumps on me!!)).

I don’t know what I’m asking for really here, I guess some advice for the future, even though I don’t have children myself, and don’t want them in the future, I’m more than happy to date someone with children as I like them (just never fancied my own), I understand that this will mean that I will come second and that’s fine and how it should be. If someone is still living with their ex and their children, is that odd? I really don’t know as he made it seem all so above board. Guess I would like to make sense of this situation as I feel quite sad about how it all went from being so right to so wrong in such a short space of time, my best friend told me that she thought it all sounded a bit odd but didn’t want to say anything as I seemed happy.

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AlpacaMyBags · 07/04/2015 12:10

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Amilliontoonechance · 07/04/2015 12:14

Thanks, Alpaca, trying to not dripfeed but he said that I was selfish because he had erm, how shall I put it, given something to me that I wasn't prepared to give to him! He was genuinely put out by it, but I just didn't feel comfortable reciprocating when he was going to leave soon after. I'm not a prude btw just don't want to offend anyone with being too frank!

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Amilliontoonechance · 07/04/2015 12:18

Thanks, Rink, even if, well I'm just going to have to come out and say it now, he had gone down on me ? !! Sorry, had to be said!

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Amilliontoonechance · 07/04/2015 12:20

Thanks, Rink, you are completely right. Appreciate your comments.

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millionsmom · 07/04/2015 12:21

He sounds very controlling and frankly, trying to guilt you into sex is not good. Well done for walking away.
IMO this has nothing to do with him having children, he was trying to make you have sex when you weren't happy bout it. If he was 'excited', well then there are other ways to alleviate it without full on intercourse.
You're not being a prude at all.

Rebecca2014 · 07/04/2015 12:21

Yeah I think it's a bit mean.

flippingstupidnickname · 07/04/2015 13:13

Um, I'm going to go out on a limb here... whilst it's never ok to have a strop or put pressure on someone to have sex, I think it is ok and in fact necessary for people to discuss their feelings relating to it. It sounds as though he was doing just that. TBH I can see that he might have felt a bit used and he probably can't understand your point about not wanting to be that intimate just before he leaves when you had actually been just as intimate but in a different way.
Did you offer to "finish him off" in other ways?
Ultimately he should respect your point of view (and I fwiw, I understand where you're coming from) but I can understand him feeling a little hurt and confused. As long as he voiced those feelings in a respectful manner...

Amilliontoonechance · 07/04/2015 13:46

Flipping, I do get what you're saying, and I do kind of understand his frustration, he was more than happy to 'service me' but I didn't feel comfortable reciprocating when he was going to leave soon afterwards, I don't know but personally it didn't make me feel vulnerable that he had gone down on me, I guess because that made him vulnerable, but he was ok with that, in fact more than ok, he looked like he was having a great time! He took the lead and I guess I was happy to let him get on with it! On the other hand, I didn't feel comfortable placing myself in such a vulnerable position, I think receiving and giving are v different. No, I didn't 'finish him off' because he actually asked me to, and it all felt a bit tawdry and unromantic! I do see there are two sides to this and I do have a high sex drive, but it was only date four, a guy I'd met from Tinder, he wasn't staying, I didn't feel comfortable placing myself in a vulnerable position and I guess I shouldn't have let him go down on me in the first place, but I didn't realise quite how pissed off he would be! He didn't seem hurt, incidentally, just put out!

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Wotsitsareafterme · 07/04/2015 13:52

Your friend is right it is a bit odd.
When you had the argument was it retrospective or was he trying to bend your arm about the sex?

GrumpleMe · 07/04/2015 13:56

If you didn't want to have 'full sex', that's obviously your right. End of discussion.

But in all honesty, if I had given a guy oral and then he said he didn't feel comfortable reciprocating because he felt vulnerable etc...I would DEFINITELY feel put out. I would be wondering why he didn't explain that properly BEFORE I 'serviced' him, as you put it.

But I wouldn't say anything. I'd mark him down as a player who was selfish in bed, and not contact him again.

I think you did the wrong thing by letting him go down on you, despite how enthusiastic he seemed.

loveareadingthanks · 07/04/2015 14:06

I was quite sympathetic from first post, but your clarifications have made me move the other way a bit. So I guess I'm in the middle.

On living with ex. It would ring a few alarm bells with me as it could be a complete story and he might not be single. Would want something to confirm his status (meeting friends/family?). But then I was living with my ex when I met DP and it was all above board, DP was a bit put out to be fair, as I hadn't told him till the end of date 3. I ended up bringing him round when ex was out (we had a no bf/gf in the house rule) and showing him we'd clearly divided the place in two. I did move out a few months later. I also know a couple of people who still share a house nearly 30 years after their divorce and that would put me right off.

Sex. Having a strop about not getting sex is not OK. It's fine to stop whenever you want to stop. TMI but DP and I got pretty hot and heavy in his bedroom on 2nd date but I didn't want to go the whole hog, so to speak, and went home. DP was perfectly happy with that. BUT what we'd done was mutual.

With what you've said, as far as I'm concerned oral sex is sex, you don't need intercourse for it to be sex (or lesbians are buggered, aren't they), and sex shouldn't be all in one direction.

If a woman came on saying 'I gave him a blow job and then he said he didn't want to have sex, and didn't want to go down on me, just took his blow job and left' I think the man would get a blasting for being a selfish user. This chap of yours may be feeling quite used. I would be if the situation were reversed. Get used for a blow job then the man pisses off. Actually I'd be bloody furious.

pocketsaviour · 07/04/2015 14:07

Unless there had ben prior discussion, if I have given someone an orgasm then I would expect them to give me one back. Or at least help while I gave myself one. And I think receiving oral sex, for a woman, feels way way more vulnerable than giving it to a man (or having PIV sex).

It sounds like you're better off apart anyway just from logistical issues. Driving 4hrs for a date is a pretty big ask in the early stages.

pocketsaviour · 07/04/2015 14:09

lovereadingthanks

or lesbians are buggered, aren't they

You may wish to rethink your phraseology there ;)

holdyourown · 07/04/2015 14:18

Are you sure he's not married?
He sounds like a cock with his strop, but then again I don't think you should have got yourself in that position tbh - eg just see him outside your home until such time as you want to have sex, or certainly don't start off and then not go through with it, just for your own safety while OD. I think you were right to bin him, just forget it now and move on.

holdyourown · 07/04/2015 14:19

also, was he taking dcs out to sunday lunch with the wife/ stbx (allegedly) Confused

wannaBe · 07/04/2015 14:37

I think it's a bit shit to get your own pleasure and then decide to walk away tbh. If you'd come on here saying you'd given him a bj and he'd then decided he felt too vulnerable to do anything for you you'd be well and truely advised to get rid because he was a selfish user.

I understand the idea of not wanting sex for the first time to be a shag and run type scenario, and equally I believe that anyone has the right to say no, however to let him go down on you first before deciding you weren't up for recipricating is pretty crap behavior and IMO he has every right to be pissed off.

Also, if you'd phrased it as you did on here that you didn't want to have sex with him just as he was about to go off for lunch with his children, that could explain why he reacted the way he did, because it sounded as if you'd brought his children into the discussion iyswim.

Quitelikely · 07/04/2015 14:43

I totally understand why he was upset. I think you are being hypocritical even.

Other than that I would understand that you would want your first time to be on a time when your spending the night together.

Amilliontoonechance · 07/04/2015 14:46

Thanks for your comments. holdyourown , your comments are really sensible and I have taken on board what you've said.. but no I don't think he was married, but who knows! It was only the forth date in and of course I hadn't seen his domestic situation and probably never would have done.

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wannaBe · 07/04/2015 15:22

tbh I would be wary of getting involved with someone who was still living in the same house as their ex and was as yet showing no signs of moving out. Not because they are necessarily lying (I lived in the same house as my ex for eight months after we split, while waiting for house etc to go through,) but because you wouldn't be in any position to move a relationship forwad in terms of ever meeting his kids etc during this time, and even if the kids know that their parents aren't together any more, it wouldn't be appropriate to bring a new partner into the equation where the kids are concerned until he had moved out at the very least, and even then he would need to give time for them to adjust to their parents no longer living together, etc.

It would never have occurred to me to start dating while I was still living under the same roof as my ex, even though we were in separate bedrooms etc.

TokenGinger · 07/04/2015 15:24

I'm finding it quite difficult to comprehend you staying you didn't want to put yourself in to a vulnerable position, as he's a guy you met off Tinder and had only four times... But you had him at your place Hmm.

Alas, what's done is done.

I echo the earlier posts of saying I'd feel put out too.

Justusemyname · 07/04/2015 15:41

I'd be blocking him. Just because he made you come doesn't mean he gets to fuck you. I'd walk away. More men with less baggage and entitlement attitudes.

However, oral is very intimate and you allowed that but then felt too vulnerable to wank him off and give him oral. I see that position as being kind of in charge, not in a vulnerable position. I think you should end it, for BOTH your sakes tbf.

Gina111 · 07/04/2015 19:07

I think your gut feelings were correct and it was good that he recognised he was not available for a proper relationship at the moment with his current circumstances.

imjustahead · 07/04/2015 19:16

not surprised he got pissed off, now you've given us the full story.