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Where did I go wrong here?

40 replies

Amilliontoonechance · 07/04/2015 12:09

Not sure what I’m looking for here, I guess some opinions would be great to help make sense of what happened on Sunday as I’m feeling pretty flat about it all…

So I met a guy online, we get on great, v attracted to one another, he tells me on the first date that he still lives with his ex but they are well and truly over and have been for a good year, I was quite taken aback by this as he didn’t mention this in the pre date texts. He told me that he is still living in their jointly owned home because his lawyer has told him if he moves out she will be able to dictate to him about contact with his children. He said many times that his ex was unreasonable and often acted irrationally and that they argued regularly. They didn’t marry but were engaged.

So anyway, we have only been on four dates, they have all gone v well, he is v complimentary, v gentlemanly, loads of good conversation, he was always v keen to see me, good with text contact, etc. He told me that he gets a bit stressed that I will go off him because of his complicated situation but I put his mind at rest. So anyway on Sunday he came to my place and the plan was to go for lunch an hour or so later. He told me that he had to leave after a few hours as he was taking his kids out at lunchtime the next day, I fully understood and accepted this. Anyway I’ll get to the point, we kissed and things got heavy but I felt uncomfortable about having full sex (for the first time) if he was planning to leave after lunch. I don’t know I think I would have felt a bit used / vulnerable. I told him this and he said he thought I was selfish to let things, erm, how can I put this, get to the point that they did, and that he couldn’t help it if he had to get home to his kids and I had to understand they came first. I said that he had got the wrong end of the stick, that I understood about him having to go home, but in those circumstances I wasn’t happy having sex for the first time, he said he was insulted as it was obvious he liked me, he had always made an effort to see me (driving for four hours each date as I live in Central London) I asked him to try and see my point, he is a guy I met online, I don’t really know him from Adam, therefore I didn’t want to have full sex if he was just going to go afterwards (well after lunch anyway).

He just couldn’t see my point and we ended up having a I guess you could say v controlled, no raised voices, row over lunch. I told him I thought he wasn’t ready for a relationship and when lunch was finished I walked away, telling him it was over. He sent me a text saying it was a shame as he saw himself having a relationship with me, but I was probably right, he wasn’t in the right place to be able to be available fully for a relationship with all the stress in his life currently but that when he has his life sorted perhaps we can try again (he is also currently out of work and looking for a job but appeared to be fully solvent, always paying, etc (I did offer before anyone jumps on me!!)).

I don’t know what I’m asking for really here, I guess some advice for the future, even though I don’t have children myself, and don’t want them in the future, I’m more than happy to date someone with children as I like them (just never fancied my own), I understand that this will mean that I will come second and that’s fine and how it should be. If someone is still living with their ex and their children, is that odd? I really don’t know as he made it seem all so above board. Guess I would like to make sense of this situation as I feel quite sad about how it all went from being so right to so wrong in such a short space of time, my best friend told me that she thought it all sounded a bit odd but didn’t want to say anything as I seemed happy.

OP posts:
NerrSnerr · 07/04/2015 19:28

If it was the other way round and you'd given him a blow job and then he refused to go down on you I can imagine you'd be pissed off. I think you was unfair on him.

MyOtherNameIsFunnier · 07/04/2015 19:33

What the fuck?

Have I clicked on Netmums by mistake? You do all know it's perfectly fine to go off the idea of sex at ANY point in the proceedings?

Op you did nothing at all wrong except picked a sulky arsehole who is probably married and was only in it for a shag. Move on and don't ever feel like you need to have any kind of sex you don't want to.

Cabrinha · 07/04/2015 19:40

He dates people off Tinder who live four HOURS away?
Love, he doesn't have an ex.
I'd put money on that.

If he was looking for a relationship, I doubt he'd want the complication of the distance. But it's a bonus if you're cheating on your girlfriend.

The way to get child access is through negotiation then court. How long is he going to live with her to ensure he sees them? Well, years because I expect she doesn't know that split up! But seriously - the other one has bells on.

I lived with my ex for 4 months - I could have shown anyone I was dating the solicitor letters re my house purchase to back up my reason for doing so!

Cabrinha · 07/04/2015 19:45

But re the sex...
You can stop at any time, for any reason. That's a given.
But if I were him, I'd be pretty pissed off.
I wouldn't be rude to you, but I might well tell you I was pissed off. Not coercively, but telling you my feelings.
I certainly would have second thoughts about seeing you again.
It doesn't even sound like he was about to leave, only that he wouldn't be around all day.
In he shoes, I'd be "WTF?"
He has NO right to sex, no right to be rude and definitely no right to try to coerce you.
But if he was just disappointed and annoyed, well - so would I be.

But as previous post, he's still with his girlfriend anyway.

If you don't want to feel vulnerable, I'd hold off on the receiving a while longer too, and not date men who still live with their girlfriends!

Justusemyname · 07/04/2015 19:46

MONIF - this thread isn't about going off the idea of sex at any moment.

VanitasVanitatum · 07/04/2015 20:04

I would definitely not get involved with this guy until he is clear of his current situation.

Sulking about the 'giving/receiving' thing is all a bit yuck tbh. He needs to grow up.

RinkRashDerbyKisses · 07/04/2015 20:11

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Jokerstotheright · 07/04/2015 20:15

I don't understand how you can say you felt 'vulnerable' yet happily received oral sex from him.

Cabrinha · 07/04/2015 20:30

I can't made head nor tail of your timelines, actually.
I've re-read to try to work it out.
The "row" was over lunch... yes? So he didn't try to coerce you, sounds like by this time it was all clothes back on and discussing it?

You have the right not to have sex or anything else. But you say he asked you to 'finish him off' but you found that tawdry and unromantic. I expect you didn't use those words to him, but I also expect that's the vibe you gave.

You should never never do anything from 'obligation'. But... You're close to fucking a bloke you met 4x off Tinder. If he'd been staying all day, you would have done. It's OK with you for him to give you oral to orgasm, but doing something short of full sex for him is "unromantic".

I'd be feeling pretty buggered about by you.

Newrule · 07/04/2015 21:38

Like some people said, if the roles were reversed, the man would be flamed. I really don't understand your behaviour. However, it is your right. I would advice you to not treat another person in this manner. It just seems wrong. Be clear with them upfront. This is not a matter of you changing your mind but rather you playing games. You were unreasonable. If he behaved this way towards you, you would think he was out of order to deliberately and sneakily use you. So why do you think you acted properly?

It all seems weird.

Handywoman · 07/04/2015 22:09

For me, receiving oral is a million times more vulnerable. And more intimate than PIV sex. If I'd have received oral I would think very little of reciprocating. Not a reason to say yes to PIV but reciprocating would have been 'reasonable'. I think if you have a new partner, parameters for first-time sexual encounters in a potential relationship should if poss be discussed and boundaries very carefully respected. None of that seemed to happen here. Bit of a fudge by the sounds of it. I would learn relevant lessons from this and simply move on.

MyOneandYoni · 07/04/2015 22:15

Yup.
I agree.
He has not left his wife.

scarletforya · 07/04/2015 22:15

I bet he's still with his 'ex'.

kewtogetin · 07/04/2015 22:29

To answer your OP 'where did I go wrong here'.....you went wrong by Inviting a very obviously still married man who you barely know into your home, getting caught up in the moment, letting him perform oral sex on you and then getting cold feet when you realised it wasn't going to be the gold star, romantic movie, love scene of your dreams. If I were you I'd be counting my lucky stars he wasn't a crazy fucking psychopath.
He'd driven four hours to see you? Yeah right, held driven four hours for a fuck and got pissed off when he realised it wasn't going to happen. Meanwhile his wife and children are at home waiting for daddy to get back from an important meeting.....
Raise your standards and have a bit more self respect.

lunalelle · 08/04/2015 08:48

Red flags waving all over the place here.

His wife was 'unreasonable' and 'irrational' (they all seem to be...)

He had to 'get back' for lunchtime the next day (why not just leave early morning? Because his ex wife is not his ex...)

Out of work should be a warning in itself, but if he is paying for stuff then he is probably either lying to avoid telling you where he works or racking up debt.

Expecting sex, and the trying to use 'I could see myself having a relationship with you' as if a relationship is some big reward for shagging him. This is manipulative at best.

He bears all the early hallmarks of a cheat and emotional abuser.

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