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How to tell the difference between 'shy' and not interested?

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beaglesaresweet · 01/04/2015 00:44

Sorry for the epic, I feel that without detail it will be unclear. Feel free to lose patience half way Grin!
I'm just really confused by this man's signals towards me. I've met him a while ago in a social group, he actually promoted it for me to join as he's one of the organisers. There was instant mutual liking, I feel, I'd say instant attraction but not in a shallow way, not obviously physical for me, but personalities and interests and just general attarction. Since then I've seen him on and off over two years, with some long gaps. He clearly flirted with me in the beginning, lots of eye contact, just looking, very comfortable chats.
I thought I may be potentially interested in dating him, even though he is 15 yrs older but I like him. So I thought I will create opportunities for him asking me out, i.e. being away from the usual group. So I stayed behind after a meeting and joined him for a quick tour of a museum which he said he's going to. All well and lots of chatting/understanding/smiling but all very social, then we went towards the tube and I thought, ideal chance for him to offer a drink/coffee, kind of social and not risking rejection as such if he was shy. Well, again while we walked he kept glancing across to me, but then never offered a drink and we said good buys. I though ok, maybe he lost his nerve. Next time again similar situation, again I arrived and he 9while talking to someone) immediately turned towards the entrance and was giving me a long stare, then involved me in the talk and then abruptly left and I was left with that new person, it looked like he maybe was embarassed by us looking at each other. He then again had a chance to ask me out when no one was around at some point, but didn't! I thought, sod it, he is probably not single (and at his age unlikely to be tbh). So I didn't see him for more than 6 months, felt like I'm making an idiot of myself.

Recently I came along to something where he didn't expect to see me - when I arrived he absolutely beamed and said 'what a nice suroprise', I also beamed at him as I still like him. By no deliberate design, I ended up sitting right next to him for a while, and again sweet exchange of glances, feeling harmonious and as if we belong somehow, bu this was with people present and not obvious to others. After this, I stayed behind with other people (no way I was chasing him again), and he shook everyone's hand when leaving, and mine last, he doesn't usually shake hands with all. Again said it was nice to see me, I replied I'll see him at a place where he works. I was there for a while, and then he came back into the room briefly saying he forgot something (he didn't find it), when he came in, long eye contact with me again. I thought, well that's encouraging maybe he missed me. So I went to where he works, he was on his own. And again - awkwardness and edtachment, whereas he was beaming in a group at me, he wasn't when one to one (not for the first time) and in fact I thought he was a bit rude. I asked him wheter he had time to show me some stuff of mutual interest, or is he too busy, he said actually I do haev things to do now before going home, in a slightly frosty way!! I said sorry, I can have a look by myself, I don't want to impose. So I went on with it, he was doing some letter typing etc, then later he seemed to cheer up and wa sitting acropss the table just pertty much staring at me and not engaging much in conversation, I was chatting away because I was also a bit nervous, but he was responding but not intiating, also he didfn't ask anything personal even after such a long break in contact. But he sort of warned up and at least smiled at a few things I said. Needless to say, no invites for a drink or even offer of a cup of tea.

I mean, WTF? He so obviously stares and shows interest/attarction, and I feel a lot of chemistry there, but I'm too shy to bedirect, though he has no doubt that I like him. I didnt hide it that I was disappointed when he said he wan't coming to the next event.

So either he is so shy that he expects me to be direct (esp with the age gap), or he is not single. But then why on earth is this show of interest and flirting for want of a better word? Why is he demonstrative in a group when they ar not looking, but all reserved and even off hand when it's one to one? If he's not single, why on earth do it if he think nothing could ever happen, he's not an obvious player/tease type. This is a well respected intelligent man. I think a few people in the group twigged that I like him, and possibly same wit him, so they may tell his partner? but he still doesn't seem to hide it too much when others are around. I will repeat that I gave him chances to ask me out and I'm sure he could see what I'm doing at least after the first occasion. Because of this, I ;m not going to lose face completely and ask him myself, just no. For all I know he may enjoy watching/encouraging me to be showing attraction to him but it's all for a laugh/ego boost and I just annoy him when it becomes close to acting on it. I do feel that we genuinely are attracted but could I be wrong? He's sort of quite close to my 'Mr Right' even though age gap isn't ideal, that's why the angst, even though I have dropped it once before and will probably have to again.

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beaglesaresweet · 03/04/2015 18:00

LL, why the heck wouldn't he want to give you more though, did he explain? Hopefully you haven't spent years on him.

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MadeMan · 03/04/2015 18:05

"What do you think of my move of inviting him to invite me?"

Sounds complicated and a bit contrived somehow. Can't you just ask him something like, "So then mate, how's the missus, did she have a good Easter?" That way you might find out if he's single. Smile

beaglesaresweet · 03/04/2015 18:36

yeah it is a bit contrived but at least I hope it's a clear (to him) effort from me at meeting up, whichever way it is. More than he is doing, I'd say! It seems to be goone into this strange dancing around each other, innocent emails to and fro, looking but not acting. Don't you think MM, he would think of something if he really wanted to? that's the reason I don't want to be direct, I'm sure he knows I'm hinting but it seems like he would prefer for me to take a risk then do it himself, which isn't that attractive tbh! As discussed above, a woman shouldn't be the only one who's chasing, see what happened to the other poster? he never had stepped up and she ran out attraction in the end.

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beaglesaresweet · 03/04/2015 18:38

than, not 'then do it himself'.

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MadeMan · 03/04/2015 18:41

To be honest, he probably hasn't got a clue what you're thinking or how you feel; he might just be wondering, "What's she playing at?" Smile

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 03/04/2015 18:51

He's not 'dancing around' you, OP, it's you doing all the dancing, all the everything. If you're happy doing that and wanting to risk rejection then carry on. You say 'don't you think he would think of something if he really wanted to?'... yes, he would, he really would and you'd know.

You're setting yourself up for rejection here when really, you know the answer. He's not interested in you like that. Back off completely and see what happens maybe? I think he wouldn't notice and you'd (hopefully) find somebody else who is keen on you. You seem nice, just very, very determined but you can't make it happen by yourself.

beaglesaresweet · 03/04/2015 18:52

really? Shock I thought I was being embarassingly obvious, even posters above think this! Remember I created a few situations a while ago where we wre on our own after group events, and I was hanging around him quite a bit then. Not for a while but again, I visited him, I emailed first. Could you give a bit of insight as to what could I be playing at in his mind, any options? you mean just being a tease with no intent, kind of thing? surely if he actually wanted to check 'what I'm playing at' he'd offered a drink/coffee by now? he honestly had his chances and he didn't even have to be direct, it would flow from there.
As it is, I don't what to appear completely begging for it, it's already a bit of that Confused.

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beaglesaresweet · 03/04/2015 18:57

exactly, Lying. That's why I'm surprised that from a man's perspective of MadeMan, it's anything different, like he wouldn't even guess that I'm interested. What I meant by dancing around each other was, he responds to some of my initiative, much more so just now after a long break. He also clearly does look at me a lot - surely if he was just annoyed, he wouldn't be showing any encouragement at all? I definitely would be actively discouraging to any unwanted attention. Why keep saying 'good to see you' (I don't say it to him btw).

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WastingMyYoungYears · 03/04/2015 19:15

Gosh, this all sounds a bit complicated. Ask him out already! Clearly though, i.e. would you like to come for a coffee with me? Honestly, it won't be the end of the world if he says No thanks. You'll either get a date or some closure so that you can move on. Good luck Smile.

korkycat4 · 03/04/2015 19:31

I'm really sorry, but you found obsessive, and a bit stalker-like. He gave you a really clear signal when you turned up at his work and he was off with you - he's not interested! Seriously, back off. I actually feel a bit sorry for the guy.

beaglesaresweet · 03/04/2015 19:52

But I think I will stop doing anything as Lying suggests. I've just said to him that I'd join him if goes to an event in near future, if he does THEN I will ask him fr a coffee afterwards directly. I think it's the only sane plan.

korky, yes, I already said that I will stop hoping or doing anything, partly based on posts like yours, and as I've explained I haven't seen him for nearly 6 months so I'm not a stalker, plus I apologised for bad timing at his work - to which he apologised that he was busy and added 'it was good to see you' so I think you are a bit unreasonable. I do think my plan as in first paragraph is sensible and not stalkerish. I could have visited him at work weekly if I was a stalker - I haven't been there for over a year! while people from our hobby group visit regularly.

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beaglesaresweet · 03/04/2015 19:54

sorry Wasting, not sure why the beginning of first sentence is missing from the post! I was saying thank you to you and explaining my plan as a close alternative.

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feministwithtitsin · 03/04/2015 20:01

I don't think you are obsessive or a stalker! I think if any of us described a crush in such detailcwe would sound the same Grin

korkycat4 · 03/04/2015 20:09

Ok, sorry - stalker is harsh! I apologise for that. But you do sound over-involved in something that doesn't really exist. It's not good for you.

IfNotNowThenWhen · 03/04/2015 20:18

It's Impossible to tell if he likes you or not. Ask him out for a drink! I know it's easier said than done but it's really the only way. Otherwise you waste years of your life thinking about someone who is either unavailable or not interested. Once you know if he is up for it or not, you can move on with your life!

ALaughAMinute · 03/04/2015 20:23

I don't think you should consider doing ANYTHING until you know for sure that he is single!

beaglesaresweet · 03/04/2015 21:09

thanks feminist, I was going to say that not everyone remembers their crushes when in stable r-ship or single. They always sound a bit crazy. And nice of you to say sorry, korky, as I'm feeling a little sensitive already! I'd be petrified if I found out that my attention is unwanted or annoying. Yes, over-involved currently, it started 10days ago after a very long cooling period, I thought his reaction on seeing me again was promising. but ok, I've taken all advice on board.

IfNot, I will once we meet up again - which I hope will be when he asks me to join him at an informal event. If he doesn't, I will only see him end of May, and tbh if he doesn't I'll just drop it. But will suggest coffee if we do meet this way (away from the large group and his work). I don't think I should ask him via email. It's his work e-mail too. So I'll have some resolution within a month, I hope.

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MadeMan · 03/04/2015 22:40

"and tbh if he doesn't I'll just drop it."

I think you should find out for certain; even if you think (as some of us here do) that he's not interested in you in a relationship way.

In my experience I always feel better if I know for sure that a woman I fancy is not interested in me. Yes it stings for a bit and sometimes I feel like a wally for asking, but I always feel like a weight is off my shoulders when I know.

Plus, you can then high five yourself in the mirror (as I always do with everything) for having the guts to take control of the situation! Easter Smile

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