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Has anyone tried over the top affection and niceness to their dh to improve relationship?

33 replies

pandameerkat · 26/03/2015 10:16

I've felt things have got in a bit of a rut in our relationship recently with both of us just going about our lives and not really considering each other that much. I am sure I read somewhere about being extremely loving towards the other partner to improve things. I started 2 days ago and it does seem to be working and I am starting to feel more loving to dh and we seem to be getting on better. Anyone else done this?

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BloodyAwfulPoet · 26/03/2015 10:22

I suppose if your kindness and affection reminds him to be kind and affectionate in return, I don't massively see a problem with it.

rings a little of the Kirsty Allsopp brand of diplomacy - "if you want to discuss a difficult subject with your husband, try cooking him his favourite dinner first!"

but I know what you mean I think. it's just reminding him that you are there and you love him. couples can neglect each other after a while.

Joysmum · 26/03/2015 10:35

Not over the top, but a rebalance to how things ought to be.

The biggest thing though is in regaining the ability to communicate and share good and bad times together in a kind way.

MaybeDoctor · 26/03/2015 10:37

Watching with interest.
Although a bit of me feels that it has to be reciprocal... But maybe someone has to start somewhere?

Binklesback · 26/03/2015 10:40

in my experience it's hard to sustain. I tried with my exh even to the point of being a surrendered wife type thing - it got old really quickly. The point we have to remember is do it without expectation that you'll get the same back - anyone who's tried it with teenage kids can testify to that. If you want it back you may have to point out you're making an effort to do it and would like him too as well until you're back on an even keel.

WhatsGoingOnEh · 26/03/2015 10:42

There's a thread in Classics on exactly this subject! Search for "Stepford Wife". The OP, whoever she was Blush cough, tried to save her marriage by following a 1960s book called Fascinating Womanhood, which is all about admiring and being affectionate with your DH. Plus an unexpectedly high amount of housework.

I, er, she still thinks it's a great idea, but the OP ended up getting divorced from that DH.

abyssiniam8 · 26/03/2015 10:47

There was that movie a few years back - the wife did the Love Dare book thing. It was all the rage then, I do wonder if that couple were irl, would they still be together today??

MaybeDoctor · 26/03/2015 10:48

Was it you? Grin

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/mumsnet_classics/a654286-Does-anyone-fancy-going-a-bit-Stepford-with-me

I will take a look...

pandameerkat · 26/03/2015 11:02

I am up for giving it a really good go! It has improved things after 2 days so I am hoping we will go from strength to strength. I might even buy the book Blush

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MaybeDoctor · 26/03/2015 11:09

what'sgoingon
I am back from reading the other thread - I think that the 'OP' is rather lovely and very good-humoured...

So what happened in the end? How did things pan out? If you don't mind me asking.

In my own case I am up for giving things one last try by trying to implement mutual change - so I am kind of here for ideas.

What I have so far is:

Give up the ipad - I am addicted to the bloody thing
Separate bedrooms, to encourage more sex
More date nights

Sgtmajormummy · 26/03/2015 11:11

Fake it until you make it? Worth a try I suppose, but if you're in a long-term relationship, I expect you both know when the other one is pretending.

pandameerkat · 26/03/2015 11:24

HI Maybe. Lets give it a try! I'm a bit worried about the separate bedrooms though, as I know 2 couples who ended up divorced after sleeping apart.

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abyssiniam8 · 26/03/2015 11:30

Separate bedrooms, to encourage more sex

How does that work? Does it involve a sneaky visit during the night or suchlike?

pocketsaviour · 26/03/2015 11:39

I tried something like this... He opened up about his worries, I thought "great it's working", he asked me to lend him £3.5k, then he buggered off with another woman Hmm

I was pretty naïve, but I think it could work if you weren't with a scamming liar like mine!

Something like: commit to every day, say "I love you" and give him some sort of compliment. Just like "That shirt looks great on you" or "You're such a good driver". Say thank you for stuff he does - not because he shouldn't do it anyway, but just because it's nice to be thanked.

ErrWhat · 26/03/2015 11:45

I sort of did this when the kids were little. We were just a bit busy and tired for each other. We weren't arguing but we were a bit 'flat'. He always used to come home from work at the worst possible time too. I think he was a bit ignored as we were immersed in homework, suppers, baths etc. He never said anything and was always supportive and very helpful but I realised that I should make more of an effort too. I don't care if other people think I was pandering to him but I began to conciously make a fuss of him when he got home. It really worked well. I think I was putting the kids needs first when we should all be putting ALL of our needs first IYSWIM

We are still very happily married a kazillion years later.

MaybeDoctor · 26/03/2015 11:47

With the separate bedrooms I think that we might need to reintroduce a bit of anticipation/novelty to our physical encounters. We have been sleeping in the same bed for nearly 20 years after all - I think it might be worth a try.

MaybeDoctor · 26/03/2015 11:48

To put it into context, my other thread is called 'teetering on the brink'!

pandameerkat · 26/03/2015 12:44

Sounds like it's worth a try. I've just bought the book from the other thread! I'm quite looking forward to this.

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WhatsGoingOnEh · 26/03/2015 14:10

MaybeDoctor - yes, it was me. :) I got ripped to shreds on that thread! I was quite new to MN and hadn't expected such a lively debate. :-)

We ended up splitting up in 2009 and finally divorced in 2013. We get on quite well now, as exes go.

The book was really good and would definitely improve a marriage that's essentially sound (but just going through a bad patch). But my exH and I were simply really badly suited. We disagreed on EVERYTHING, except the kids.

I'm getting married again this summer. (happy dance) I might dig out my copy of FW again. It does work. Except she says you'll enjoy housework more the more you do, and the more effort you put into it... Which didn't really pan out for me. It remained as thankless as ever.

WhatsGoingOnEh · 26/03/2015 14:14

I wouldn't recommend separate bedrooms! I think women love them but men HATE them. Men hate them on a really deep level, they find them lonely and sad, whereas we just enjoy the silence and the opportunity to put up fancier curtains, etc.

My parents have been married since 1509BC (almost) and mum moved into the spare room last autumn after Dad was recovering from an operation. He HATES it, really really really hates it.

More date nights sound amazing. Can't you start there and leave the bedroom thing for a bit?

I realise why you wouldn't take my advice though - ha! :)

WhatsGoingOnEh · 26/03/2015 14:18

FW also says women should be really slim. It apparently makes men feel more protective when we're tiny. I messed up on that one with exH; when he finally left, I was a size 18. I used to spend every night in the kitchen teaching myself to bake, just to get away from him (under the guise of doing something nice for all of us).

FragileBrittleStar · 26/03/2015 14:19

seen it work a few times to be honest- it just breaks the viscious circle/downwards spiral you can get into.
A friend of mine swears the best piece of advice she was given when her marriage was struggling was to give her DH a BJ..I settled for making cups of tea

thatsnotmynamereally · 26/03/2015 14:35

WhatsGoingOn Flowers I have to say I LOVED that thread, found it rather funny, but felt very sorry for the OP who it seemed had only posted with the best of intentions. I couldn't resist chipping in here as my confirmed verbally and emotionally abusive H gave me that book for Christmas, along with '26 Ways to be a Better Wife' and a few other meaningless insights!

Point being, selfish and entitled men will always think that YOU need to give more, to love them more, to appreciate them more, sex them more etc, and it will end up sucking the life out of you... of course it will work for a few days, as he 'rewards' you for good behaviour, but is it worth it when the demands will only ramp up? I'm speaking from a point of despair. If you're in a healthy relationship it must be great.

But I think if you're questioning it, you may be sliding down a slippery slope already, and before you know it the things you thought were doing to be nice will have become expectations and you'll never get any sort of 'thank you' or gesture in return because your DP will think you just love basking in his glory.

Canyouforgiveher · 26/03/2015 15:01

I did this when the children were small-decided I was going to see the best in my husband rather than get resentful over stuff. Mind you he is a decent lovely man who loves me - but it was becoming easy to feel/say things like "bastard didn't fold the laundry" instead of "thanks for the cup of tea" even if both things were happening. We still are very affectionate and nice to each other. I go by the rule that I will be as nice if not nicer to the people who live with me than anyone else in my life.

Coincidentally, I just read a piece on salon.com about this. four scientific ways to improve your marriage. two of them are:

#1Be nice as often as you can. A lot of modern relationship therapy is based on the research of John Gottman, a prolific psychologist famous for videotaping thousands of couples and dissecting their interactions into quantifiable data. One of his most concrete findings was that happier couples had a ratio of five positive interactions to every negative interaction. “That just leapt off the pages of the data analysis,” he says. It was true in very different types of relationships, including those in which the people were very independent and even distant or argumentative. These positive interactions don’t have to be grand gestures: “A smile, a head nod, even just grunting to show you’re listening to your partner—those are all positive,” Gottman says.

#4 Ignore the bad, praise the good. Observations of couples at home reveal that people who focus on the negative miss many of the positive things that their partners are doing. Happy spouses, however, ignore the annoyances and focus on the good. “If your wife is irritable one morning, it’s not a big deal. It’s not going to become a confrontation,” Gottman says. “Then when she does something nice, you notice and comment on that.” Guess what that breeds? More of the good stuff.

WhatsGoingOnEh · 26/03/2015 18:13

I love those tips! I've read John Gottman stuff but I think I'm going to refresh my memory. He's really clever. I heard him say, the team in his Love Lab can predict with scary (like 90% or something) accuracy which couples will get divorced, within just 30 minutes of watching them interact.

It's horrible how easy it is to let negativity creep into a relationship when you start living together. My DP is a DREAMBOAT - helpful, bright, gorgeous, funny, sexy, sweet - but I've still managed to find bad stuff in just 5 months of our living together. :-( What happens to me?!

I think BJs are a great idea. Any sex at all. Just SHAG them. Shag when you're annoyed, before you pick a fight. Just shag instead, and see afterwards if you're still annoyed about whatever it was.

Thenapoleonofcrime · 26/03/2015 19:43

If you are just in a negative cycle, and both reasonable nice people, this can work. I read the Gottman book and counted up our positive/negative interactions and they were way too negative, re-setting them by being nice (even if the other person initially responds in the old critical way) can help with this. I don't think it is practical to be like this just to maintain a marriage, you have to basically get on and basically being nice can't be so hard, but if you are just in a bit of a rut or having a bad patch, I do think being more conscious about your interactions can work.

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