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Long and a bit of a repeat, but could really, really do with advice please :(

60 replies

whatisyournameplease · 25/03/2015 13:49

I have NC and posters may recognise me from previous posts - but please don't comment with 'changing your name won't get a different response' - I have done so as I really want to keep my identity from RL private.

I met DP 4 years ago. We lived togehter after 8 months, for what was a wonderful nearly 2 years. We moved apart due to work, despite the fact we could have lived in the middle, my DP didn't want to have to have a 40 minute commute to work compared with what was his current 20 minute one. When we moved in, we always knew I would have to move due to work for a temporarly 20 month time frame. We discussed it and I made it clear if we moved in I would want us to live in the middle when my job started. He was all for it throughout the duration of us living together, but when it came to it, right at the last minute (ie the day before we were going to sign on a tenancy), he changed his mind. I later realised he had told his friends and family that he had no intention of moving to the middle of our works, at least a week beforehand. He also told his parents that I was being unfair on him etc etc, and they actually thought I had made him go and view houses...when in actual fatc he had volunteered to view many after work when I was working late and sent me photos! The whole thing broke me, I was so upset, and...what was my DP's reaction? To say he needed space. So he had 2 weeks of not seeing me, right when I had started my new job and could have really done with some support. He even didn't speak to me over one weekend, didn't answer texts, nothing. I'm still not 100% past all this - it hurts to think about it. That was a few months back, and since then, he has been in and out of the UK with work, so I have seen him very little, maybe 3 weeks on, 3 off, for example. We never moved to the middle. Just to add to the mix, in this time frame, his mother asked to move in with him...she is extremely nasty about me and has said in the past that she doesn't want me there when my DP visits - she would rather just see him. They have what I feel to be an odd relationship - he had cried once when she fell out with her friend (oshe loses friends on a regular basis). She can also be manipulative with DP - telling him what other sons have done for their mothers, with a clear 'point' to it. She is divorced. Anyway, that's just an added extra.

Things were getting better for a while - DP seemed to have made an effort to stop MIL from being negative about our relationship and to accept us. We would go out when he visited and he was quite generous with money (not that he struggles for it). It got to the point where he decided that yes, it was right for us to move to the middle and that he regretted not having done so at the time, and 'can only apologise.' We started looking at places. 2 weeks later, he announces he is moving to New Zealand for 6 months and he is happy about it. He has offered to pay rent for me here so we can go ahead with gettind 'our place' and starting afresh. He has offered to give me use of his car and he will still make the monthly payments. He has said he will pay for me to fly out and he will come back. He says he wants it to work. I feel utterly broken and exhausted after all that has happened. I feel I can't trust him as he always said he wouldnt go to New Zealand for more than a month. He has told me he wants to marry me (says this regularly, but no ring..., just words), says he loves me and is committed, and says when he is back we will buy somewhere (it coincides with me finishing my 20 month working away).

I have found the whole thing really difficult to accept. I feel so lost and his reaction so far this week has been to pretty much say 'deal with it.' I know that is what I have to do, but why isn;t he making it any easier? How do I even knoe he will want to come back after 10 months? His track record of being genuine isn't exactly great. I have of course told him al lthi s- to which he says I have to believe him. If it is going to work I need to be positive and happy etc, and at the moment I am a mess. Is this just an unlucky streak and should I forgive the past and try again with this huge challenge to trust his intentions? Please help.

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tribpot · 25/03/2015 15:02

why would he pay money each month and buy me flights to see him, if he doesnt actually want to be with me?

He hasn't done this! Why do you keep believing him when he says this kind of thing?

why would he say the things he does if he doesnt mean them?

Er well, he's clearly a habitual liar. If he didn't say them he'd have to have a deep discussion with you about where the relationship is heading (boring) so it gives him an easier life. And eventually you would realise he's stringing you along and leave you, which would be inconvenient for him as he'd have the bother of finding a new girlfriend. Who might not be such a pushover.

And for all this he may STILL meet someone else in NZ. And then where will you be?

HootyMcTooty · 25/03/2015 15:07

Why are you staying with the wrong person for fear you won't find the right person to spend your life with?

He might be saying all the right things, but his actions are telling you that he's just not that into you. Sorry, but I'd run for the hills over the potential MIL issues alone!

pinkfrocks · 25/03/2015 15:09

I have read all of your post OP but skimmed the rest of the replies. I don't know your back story so am only going on this thread.

I am really sorry but it is very clear that this man does not want a permanent or closer relationship with you. He's like a fish on a hook- the more you try to reel him in, the harder he pulls away.

You don't have a partner- only in your memories now. I know this is really hard to accept but he is a piss-taker. He says enough to keep you hanging on but he has no intention of making good.

Please bin him, see him for the hopeless liar he is, get your self-worth back and meet someone who adores you. You are worth so much more than this selfish man.

whatisyournameplease · 25/03/2015 15:14

thank you everyone. I guess that is true..i have nothing right now that proves anything. he said he wanted to set up a bank account for us this week before he leaves. i just dont know what to think anymore but deep down I guess I know I deserve better. I wanted to be happy with him so much and absolutely loved living with him. It breaks my heart and makes me wonder where that man has gone...he existed when we lived together and he was good to me :(

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tribpot · 25/03/2015 15:19

Sounds like he can't be arsed putting on his good guy act full time, doesn't it? Plus what about mummy?

You still have a range of options before you. You could:

  • agree to separate for the duration of his job and see where you are when he returns
  • call it quits now
  • agree to visit (at his expense) once and review the situation after that
  • stick to his original plan of regular visits and so forth
  • the above + ask him to marry you
  • the above + GET married

But what I really really would NOT do is move into a place in which you are dependent on his money. As I do not believe it will be forthcoming for the entire duration of his absence. Setting up a joint account is another meaningless gesture (if he even does it).

HappyAsASandboy · 25/03/2015 15:46

Everyone else has given good advice and I won't repeat it.

I'm posting to answer your question of why he'd say the things he says and pay for the things he is offering to pay for. It is because saying those things and paying for those things give him options for the future :(

If he goes to NZ, earns enough to fund his life out there, and pays you a contribution for rent/air fares/car upkeep, then the guy has all the options he wants. If he meets a great girl on NZ and decides to stay then he can bin you and write off the money. If he hates NZ and wants to come home then he can come home and choose to either bin you or pick up where you left off.

Basically, for the cost of a few hundred quid a month, he's buying choices about his future :(

Please don't be bought like this. Split up before he goes, and get on with your life. You can always meet up when he comes back and see if there is something worth having there, but personally I wouldn't want to be with someone who thought as little of me as this guy seems to think of you.

PS cards and presents on valentines day don't mean love and respect in the relationship. Anyone can blow a bit of money on roses and jewellery on one day of the year, but this guy has shown that he won't commute 40 mins to live with you, and worse, is too chicken to talk to you about it until tenancy day :(

Cherryapple1 · 25/03/2015 15:47

I think you want to be happy with someone - but you are projecting that onto him. Sadly he is never going to do enough to be the person you want him to be. You have to decide if half a relationship is enough for you. I think you deserve better - is a shame you can't see that too.

If a man wants to marry you - he will marry you. Not tell you it may happen one day.

PringleLicker · 25/03/2015 15:49

But what I really really would NOT do is move into a place in which you are dependent on his money. As I do not believe it will be forthcoming for the entire duration of his absence. Setting up a joint account is another meaningless gesture (if he even does it).

^This
And please don't move to somewhere in the 'middle', which is less convenient for your current job, while he is not even around for a while anyway. Put yourself first. He is. Flowers

PringleLicker · 25/03/2015 15:51

And for another perspective on 'why would he say these things' - because it's easier to say what you want to hear than to tell you anything different and argue about it.

pinkfrocks · 25/03/2015 15:57

It breaks my heart and makes me wonder where that man has gone...he existed when we lived together and he was good to me

But WAS it all that good or did you ignore some of the things that are happening now? Even if it WAS good, relationships change. I doubt he has 'gone' anywhere- he was there all the time but he just hid his other side from you during the early 'honeymoon phase' of your romance.

You want a man who is going to be good to you forever- not 2 measly years.

Try not to let your desperation to be married be the reason you try to hang onto someone who will only hurt you again and again.

The fact he'd not commit to a 40 min commute instead of his 20 mins shows how selfish he is. I hope you will take off the rose tinted specs and see him for what he is.

Tell him it's over, don't wait for him when he is away- get out there, join clubs, do online dating, take a singles holiday- whatever- but get him out of your head as best you can.

HellonHeels · 25/03/2015 16:01

This is a man who wouldn't add 20 minutes to his commute to enable you both to live together and get to work comfortably. He pulled out of your planned tenancy at the very last minute, without discussing it with you first.

How could you possibly trust him to pay a share of the UK rent, keep paying for his car so you can use it and all the other things he's promised while he is away? He isn't going to change. This is the real him.

What age group are you in OP? You can do a lot better than this. Cut yourself loose and make some space for a genuine decent man if that's what you want.

whatisyournameplease · 25/03/2015 16:05

I am in my late twenties. I feel so hurt and confused and lost. I literally gave my everything to the relationship - I cared for him so much and would have always stuck by him. Even when his mum was rude about/to me, I would have always looked after her as she grew older and done by best by him and his family. I am so broken and feel so humiliated and sad.

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whatisyournameplease · 25/03/2015 16:14

People keep posting about the length of commute... that was him driving. I would have been faced with a 58 minute train and a ten min walk either side. Feel even more ridiculous and pathetic now.

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tribpot · 25/03/2015 16:15

You were a committed and caring girlfriend. That's nice. But this isn't a fairy tale where the nice girl who works hard and is kind to small animals meets a handsome prince. The person you haven't looked after and cherished and considered is yourself.

You have to choose the right person to be nice to. There's nothing to feel humiliated about - you were lied to, blatantly lied to. You were trusting and in the process were taken advantage of.

He's done you a favour by being as flaky as he is. Because I believe you when you say you would have put up with his appalling mother through her declining years - no doubt whilst he kept pissing off to the other side of the world where he didn't have to deal with her himself. Thank your lucky stars you didn't have children with this asshat.

I worry that you don't feel you can speak to any of your friends about this. Don't you have any friends who are more your friends than his? I bet you do, given you are a genuine, nice person and he is, er, rather the opposite of that. You may feel you are being disloyal - fuck knows what dropping out of a tenancy on the day of signing without warning is, but anyway - but you have the right to reach out to your friends. Do so now, I bet you will find some of them saw through him years ago.

whatisyournameplease · 25/03/2015 16:20

I have spoken to two friends IRL and both (one in particualr) say I should end it completely. My mum has been a little more forgiving, saying I should just give him a chance to prove himself to me, and if he dosnt, then leave. But I think that's beacuse she knows how much time I have invested in him and how excited i was for a future with him.

I genuinely wanted to be there for him and his family. Last Christmas I gave presents to his parents (divorced) and neither contacted meto thank me, and I spent ages in particular for him mum, choosing something special as she doesnt have a partner. I don;t know why i bothered at all... i could turn the other cheek to his family behaving like that, but when he's so offand with me...what's the point.

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whatisyournameplease · 25/03/2015 16:21

*offhand

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pinkfrocks · 25/03/2015 16:23

The PP makes some good points, OP.

Just because you think you did all the right things, doesn't mean the relationship will work. In fact it may have worked better if you'd not been so much a doormat and had been more demanding, putting up with none of his crap.

Please don't think that you are in some last-chance saloon because you are late 20s- what is that- 27, 29?- and you will never meet anyone else.

I can think of 3 friends off the top of my head who married at 35 and had 2 children at 36 and 38 and are all doing fine. You have years left.

You will not keep a man- especially a bad man- by being so accommodating and selfless.

Please take some time out to have fun, focus on building your self-worth and not diving into a serious relationship until you have set your bastard radar correctly!

popalot · 25/03/2015 16:27

If he makes you feel like shit, time to end it. No point being with someone who doesn't suit your needs and make you feel content. Sorry, but I wouldn't waste any more of your precious life on someone who, whether they realise it or not, makes you feel crappy. It's just a waste of time. Don't wait for someone to change, because they won't. They are who they are. You sound unhappy and bottom line is you probably need time on your own and to find someone eventually who doesn't need to change for you because they make you happy to start with.

whatisyournameplease · 25/03/2015 16:29

I guess I thought that if he loved me he would be happy that I put so much effort in. I cared for him so much. Clearly too much.

I always thought it was a warning side when he had said for so long we would move to the middle and then he didn't, for the sake of 40-45 mins commute.

His mother also said to him that he shouldnt be affected my my needs, and that i was too clingy. God knows where that came from when I have a perfectly good job, my own money and I moved to get on with my own job, AND i've been completely patient and understanding with his constant travel. her influence obviously hasn't done him any good.

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HellonHeels · 25/03/2015 16:30

He and his family are losers, OP. You deserve so much more and so much better than this.

I don't agree with your mum at all. He's had so many chances to prove himself to you and he hasn't. Her way of thinking is called the sunk cost fallacy - that you've invested so much into this person that calling it off now would be a waste. It isn't - what would be terribly wasteful would be for you to squander your youth and all the opportunities that potentially are before you on holding out for this deeply flawed and selfish man to be what you want and treat you the way you deserve - with love, respect and care. He won't do that.

I'm sorry you are hurting but better to get it over with now than in one, two or more years' time.

PringleLicker · 25/03/2015 16:36

You will not keep a man- especially a bad man- by being so accommodating and selfless.

Yes. Unfortunately if you don't consider your own needs too, you often end up with someone who also doesn't consider them.

pinkfrocks · 25/03/2015 16:36

what age is he and his mum? Not that it really matters...

It sounds as if she is far too close to him and his girlfriends and has him under her thumb or tries to- for her own ends. Another reason to leave- toxic family by the sound of it.

whatisyournameplease · 25/03/2015 16:37

his mum advised him to ignore my needs anyway...so i guess even if i had focused on mine then it wouldnt have ended well.

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PringleLicker · 25/03/2015 16:38

I'm sorry you are hurting too. You shouldn't be with someone who hurts you. Flowers

PringleLicker · 25/03/2015 16:39

Yes, it does sound like his Mum has too much influence.