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Is my DP going senile or is he messing me about?

64 replies

supersop60 · 19/03/2015 19:29

Very small incidents in the great scheme of things - first, the laundry basket has gone missing. It's just a fold up basket, when it's finished with it folds up and leans against the wall in the downstairs loo area. It's gone. DP swears he doesn't know where it is, but he's done a lot of washing this week. I haven't put it anywhere.
Second, I have a can of dry shampoo on the bedside table - SO useful. It's gone. I haven't thrown it away. DP - "I don't know". I said "Did you knock it over when you opened the curtains perhaps? and move it?" No.
Oh, and then I find it in a vanity bag under my side of the bed, underneath a couple of other make-up bags. I didn't put it there, I need it handy.
Has he really forgotten or is he acting out?
Oh, and he's starting moaning about me to the children for things I haven't done and which quickly become apparent.

OP posts:
VeryAgedParent · 20/03/2015 08:57

My lovely friend's Dementia started in her 50's, her language got a bit colourful, she started to drink heavily and spout some bizarre opinions and got obsessed with discussing certain subjects at length. It was out of character, so we all recognised that something was amiss.

Theres obviously something going on with the OP's DH be it stress, the beginnings of dementia, or just a late mid life crisis.

I would advise watching him closely, how he is with other people, is it behaviour that just appears at home? how is he with your DC's.

If you've got the nerve and could cope with the outcome, ask him bluntly is he happy with the way his life is, does he still love you and the kids or would he rather be elsewhere?

Nomama · 20/03/2015 11:40

Of course, the dementia could be yours.... that sunk cost could be all his!!

And what is wrong with the bath mat at 90degrees to the bath? It is easier to stand on that way!!

TheMoa · 20/03/2015 11:45

Why are you so sure you didn't do the thongs you are accusing him of OP?

You would be equally unaware. It could be a stress thing, or just absent mindedness.

We got rid of bath mays years ago, partly because they moved around so much they were a hazard!

dratsea · 20/03/2015 11:57

We will all get dementia, or old, or both. As an oldie, who struggled with two parents (both now resting in urns) and advising my wife with her two still living but very frail parents, I have an interest. Mostly men stay strong longer. (open the jar dear) but brains fail early and can loose it fast even with a wife/DP. Women live longer, get very frail, despite better mental abilities, and eventually "choose" to give up.

Have you both registered enduring power of attorney? Do you have children? Any great grand children? I have left it far too late for dggs but hope to hang on long enough for first dgc.

Should, or perhaps, when the time comes I do hope my dear wife will have me put down/locked up/or just cope with my incapacity.

But to try to help you may find help from a memory clinic and it should be available from a very young (FMPOV) age.

But I guess the consensus will be LTB.

dratsea · 20/03/2015 12:10

Sorry. Yes, you have children, he moans to them. It is hard getting old!

FredaMayor · 20/03/2015 12:23

Just a thought, OP, has your DP been 'entertaining' at your home in your absence? The misplaced objects could be an attempt to tidy things away in a hurry, and the existence of a 'guest' might explain the ratty disposition.

dratsea · 20/03/2015 12:30

But I guess the consensus will be LTB.

Thanks Freda QED

WiseOldBird · 20/03/2015 13:41

I know this may sound a bit strange, but do you think he could have been using your shampoo and make up and wearing your clothes and then having to wash them?

LisaMed · 20/03/2015 13:53

It sounds a bit odd, especially about the dry shampoo.

Do you find stuff that isn't important to you hidden away in strange corners? Or is stuff important to him going missing and turning up in odd places later? It may be that there is an underlying issue, and getting answers to these may help define it. Dementia and mental illness can come out in funny ways. If he is messing you about, looking at any pattern can also help.

It may be helpful to keep a secret journal. Whatever you do, don't let him find out about it, regardless of why these things happening. Mark down what goes missing/moves, where it is found and whether there was anything else going on at the same time. It may be helpful to find a diagnosis or to realise he is messing with you. If he finds the journal, no matter what the reason for his behaviour, then it will be harder to work out what is what. Also note where/when/if stuff is found.

If you are happy with him in general then how can you make sure that stuff that is important to you is kept safe. btw I suggest you have a discreet round up of important paperwork. Whatever is going on you may like to make sure things like passports are okay.

Good luck.

cozietoesie · 20/03/2015 14:21

Nomama

My reaction was mainly because of the oddity of doing that sporadically and without reason. People almost always have fairly set automatic routines when it comes to certain activities and bathing is one of those. (You pick up a flannel/whatever with a certain hand, you start off soaping a certain part of the body with a certain hand, you get out of the bath/shower and wrap a towel around your hair using a certain twist etc etc - try it next time you bathe. If you do it the wrong way, you'll likely feel deeply uncomfortable.)

I can understand perfectly that someone might think to put the bathmat on the floor in a different way as a trial, or if the wind is in a difficult quarter (ie with reason) but to do it generally one way and then - for no reason - vary it significantly is distinctly quirky.

Nomama · 20/03/2015 14:25

cozietoesie Don't visit us, we'd drive you round the twist. We are a bit more like Jack Spratt and wife... so we move things 'awry' on a regular basis Smile

cozietoesie · 20/03/2015 14:28
Smile
Higgle · 20/03/2015 16:25

Male menopause? Testosterone levels low? There was something in the DM (sorry) about this today.

supersop60 · 20/03/2015 19:17

I am going to start a diary.
I am going to speak to him about the EA - it's still affecting me even if it isn't affecting him and I have a lot of anger and resentment.
That's probably why all these little things are bothering me so much - he has always put things in odd places ( mainly in his controlling way of 'tidying up')
Thanks for your interest and opinions Flowers

OP posts:
horrayforharoldlloyd · 20/03/2015 19:49

OP - I remember your thread about the EA - your DH is a music teacher? The reason I clearly remember your thread was because your DH came across as an abusive twat. I think that it is likely that he is still a twat, and there is no more to it. He lied to you repeatedly, ignored your thoughts feelings and wishes, and generally gas lighted you.

SpringTown46 · 21/03/2015 09:33

You need one of those Teddy bears with the hidden webcam. Only slightly joking.

JamesAndTheGiantBanana · 21/03/2015 09:44

Omg are there any threads in the relationship section which don't end in "It's abuse! You're a victim! LTB!" Hmm Do you really advise she break up a marriage because he (allegedly) hid her dry shampoo, and moved the bathmat?? Really, if "leave" is your go to response for everything, maybe you've been haunting this board too long.

Op, he sounds forgetful and grumpy. If he's very busy and/or tired, and getting older that's probably why. Either ask him outright if he's doing things to wind you up and gauge his reaction carefully, or accept that he's growing into a silly old duffer. We will too, one day.

queenoftheknight · 21/03/2015 10:19

My first thought was gaslighting. IF that turns out to be the case, it is very serious abuse. VERY serious.

Just because YOU don't understand abuse James, don't judge those who do.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 21/03/2015 10:20

Generally people who are happy in their relationship do not post about their relationships on a relationships thread.

They are not married.

Not all people grow old and become silly old duffers.

Two years ago he had an EA with the mother of one of his pupils and refuses to discuss it. That fact alone is a huge problem.

kittenwrestler · 21/03/2015 10:23

Why would you suggest OP stays with an unfaithful abuser James? Don't you think she deserves better than that. This is way more than a doddery bloke who misplaces a couple of items.

sakura · 21/03/2015 11:21

I am sorry to hear you are going through this.

I think Attila is right that you should consider the possibility this is deliberate. Even if it's not you are not obliged to stay with somebody who makes your life so uncomfortable.

I want to respond to dratsea's comment.
It's not true that we all get dementia. It's also not true that men stay stronger longer. Quite the opposite. Men deteriorate and die sooner than women. And this is universal. Women outlive their same-age husbands sometimes by 30 years. This is a global trend.

sakura · 21/03/2015 11:23

When I say "universal" I mean the trend is universal, across the globe.

AnaMagnolia · 21/03/2015 11:52

Hi,

what you describe from his behaviour is exactly what a friend of mine told me about her abusive husband, that she's now trying to leave. He moves around her stuff every now and then, especially the things she likes and wears often, just to drive her crazy and make her self-doubt. She knows it's him but he obviously denies it. This is certainly not dementia! If it were dementia, he would be losing his own stuff and forget his plans for the day, forget things he was saying, get lost etc. He wouldn't be so sure of himself. My grandmother had dementia and it's nothing like what you describe. He's targeting your stuff deliberately, it's a strategy of violence. It's used to destabilise and weaken your own judgement. If you no longer trust your perceptions, then it increases your tolerance to violence, as you're more likely to think you imagined it, that it's in your head, or that it's your fault.

The other thing you say about him is quite alarming, that he moans about you to the children for things he hasn't done. He is aware of what he's doing, and the deliberate effect of this is to turn your children against you. Again, this is a very typical strategy of abuse: abusers recruit allies, devalorise the victim in the eyes of others to isolate her, make others think she's crazy, stupid...

And you also say he swears in front of you: even if it's not directly against you, how does it make you feel? If someone were unpredictable and for very small things like that in front of me it would certainly make me hypervigilant and anxious not to make him angry. And unpredictability, sudden moodswings from nice to angry for very minor things is also abusive.

All this seems very serious to me and staying with him is likely to affect your physical and mental health badly, especially on the long run.

You say that he also has good sides and you'd like to save this: of course, it's important to aknowledge them. Most abusers are human and you wouldn't have gone into a relationship with him if he didn't have good sides: if he were only violent and never nice, you would have left immediately. But the thing with abusers is that the good sides are what keeps us attached to him in spite of his violence. It makes us forget the violence, or want to forget it, or blame ourselves for it. We question the reality of it. We want to believe that only the nice side is real and that his violence isn't real. And this in itself is very dangerous because it's what can keep us 20 years or more in a very abusive relationship because it fuels our hope that he will change, that one day he will stop being violent. So actually his being nice and caring every now and then is part of the danger. It makes him more dangerous because it destroys our capacity to identify his violence and protect ourselves from him by cutting all contact.

abusers don't ever stop being abusive to their victims. The abuse doesn't change, what changes are their strategies. If they notice we start resisting more, or that their strategies don't work on us as much as they used to, or if they notice we're planning to leave, they can make a U-turn and change their behaviour for a while just long enough to deceive us.

You're not responsible for this. It's difficult to accept that the one we love is the one who is dangerous and destructive to us, but it's his fault, not yours. He's responsible for it. You need to protect yourself and leave as soon as you feel ready to do so. He is very dangerous to your physical and mental health.

AnaMagnolia · 21/03/2015 12:08

just another thing, i agree with sakura that no-one has the right to treat you this way. Whatever his intentions, the fact is that his behaviours are harmful to you and you visibly suffer from this. And for this alone, you have a right to want it to stop and and to leave.

JamesAndTheGiantBanana · 21/03/2015 16:56

I understand abuse, thanks. I grew up with an alcoholic father who was physically, verbally, emotionally and sexually abusive. I just think not every situation in Relationships calls for the op to leave!