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Definitely going to court, scared

103 replies

attheendofmyteatheragain · 26/02/2015 23:31

Just before christmas, I had a thread on here about my nasty exp who was constantly telling me he would take me to court if i did not agree to x, y or z and would torment me with threats of cutting off child maintenance

anyway I got so many fantastic replies and a lot of really sound advice which gave me the courage to say to him, fine..take me to court (possibly one of the best feelings ever)

So there is now finally a court date next week, but I'm a little nervous as communication is absolutely not my strong point, and I definitely need a few pointers re what to leave out/convey when it is my chance to speak..

A bit of backstory.....exp ended our (albeit short) relationship when I was five months pregnant (by text) a few days before we were due to move in together and informed me that I would need to find alternative accomodation. Turns out he was frequently seeing his ex girlfriend who happened to be his next door neighbour which he had of course kept quiet about

he was pretty nasty about the whole thing and I was naturally in bits so we had very little contact until a few months later when we met up to discuss what was going to happen once the little one was born. He sat across from me and told me I was a parasite as he now had to pay child maintenance for many years Sad he then went on to say that he WILL be having DS every single weekend and that if that doesn't happen he will take me to court to get 50/50 custody. I was 24years old at the time, naive and feeling very vulnerable. he was 33 and I suppose, desperately trying to scare me

I walked away from him in disbelief, then got a call five minutes later from him to say that if I dare go to csa for cm payments, he would quit his job, and make his (undeclared) rental properties work as his main income to ensure I never receive a single penny from him. he is quite the charmer

the next few months were pretty crap to say the least but at least I had learned I had an incredibly lucky escape

So DS was born and he took paternity leave and would turn up at my doorstep each day at 9am waiting to be let in and wouldn't leave til 7pm usually it was horrific as I couldn't stand the sight of him yet wasn't able to stand up to him. thank you for reading this far

I moved back to my hometown to be close to my family and friends which is a 45/50 minute drive away. then started back work when DS was 9months old. I was worried about money at that point so after a few months I decided to work at weekends as that was an option for me and I did'nt feel like paying large amounts of money for childcare was

This worked out very well for exp as my place of work at the time was very close to his home, so I would drop DS every fri and then collect him every Sunday at 5pm after work.

I hated the job I was in, the cost of travelling and the fact I never got any weekend time with DS so when a much better job came up locally, which was better paid etc I was delighted to get it, exp was not impressed however.

I then moved in with my partner and that week exp told me he would not pay any cm unless I continued to travel up weekly to collect DS, on top of that he would take me to court to get 50/50 so he wont have to pay cm ever again Angry He didnt pay much anyway but not having it would cripple me unfortunately so I felt my hands were tied and although I hated myself for doing this I agreed. I often work a Sunday and travelling up to the city was tiring, expensive and after having worked midweek also was the absolute last thing I wanted to be doing, and felt I had no quality of life whatsoever

I tried to discuss with him a few times about me having DS the occasional weekend but was met with, 'fine, I'll have hom sun-fri then', I was that or 'I'll have him thu and fri in that case but I won't be travelling to take him to preschool, it's not school so he wont miss much and it's not important anyway Angry

then christmas happened, we decided he would have DS next year for xmas eve and day, but as it got closer to christmas he changed his mind and tried to dictate that he was having him no matter what, and if I dont agree he'll take me to court Cue a mumsnet thread by myself and I was able to say NO! of course it was all bluff, and after christmas he never did try to take me to court but he would not agree to me having my own son on a weekend and I felt very strongly that I shouldn't have to do the travelling to collect so told him what i wanted, eow plus a night through the week and if he wasnt happy with that he could contact a solicitor. thanks again for getting this far and I can now get to the point.....

This is a guy who also told me he didnt want to pay cm until DS was 6months old as 'you're breastfeeding, he doesn't cost you anything' Confused has dicated terms of contact and travel since I was pregnant! and now wants 50/50 custody or at the very least, every single weekend with DS. please tell me this wont go his way?

all the things he said to me which I mentioned upthread, most have to do with cm. as the court hearing is about contact, would I be stopped if I say this? he also has been clever enough to never have written it in an email, the only evidence I have is a text message from him on boxing day telling me he was unemployed so going to cms would be pointless, but this was not true, he was and is employed and is earning huge amounts of money (which I cant understand why he grudges paying cm)

he is very much a bully who needs absolute control at all times and this is unfortunately all just about exerting control over me rather than meeting DSs best interests. but I'm dreading court, he is verrry intelligent and good at communicating well. he will be a pro in that court room and I fear I will be emotional and say the wrong thing.

there is history of severe mental health conditions in his family, should I bring this up? who is likely to be asked what first? any help would be really appreciated

OP posts:
WellWhoKnew · 02/03/2015 21:37

Wow. Congratulations what a lovely uplifting thing to read. Well done you.

attheendofmyteatheragain · 02/03/2015 22:03

God bless mumsnet indeed! I recognize some names from my previous threads so yes, taking the time to tell me to go for it re court was time well spent Grin thanks again. such a great feeling

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currentnameinuse · 02/03/2015 22:26

What about the travelling for access - I hope you don't have to do the drop offs and pick ups?

attheendofmyteatheragain · 02/03/2015 22:29

he grudgingly agreed to it so I never have to do the traveling Grin Grin Grin Grin

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attheendofmyteatheragain · 02/03/2015 22:31

apparently his lawyer has to very much spell it out to him that it is HIS responsibility and he was still not happy about it Shock

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attheendofmyteatheragain · 02/03/2015 22:32

Which is so very typical of egotistical exp and I'm not surprised in the slightest. moron

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nauticant · 02/03/2015 22:33

hahahahahaha, well done OP, you're a star.

currentnameinuse · 02/03/2015 22:35

oh well done - fab :) Bet that pissed on his chips.

AcrossthePond55 · 02/03/2015 23:13

Oh how wonderful! I'll bet it's a huge relief to have this right and tight. No more him messing with your head.

More proof of The Might Of Mumsnet!!!

Debinaround · 02/03/2015 23:41

Well done op. Flowers
You did it.
And happy birthday! Wine

MadameLeBean · 03/03/2015 06:25

So pleased you didn't have to go through a long drawn out court process. Well done for standing up for yourself!

CunningCat · 03/03/2015 07:50

Brilliant news OP, congratulations!Wine!

GammonAndEgg · 03/03/2015 19:52

Hurray!

attheendofmyteatheragain · 08/03/2015 20:57

sigh. thought that be the last of his bullying but of course that'll never stop

when he turned up to collect DS for contact he had a big smirk on his face telling me that the cms decision for maintenance will be going down as it was based on last year's earnings. fine, I have no control over that so whatever, but piss off with the big smirk acting all smug.

then he starts taking photographs of my property and car and tells me i'm breaking the law and committing legal aid fraud ShockConfused and asking me loads of questionsAngry I said goodbye exp and shut the door. then shortly afterwards text him to say I don't appreciate being verbally abused/threatened and if he continues to do so and take photos I will contact the police

why why why can't he just get on with his own life and leave me alone! it must take a he'll of a lot of energy to be so consistently hateful and trying to come up with a new way of getting to me. it's very sad actually. I told him to do any reporting he feels necessary if that will make him feel better and that his attempts at making my life difficult because he is bitter about what happened in court is very sad

he would rejoice in my misery. then I got a call from cms on Saturday to say he is disputing the cms decision. And I have no evidence whatsoever that he owns 6+ flats which are undeclared to the tax man

I'm trying to let it go over my head and not be affected by his shitty behaviour but it's difficultSad I don't want this for the rest of my life

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Holdthepage · 08/03/2015 21:03

Do you have the addresses of the flats? Anyone can search the Land Registry to find out the registered owner of a property. The search fee is £3.

Lweji · 08/03/2015 21:40

Also, if you do feel harassed, then do contact the police, refuse to have him around and go for contact through a 3rd party, which he has to arrange.

attheendofmyteatheragain · 08/03/2015 21:47

I only have 3 addresses, but the third one I can't remember what number the flat is so that would be a guess

I wonder if the police would take me seriously. a third party to collect DS would be fantastic. to not have to see/talk to exp him would be immense!

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attheendofmyteatheragain · 08/03/2015 21:54

he has kept DS nursery uniform also. from this week and last week. so two polo shirts and two jumpers (plus trousers)

which means I will need to go out and buy some which are the same colour but won't have the preschools emblem. ok so it's not the end of the world but ffs! the other spare one I have wi need to be washed every night as it gets pretty mucky usually and covered in food/paint etc

again this has been done intentionally to annoy me. he asked for 'his' clothes back that DS came back in after the last point of contact

this is ridiculously petty but exp usually never puts clothes on DS which he has bought, he will come back on a Sunday evening dressed for nurseryHmm

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Lweji · 08/03/2015 21:56

I'd stop weekend contact until the uniforms are returned, or he will need to take them to school in a clean uniform Monday morning.
Stick to your guns.

gallicgirl · 09/03/2015 09:11

Worth a guess I think. Also on the land reg, where it states the name of the owner, it also gives an address. This might be thesame address the proproperty or it could be the home address at the time of registration. However, its always possible this will throw up an address you're not aware of and you can do some searching on that. If he owns flats then search for leasehold rather than freehold.
You could also try searching 192.com for electoral register entries. You will have to pay to get details but if he's not declaring to taxman then he might also be making fraudulent mortgage applications.
I'd be inclined to report him to HMRC with whatever info you can show and hope theytake up the investigation.

gallicgirl · 09/03/2015 09:12

Oh, and he can have "his" clothes back once you have the uniform returned.

Momagain1 · 09/03/2015 10:06

You know by now to be keeping a log with the verious emails about uniform and clothes.

Damn the man. He needs a hobby!

Momagain1 · 09/03/2015 10:08

Sent too soon: if he is supposed to bring home Ds on Sunday, dont let that become dropping him at school on Monday in uniform! There is a court ordered (agreed? Sanctioned?) arrangement and if he thinks he can start whittling away at it to suit himself/annoy you, he is wrong!

nauticant · 09/03/2015 21:03

Remember this bit OP:

got another hearing in May to see how the order is working out

Log everything and see whether it might be possible to get the order amended to specify what needs to be done in those areas where he's being disruptive.

NettleTea · 09/03/2015 21:47

Keep a log of all his messing around. Make sure any problems are sent by text so that you can print off his arsy replies.
He seems to have forgotten that this is only a 'trial period' and that he should be on best behaviour because its not going to look good and he will get another telling off, or reduced access, if he carries on being such a stupid twat. You can also get these things added to the court order - ie that he MUST wash and return any uniforms on his weekends, that he must, later, ensure that any homework is done, and also importantly, if DS starts any clubs or gets invited to any parties that HE wants to go to, he should be taken or arrange to switch weekends.

If at any point he refuses to bring him back (say at Easter) then request a residency order too.

But fantastic - he really shot himself in the foot with threatening court - he never thought you would take him up on the offer. My ex did the same. Best thing that ever happened!