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My husband had an affair...

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RedSkittles · 18/02/2015 15:45

Hi All,

I really need some help.

Two days after Christmas, my son's first, I found out that my husband had been having an affair with a colleague. One who also happens to be my friend and sickeningly attended my baby shower, among other things. The affair had started in May, so had been going on throughout all of my pregnancy and once my baby boy was born in September.

To cut a long story short, they slept together in May, August and December (twice), while the rest of the time it was emotional i.e. involved messaging, popping out for coffee and the such, although there were kisses here and there. My husband was convinced that he loved her and in fact, told her the morning after they slept together. He nonetheless never made her any promises and in fact, told her that whatever was between them had to stop because he loved his wife and had no intention of leaving her.

Needless to say, when I found out (my husband left so many clues lying around that it was hard not to) my husband dropped her like a hot cake. He said he was relieved of all things. Apparently he had been trying to extricate himself from the start, but she had no respected his boundaries and he was weak. I guess that explains the long gaps between booty calls...

My husband is racked with guilt and self loathing. He has also been diagnosed with severe depression, and frankly given the panic attacks, anxiety, crying, shaking etc and complete lack of self worth that he is exhibiting I am not surprised. His depression was already present in May, but got increasingly worse as the affair progressed. It was devastating to watch and no know why! My husband says that he was at rock bottom when she made her move. He thought I did not love him.

Also, when he describes the affair he says it was horrible. Yes, there were moments of feeling slightly better than usual, but then immediately after he would feel worse than usual. He said he would not wish it on his worst enemy.

I can see why it happened. - The depression, my long hours at work and unappreciation of him and his burgeoning friendship with her, despite my warnings. We each acknowledge our fault in not looking after our marriage and being negligent.

My question is, do I forgive him? I mean what he did was so horrible. I was pregnant/at home with a new born, he had months in which to end it, he never actually wanted to loose me... How weak can he be?! What was the point?! Can anyone who has gone through something similar share their experience i.e did you forgive and did your marriage survive and, dare I ask, get better? Any advice would be appreciated. I feel so alone and like a failure. All my friend's marriages seem so perfect.

When we actually forget the affair we have moments of happiness....

OP posts:
Fatstacks · 18/02/2015 15:55

You are the only one who can answer this.

Your explanation sounds like you already have forgiven, lot of blame on OW and excusing shit behavior.
That's fine if you want to repair things, do what you need to do.

Don't settle for this because the alternative is too scary, it will make you bitter.
If you love him, it can be saved.

Sorry you are going through this Flowers

CaffeLatteIceCream · 18/02/2015 16:01

Forgive him if you want, but wise up the games he's trying to play first.

It's everyone's fault but his, isn't it? She caught him at a low ebb, he didn't think you loved him, blah blah.

Is all this devastation because of regret and knowing how badly he's hurt you, or because he got caught and it's what he thinks you want to hear?

Having an affair while your wife is carrying your first child is an absolutely disgusting thing to do. "It felt horrible"?? Rubbish. People don't continue to do thing that feel horrible.

I would also point out that it is exceptionally rare for men to come completely clean in the first instance regarding what's actually been going on. "It only happened 3 times" usually means "It happened 10 times" and so on.

Could he move out for a week or two to give you thinking space?

Really sorry that you're being put through this.

Only1scoop · 18/02/2015 16:02

It reads a little as when you 'found out' all of a sudden the anxiety and depression sort of happened ....he dropped her like a brick etc'

I think if he was finding the affair so 'awful' and it was making him so 'ill' ....he'd had 'dropped her like a brick' and confessed maybe?

What a pair if devious ugly liars....her at your baby shower but even worse....him knowing she was there.

I could never forgive and forget any of this from either of them.

For goodness sake don't blame yourself for their ongoing rancid affair.

So sorry you have had the special early times with your dc tainted by this deceit....

Take care Thanks

CaffeLatteIceCream · 18/02/2015 16:03

Oh, and I meant to say....you are NOT a failure. It is not your job to keep your husband behaving like a decent human being. It's his. And I doubt your friends marriages are anything like as perfect as they seem.

Only1scoop · 18/02/2015 16:04

Sorry for typos

DontstepontheMomeRaths · 18/02/2015 16:11

Have you read Shirley Glasses Not Just Friends? I think that's your best bet for now. You can take as long as you like to decide whether to end things. I took 5 months after discovering the affair.

That book really helped me a lot.

In my case ExH wasn't prepared to end the affair ultimately but I know looking back I did my best to save the marriage.

I can't tell you what to do. It's a huge decision to end things but equally living in a relationship where you can never trust them again can be worse.

Good luck

Quitelikely · 18/02/2015 16:13

If you want to know what was going through his head during that time ask the OW. Maybe she will tell you the truth?

I couldn't forgive this. It's on a mass scale and the fact that this woman came to your baby shower just makes it ten times worse

pocketsaviour · 18/02/2015 16:14

my husband left so many clues lying around
This feels very passive-aggressive. He obviously did want you to find out (unless he's a complete moron.)

If he was so unhappy and thought you didn't love him, he could have opened his mouth and used his words - instead he chose to open his flies and use his dick.

So now rather than step up and admit he did a terrible thing, he's emotionally fallen to pieces and put all the blame on the OW. She may well have pursued him (and she's clearly a cold-hearted bitch if she attended your baby shower while banging your husband) but it takes two to tango.

Whether you stay with him is your decision, and I would argue a separate one from whether or not you forgive him.

I would personally not make a decision until he had committed to a course of counselling to discuss not just his depression but why on earth he's chosen to get into this position seeing as he claims it was so awful and he loves you.

You don't have to make a binding decision right now. You can choose to wait and see. It will probably take some time for everything to sink in.

I would question whether he is using his depression as a "shield" to keep you from expressing your (righteous) anger.

So sorry you're going through this with a little one to care for. Please treat yourself kindly and put you and baby first. Flowers

Jan45 · 18/02/2015 16:22

Only thing true that he has told you is that he is weak, the rest is all crap designed at getting the sympathy vote, what a joke of a man, he can't even do the decent thing and leave you in peace to work out what it is you want to do, I know I wouldn't want to be with a cheat and liar and that's what he is, he's well and truly shown you that, funny how he dropped the OW from a high height - as soon as it came out.

The old line of you weren't paying attention, didn't love me enough has been peddled out so many times by cheats it's laughable - it has nothing to do with you and sex, it's all to do with him and his ego, what happens the next time you are busy being pregnant or nursing a baby-same thing?

Seriously OP, get rid so you can at least think about what you want to do and show him you are not sitting around tolerating this kind of shit cos that's exactly what it is.

Stop feeing a failure, he let you down, you did FA wrong, so sick of hearing about women blaming themselves for men who can't keep it in their pants, they do it cos they want to, not because you made them!

CogitoErgoSometimes · 18/02/2015 16:24

What's to forgive? The way he tells it, he was merely some innocent bystander. Hmm

'Forgiveness' youll find unfortunately is a very difficult option, even if it seems like the easy one at the moment. Think it through very carefully.

worrieddadof2 · 18/02/2015 16:48

From a male perspective who's wife has just had an EA, i could not forgive this. Im finding it hard enough when nothing physical actually happened, so had there been im sure we would have seperated.
Its really down to you & what you can recover/move on from.
Building trust again is the hardest part.

BigCatFace · 18/02/2015 16:49

Yes, and OW was a close friend too. We're still together, having our first child. I'm writing not to read and run and will come back later but you need to find your anger. You may be responsible for 50% of the problems in your marriage but he is 100% responsible for the affair. Not his depression, not her. Start there.

BigCatFace · 18/02/2015 16:52

Should say in my case he didn't sleep with her, it was emotional and kissing for 3 weeks but it was at a sisignificant time (we'd only been married 5 months). I'm not sure I could personally forgive the sex part but honestly the emotional stuff/texting haunted me more. Your mileage may vary. But none of this is your fault.

shovetheholly · 18/02/2015 16:57

OP, I feel for you. What a horrible situation.

I do believe that your DH is genuinely sorry (and probably having some kind of midlife crisis). What he did was a horrible betrayal, though, and no amount of sobbing and crying can undo it.

I think the answer to your question really depends on the pair of you and your attitude to this. Forgiveness can happen, relationships can move on, but it is extraordinarily hard work for both parties. It's the emotional equivalent of climbing Everest - and it will take years, not months or weeks to do. You may need to make a financial investment, too, in individual and couples counselling.

Are you prepared to do it? Is the marriage worth it? Can you put aside your anger and your righteous sense of injustice? And is he prepared to take full responsibility and to change behaviours - forever - in return so that you can rebuild the trust? (You may need to have a period of complete openness between you - things like using Google so that you can see where a partner is at all times can be helpful, not having 'private' phones or email accounts, etc. etc. Developing a sense of trust as a practice of having nothing hidden can support you through it).

crje · 18/02/2015 17:00

I couldn't , he hasn't taken any responsibility , he will always find an excuse .

Cockbollocks · 18/02/2015 17:00

Im not sure you can properly forgive until he admits properly to what he has done.

If he doesn't what happens next time he's feeling neglected or fed-up? Something that will inevitably happen with a small child around, you don't need to be babysitting him as well and his inability to know when slinking of with someone who pays attention is wrong.

ThePinkOcelot · 18/02/2015 17:03

Boo fucking hoo!! It was awful was it?! So awful that he went back for more. It was everyone' s fault but his, wasn't it?!

I couldn't forgive this OP! X

newnamefor15 · 18/02/2015 17:06

God, what a whiner. Him.

He isn't taking any responsibility for what he did, is he. It's your fault and the OW's fault, not poor little him's fault.

And he's still making it all about him and his feelings and crying and guilt and blah and blah and blah - instead of worrying about how you feel, what you need. It all seems terribly manipulative to me. You don't think this is the case. Selfish then?

How do you feel about those things?

It's down to him to try and fix your marriage. Whining and crying and blaming everyone but himself, and being manipulative, is not the way to do that. Marriages can be repaired after an affair IF the wronged party really wants to and thinks they will eventually be able to put this behind them. There's no obligation on you to try to do this, if you don't want. Not having a child, nothing forces you into this. If you want to then it maybe can be repaired IF the unfaithful one does the right things, genuinely. He isn't.

Childofmysoul · 18/02/2015 17:20

Most cheats claim to be depressed and full of hate for themselves.

Mom2K · 18/02/2015 17:25

No. I sure as hell would not forgive his behaviour. And I think you're crazy if you do.

He hasn't even given you a legitimate reason to want to keep him! Instead of begging for forgiveness and admiting it's all his fault because he is a selfish prick, he's blamed everyone else and made excuses. This is not a man who cocked up & truly regrets it and is willing to now prove himself to you (proving himself, making tremendous changes to gain your trust back, and accepting ALL blame is what he should be doing right now). He's doing the opposite. Dump him immediately and move on.

HootyMcTooty · 18/02/2015 17:27

He sounds tedious. I don't know how you can possibly forgive until he takes responsibility for the affair. So far it all seems to be OW's fault and a bit yours for working to hard Hmm

It's not your fault, it's not OW's fault, it's his fault he chose to cheat on you.

Sorry you're going through this.

HootyMcTooty · 18/02/2015 17:27

*too

worrieddadof2 · 18/02/2015 17:57

Remember, there is never an excuse to cheat. He was in full control of his actions, he made all the decisions. The ducking and diving he had to do in order to not get caught were all calculated & thought through by him, and only him.

MaMaof04 · 18/02/2015 18:18

Redskittle! My husband had an affair which resulted in a child. I can feel your pain. The circumstances of my H's affair might somehow 'explain' (we were far away for long stretches of time along some 2-3 years, for job reasons) and reduce the strength of the pain, but the results are quite tragic. Anyway I am telling in few words my story just to let you know that I can deeply feel your pain. My H hid the child for too long (he stopped the affair a long time ago), but he never stopped being present in her life (he is responsible); and just six months ago he told me about the affair and the child. Like you I decided to try to make my marriage recover. We are together- married but no sex. I hope one day my marriage will fully recover. Now can I forgive? I hope I will be able to. There are too many memories and 4 kids to fight for. (And he still loves me). However I do not want to sell myself cheap. He has to work hard and change the thinking/attitude/behavior that made him succumb to the charm of the OW first. And yes the OW's might actively seduce married men- especially the ones that love their wife and family (I know the OW- she tried hard to get him for close to a year). So yes it might be the case that your 'good' friend did the first steps. Your H might have however signaled her at some point one way or the other that he is vulnerable and somehow 'available' - despite his love for his wife. I would not go to the OW to discuss the affair. I would discuss it with him- I would discuss his behavior; the little things that ignited the affair /let the affair happen . He might be weak. He admitted to it. The question is: what kind of weakness? Is he the 'Mr Nice' who wants to please other people and who is psychologically weak. If yes then it might be that he needs to set boundaries (physical and psychological boundaries). He might need to be strengthened (tell him like we tell our daughters: even if you started kissing someone you can stop it at any time- even if you started fondling a lady you still can stop it- no it will not offend her- it will just save her from an affair with a married man and make you a decent person.) He must also start taking anti-depressant. Yes based on what I read (I read a lot) depression might trigger an affair ('forbidden' sex shot up the dopamine- the dopamine drop down shortly afterward). Your long working hours made him feel unloved. So maybe he can help a bit more in housework/taking care of the baby so that you will have more time (and energy) to spend with him. In short: he must show by his behavior that he changed and that he does everything he can to reduce the likeliness that this will happen again. Then and only then you might be ready to forgive. Please do not forgive too quickly: it is not good for you and it is not good for him, especially if he is weak. Again: do not even approach the OW to get her view on the affair. Do not involve her in your efforts to rebuild your marriage. You can have a look at the clues he left around to evaluate how true his claims about the affair are. He must also work hard to show that he understands what honesty means (not just telling the truth- but telling all the truth.) So yes you will have to work hard both of you - but he has to start the hard work to prove his willingness to change. I believe with hard work forgiveness will come. Forgiveness means a personal growth: it humbles us and widens our heart to feel compassion for others. It is a big gain. I do not know whether the marriage will be better - but you will surely be better when you reach the stage where you can genuinely forgive. (Remark: you might want to move forward when you reach this stage and it is OK.) Good Luck

MaMaof04 · 18/02/2015 18:19

Redskittle! My husband had an affair which resulted in a child. I can feel your pain. The circumstances of my H's affair might somehow 'explain' (we were far away for long stretches of time along some 2-3 years, for job reasons) and reduce the strength of the pain, but the results are quite tragic. Anyway I am telling in few words my story just to let you know that I can deeply feel your pain. My H hid the child for too long (he stopped the affair a long time ago), but he never stopped being present in her life (he is responsible); and just six months ago he told me about the affair and the child. Like you I decided to try to make my marriage recover. We are together- married but no sex. I hope one day my marriage will fully recover. Now can I forgive? I hope I will be able to. There are too many memories and 4 kids to fight for. (And he still loves me). However I do not want to sell myself cheap. He has to work hard and change the thinking/attitude/behavior that made him succumb to the charm of the OW first. And yes the OW's might actively seduce married men- especially the ones that love their wife and family (I know the OW- she tried hard to get him for close to a year). So yes it might be the case that your 'good' friend did the first steps. Your H might have however signaled her at some point one way or the other that he is vulnerable and somehow 'available' - despite his love for his wife. I would not go to the OW to discuss the affair. I would discuss it with him- I would discuss his behavior; the little things that ignited the affair /let the affair happen . He might be weak. He admitted to it. The question is: what kind of weakness? Is he the 'Mr Nice' who wants to please other people and who is psychologically weak. If yes then it might be that he needs to set boundaries (physical and psychological boundaries). He might need to be strengthened (tell him like we tell our daughters: even if you started kissing someone you can stop it at any time- even if you started fondling a lady you still can stop it- no it will not offend her- it will just save her from an affair with a married man and make you a decent person.) He must also start taking anti-depressant. Yes based on what I read (I read a lot) depression might trigger an affair ('forbidden' sex shot up the dopamine- the dopamine drop down shortly afterward). Your long working hours made him feel unloved. So maybe he can help a bit more in housework/taking care of the baby so that you will have more time (and energy) to spend with him. In short: he must show by his behavior that he changed and that he does everything he can to reduce the likeliness that this will happen again. Then and only then you might be ready to forgive. Please do not forgive too quickly: it is not good for you and it is not good for him, especially if he is weak. Again: do not even approach the OW to get her view on the affair. Do not involve her in your efforts to rebuild your marriage. You can have a look at the clues he left around to evaluate how true his claims about the affair are. He must also work hard to show that he understands what honesty means (not just telling the truth- but telling all the truth.) So yes you will have to work hard both of you - but he has to start the hard work to prove his willingness to change. I believe with hard work forgiveness will come. Forgiveness means a personal growth: it humbles us and widens our heart to feel compassion for others. It is a big gain. I do not know whether the marriage will be better - but you will surely be better when you reach the stage where you can genuinely forgive. (Remark: you might want to move forward when you reach this stage and it is OK.) Good Luck

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