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What on Earth happened here?!

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Fernando2826 · 22/01/2015 20:41

First off, sorry for the length of this post but I feel it's important to explain everything underlying what I experienced. Essentially, I am utterly heartbroken - devastated by a relatively recent breakup and my first love. If you could, I would hugely appreciate you guys having a look at the story and letting me know what you think? Thanks all :)

My now ex-girlfriend, 20, and I, 24, had been seeing each other for 6 months. Things became very deep during this time, particularly in the last few months. We went on an amazing holiday, lived together for a few weeks and spent almost every night together.

We regularly told one another "I love you", she would refer to me as her “soulmate", tell me that she wanted to spend her life with me, wishfully discussed our future children and said, in all seriousness, that she would want to move to Australia with me after university. She even stated that she would be uncertain about an abortion, given that it would be my child. All of this was confirmed by a friend to whom she had said similiar things.

Now, I was already concerned about her suitability for a long-term relationship, given that she cheated on her ex-bf due to separation and didn't feel any guilt for it (although perhaps given her ex leaving for a 3 month holiday justifies it in some way). She also told a friend that despite her adoring me, she always self-sabotages and feared she might cheat for no reason at a festival. In addition to this, I was concerned by her love of male attention, even whilst in my company (perhaps attributable to insecurity over her weight – related to an eating disorder - and looks) She adored sex and admiration.

After 6 months together, we both departed for university, telling one another that we wanted things to work (again confirmed by a third party). She had, however, repeatedly said that she had never intended to go to uni with a bf, but couldn't deal with us breaking up, and was terrified of messing things up.

During our time apart, she spoke of her excitement over seeing me in the coming weeks and I received several very loving drunken phone calls saying that she needed me to be there to reassure her, that she missed me and loved me a great deal. But by around 3 weeks she had almost stopped making any effort to contact me.

I visited her days later, only for her to ignore me the entire time, to show no enthusiasm for my presence (almost annoyance), to text her new friends (and a guy, mentioned below) and to say that she didn't have the emotional or time capacity to make a relationship work alongside her demanding course (fair enough). She was, however, dispassionate this entire time.

After some probing, she admitted that she had been invited back to another guy's house and slept in his bed the night before, cuddling all night, but swore to me that nothing more intimate had happened and I think I believe her (given my understanding of her tone of voice etc). She was, however, flirtatiously texting this guy in front of me the entire time I was there, even as we ended things, and only showed any measure of interest when he responded.

We discussed how the long-distance scenario wasn't going to work and broke up amidst a great many tears. She also asked me to reassure her that we could reinstate things at a later date and after some settling in time (not unreasonable, although odd given her earlier behaviours). She said that she wished we had met after uni so that we could have a future together.

She seemed to be very loving and affectionate during the right moments i.e. watching a movie/in bed/after sex (particularly during the latter stages) but could also be disinterested and condescending. She could also be quite selfish - "forgetting her wallet", buying expensive items despite owing me money which I was in need of etc. She said that before she met me she found it very difficult to open up to people emotionally, even to her previous bf of 2 years, and had never discussed her previous issues surrounding eating disorders, her parents’ divorce and her issues with self-image.

She frequently said that she wished we had met after university, due to her propensity to engage in "self-sabotaging behaviours" – cheating, promiscuity in younger days, drug taking and clubbing - and was scared of ruining our relationship. She also frequently said that she was afraid that I was going to meet someone at university.

When we ended she was a mess, saying that she wished we had met after university so we could have had a future/still wanted a future etc, so she surely still cared? But at the same time, she said she rarely thought of me or her "old" life whilst at university, so perhaps the whole thing (OTT statements of love, future plans etc.) was just an infatuation that never developed into something deeper? Perhaps this is why she got over it so quickly? (In addition to many new distractions and this new guy).

We have spoken a few times in the months since during which she told me that she missed me and was hurt i had removed her from FB and asked for some time in non-contact (so that I could heal). I wish every day for a reconciliation (not sure if wise) but know that this is unlikely given her out of sight-out of mind stance. I also worry that removing her from FB, starting to see someone else (which she was upset about) and asking for some time apart has ruined any chance of a future (or perhaps that her guilt will prevent this)? I wonder how she looks back on the relationship. Finally I worry that, despite her saying that I had made her deliriously happy, she will be happier with this new guy, who I believe she is now seeing.

Thanks so much for reading this, any opinns or musings would be great :)

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GoatsDoRoam · 22/01/2015 20:54

What happened here?

A 6-month relationship ended. One which was fuelled by a lot of angst and drama and selfish behaviour. You are well rid.

Perhaps you will find things to read that will echo your current feelings and help you heal on the Baggage Reclaim website.

Coyoacan · 22/01/2015 21:46

I'm sorry, Fernando, but you can tell when someone loves you by the way they treat you, words are cheap.

Your ex- sounds very self-absorbed and extremely complicated. When she should have at least been your hostess, she treated you like shit.

VanitasVanitatum · 22/01/2015 21:53

Is this why you wanted comparisons of two pictures earlier, you and the new guy?

TheJiminyConjecture · 22/01/2015 21:58

Is this why you wanted comparisons of two pictures earlier, you and the new guy?

This ^

It sounds like you're well rid tbh. It hurts now but one day you'll look back at this and see it as a lucky escape. Cliché but true.

CrazyOldBagLady · 22/01/2015 22:02

Sounds like she wants to have her cake and eat it. I am sure she enjoyed being in a close, loving relationship with you, but you said it herself, she never wanted to go to uni with a boyfriend. She is 20 and wants to enjoy herself. She obviously would like it if you would wait around indefinitely in case she ever decides she wants you back.

I feel sorry for you, it sounds like the relationship was more serious and long term in your eyes, but deep down she wasn't certain.

SexOrTaxRelief · 22/01/2015 22:08

Sounds exactly the same as what I went through. Six months together, worked together, a long blissful Summer, engaged even, planned our lives even, thought we would always be together. Then she went to University, and about three weeks later I knew it was over, I remember walking slowly to the campus because I could feel it in the air. Her interests were with her new life, buddies and all that tight-knit student life. And coincidentally she went to Australia. It was over because we fell in love too quickly, another time another place it may have worked, but we ended up opposite parts of the world, different people, and lots of growing up to do, so change was inevitable. That was a long time ago, and she was beautiful, didn't have any of the issues you have described with your girl. But so what, I have had some fantastic relationships since, and now I am happily married, gorgeous wife, inside and out, I am so lucky. Life moves on, its an experience, and we grow up..... and you don't know what is around the corner. If you want to make it better you can. And we can all fall in love with someone, when what we are really doing is loving the idea of someone. You may see her again, and then you may choose that she is not for you. Life can be that fluid and fickle and full.

Older · 22/01/2015 22:09

Run!

She's done you a favour.

She is a selfish immature woman who will mess you around and keep you as a spare for those moments when she needs propping up emotionally Don't be that doormat

KouignAmann · 22/01/2015 22:14

Sorry for your pain Fernando but she isn't worthy of you. She still has some growing up to do and you sound like a nice straightforward loyal man who deserves to be the centre of someone's world.
Throw yourself into university life, make friends and have fun! Fall for a few girls and enjoy dating when you are ready. The chances of the first serious relationship you have being lifelong are tiny. I have always taken comfort from the saying that everyone comes into your life for a reason, even if it is only for a short time.

For your own sake stay NC and avoid upsetting yourself by hearing news of her. It won't help you move on. She may try to hook you back into her drama but there is nothing in that for you.

I am speaking from experience as both my DDs ended relationships last summer and went through heartbreak but six months later they are happy and busy and life is good for them.

AuntieStella · 22/01/2015 22:16

She's not immature, she's 20 and sounds typical (perhaps inexperienced though).

She's fluffed completely how to speak around a break up, but probably thought she was sparing your feelings by wrapping it up in all sorts of circumlocutions.

Yes, I think it was a break up. No, you can't do anything about it.

Take your time, lick your wounds, and when you're ready move on.

Lweji · 22/01/2015 22:21

Just let her go. You don't need crap people or crap relationships in your life.

which of the other guys were you? I hope the first, because nº2 looked mental

Ouchbloodyouch · 22/01/2015 22:35

If this is your first love then the break up will be hitting you hard. I'm so sorry to trot a cliché but time is a great healer and sadly that is the ONLY thing that will help you heal.
We've all been there and day by day it gets a tiny bit better. Going NC is the right thing to do. If she really wanted to get back with you blocking/deleting on Facebook wouldn't make you 'lose marks'
All this talk of another time after uni etc etc is just platitudes. There is no easy way of breaking up with someone. It definitely seems she is very fond of you (from your post ) but there are too many opportunities for her right now. The good news is that there are for you too. You just don't see it like that yet.
I'll never forget my first love/heartbreak but its such a long time ago. I've had better/worse relationships since and a fair few 'soulmates' Blush you HAVE to trust that you will be fine. Not tomorrow, or next week. But sooner than you think.
Embrace new challenges. Never give up on improving yourself. Its hard to enjoy these goals with a sadness in your heart but do it anyway (I believe in faking it til you make it )
You sound like a very decent lovely man. You will get there. I promise

SelfLoathing · 23/01/2015 00:47

I was already concerned about her suitability for a long-term relationship, given that she cheated on her ex-bf due to separation and didn't feel any guilt for it (although perhaps given her ex leaving for a 3 month holiday justifies it in some way). She also told a friend that despite her adoring me, she always self-sabotages and feared she might cheat for no reason at a festival. In addition to this, I was concerned by her love of male attention, even whilst in my company (perhaps attributable to insecurity over her weight – related to an eating disorder - and looks) She adored sex and admiration.

Sounds like a person with narcissistic personality disorder to me.

usual clue is "soulmate/marryme/Ilove" pronouncements FAR too early. If it looks too good and sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

FoxgloveFairy · 23/01/2015 01:37

Can only add Fernando to what has been said here already. That ending of first love really hurts. I was 18, now 50, and I can still remember the pain! God yes. The pain, though, any love died one hell of a long time ago. Obviously though, time passes and it is a great healer. A cliche, true, but in my experience, things become a cliche because they are largely true. I am now married to a wonderful, wonderful an for over 20 years, in a deeply happy and committed way. This girl does not love you Fernando. I think, in fact, that now she is simply enjoying you hoping she loves you. You sound like an intelligent, kind guy with a lot of love to offer. Don't waste it on her anymore. All the best, Foxglove.

ToastedOrFresh · 23/01/2015 01:59

She wants to have her cake and eat it. Sorry, bad analogy what with her weight problems.

She got to university and wanted the life that's available there. She wanted to present herself as single so as not to miss out on any other romantic opportunities. Sorry if that is hurtful for you.

Also, what you had was intense. With the 'freedom' of university life perhaps she wanted to have fun.

She's agreed to come to Australia with you after university years are finished. Maybe she's either panicked because she's going to have to make good on that or there's other things that you discussed and she's feeling that she ought to follow through with.

It's basically to much to young. You might end up being grateful you did no lasting damage made no lasting impact on each other.

Relationships can sometimes go to the wall when one partners goes to university and the other doesn't. It usually doesn't last much past the first Christmas.

SmillasSenseOfSnow · 23/01/2015 02:50

I suspect most relationships at that age are 'an infatuation that never develop[s] into something deeper'.

gatewalker · 23/01/2015 12:23

OP - It can be a bloody awful thing to hear when so many voices tell you that what you went through wasn't the kind of deep and abiding love that you can experience through relationshop, but it's true.

What you went through was 'falling in love' - that beautiful, but often short-lived, phase where you're not really seeing the other person, but aspects of yourself lived out through them. Then reality creeps in, and the other person with all of their humanness and capacity to wound (themselves and others), is revealed for who they were all along. Some relationships move through this and strengthen because of it - but that's because both people change, as does the relationship. Illusion shatters, and a deeper sense of something emerges from underneath.

Most relationships simply shatter along with the illusions. Because that's what they were built on. Compelling illusions, yes; ones that bring up a tremendous force of emotion, yes. But illusions all the same. Until you know yourself and know what it is to love someone interdependently, then that high/crash will keep on happening. You're young; you have time. Enjoy whatever happens, let your heart break, feel the pain and confusion. You don't need all your questions answered.

And I know that's still shite to hear. But its true.

gatewalker · 23/01/2015 12:23

*it's true

arsenaltilidie · 23/01/2015 13:26

When a person tells you who they are, believe them.
You should have known better; she had recently cheated meaning most likely she would have cheated again.
Lessons learned.

Have some fun in life, you are only 24 but you sound a bit 'intense'.

At 24 you should be having fun, concentrating on your career and trying to shag as many women as you can.

TabbyNicki · 23/01/2015 15:54

She told you who she was and what she was about. You chose to believe something else.

On the plus side, you have probably saved yourself years of heartache

Fernando2826 · 23/01/2015 16:54

I appreciate all of the responses here and agree with many of them.

I think what you guys have said about falling in love is true - I think she was enjoying the illusion that we had created, making her seem to herself the person she wanted to be - a reliable, loyal individual in a loving and stable relationship with a future with someone who made her feel good. I meanwhile was choosing to ignore what my gut told me about her because I am codependent, low self-esteem and she made me feel loved and worthwile.

What she said in the moment - "soulmate", "I wish we had met 3 years from now", "I want to spend my life with you" - was wishful thinking on her part and not congruous with our current situations in life. I think she truly believed what she was saying in the moment - confirmed by the fact that she didn't just say it to my face, but to others whom I did not know (so not just for my benefit).

In terms of being intense, I was always very laid-back and did not motivate her saying of these kinds of things. She was always the one to make intense statements which I might then respond to, or might not.

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BuzzardBird · 23/01/2015 17:00

Beware of firework relationships. They shine brightly, are awesome but are always over too quickly.

GallicIsCharlie · 23/01/2015 18:27

I was about to post along the same lines as Buzzard - when you find yourself thinking "intense, whirlwind, force of nature" type thoughts about a relationship, you need to watch your step. I'd say your ex goes beyond the usual limits of an experimental fling, into the realms of pathologically disordered. Some people's emotions never mature beyond the toddler stage: throw sex into that mix and you're looking at something fascinating but extremely weird.

Involvement with emotionally-arrested people causes immense pain. You dodged a bullet. I am quite sure you feel as if the rug's been pulled from under you. I sympathise. Soon, I hope, you'll be able to appreciate the colourful memories this episode has given you - while also being very relieved that you're now free to form the kind of relationships you deserve.

springydaffs · 23/01/2015 20:54

She sounds like a total nightmare!

Stay with her and you'd get dragged all over the shop, constantly; flitting from one mood to the next, full-on.

Exhausting just thinking about it let alone living it. Cut her off and get on with having a great time at uni. See who you like, it's none of her darn business (cheeky cow, finishing with you then getting 'hurt' you were getting on with your life). Don't let her pick you up and drop you over and over again.

Fernando2826 · 24/01/2015 00:56

I suppose what really compounded all of this for me was what she said when I told her that I wanted to go non-contact. She said "I'm not sure what it is I've done to offend you, I thought we broke up amicably, but clearly you don't want anything to do with me" - such utter change from who I knew.

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scarletforya · 24/01/2015 01:08

After some probing, she admitted that she had been invited back to another guy's house and slept in his bed the night before, cuddling all night, but swore to me that nothing more intimate had happened and I think I believe her

Sorry Op, I had to stop reading there.....been that girl (many years ago) she shagged him. There's no cuddling all night when she loves sex and adoration.

You're way over analysing the whole thing. You talk about her current behavior being such an utter change, but you only know her six months. That's nothing. It might feel a long time at your age though, but it's not. She probably was into you but she's moved on.