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The Brave Babes Battle Bus - Starting the New Year in Fine Style

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venusandmars · 13/01/2015 12:36

Hello, I'm Venus, and standing in for Mouse (who usually starts all our threads)

This is a safe and welcoming place for anyone who is facing up to a problem with alcohol. It may be something you’ve known for years, or it may be that struggling with dry January has made you re-think your relationship with drink.
Anyway, welcome old and new, lurkers and posters. It can be a weird thread at times – travelling on a bus called Gerald.... he takes us up and down and this wondrous land, searching high and low for Babes in need of some support, a warm place to sit and chat, and to have someone to listen to them.

So, grab a seat as we swing by your way. There's lots of hot drinks, food and fleeces, places to just be and places to sit around and chat if that's what you want.

We don't judge, because we've all been in your shoes, be they stilettos, wellies or crocs!...

We're just us, we're just honest and we just do what we can to help, if we can, when we can. If you find all the banter off-putting just jump in with a cry for help.

And HAPPY NEW YEAR xxx

Here is the very first, emotional thread if you would like to see where this all started

Our most recent thread, if you want to catch up

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aliasjoey · 26/01/2015 12:31

Must not cry

aliasjoey · 26/01/2015 12:33

god this is embarrassing!

had a row with colleague, now blubbing (unfortunately work in an open area so everyone can see...)

deep breaths
deep breaths

no wine
no wine

beachestoexplore · 26/01/2015 12:45

((((Hugs)))) joey. Tell yourself you MUST cry for an acting part, on demand, that should dry those tears up Smile. Conflict is upsetting babe, and breathing is good. She is a sour faced old trout anyway I bet!! Xxx

aliasjoey · 26/01/2015 12:49

thanks beaches

a terribly young student just came and asked me if I was okay... No! don't ask, just ignore me, pretend you don't see me.... oh god, too late... Blush

I seem to do this too often....

Conflict is upsetting but I scare myself with the sudden SNAP of anger (and the tears afterwards)

Isindethickofit · 26/01/2015 12:57

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beachestoexplore · 26/01/2015 13:00

Grin oh yes! The 'don't be nice to me or the floodgates will open' feeling.

I do feel for you babe, I often cry when I am really cross. Perhaps the rush of adrenaline is part of it. How are you feeling now? Has helpful student moved along?

beachestoexplore · 26/01/2015 13:08

Hi isinde Smile, yes, a change of scene and re-frame is good advice. It often takes me a while to decompress after a row, the heart pumps for ages after. How are things with you? Are you getting any downtime?

dementedma · 26/01/2015 13:13

joey are you ok
did you get out for a walk?

aliasjoey · 26/01/2015 13:54

yeah I got some lunch. I made an apology to colleague (still angry but my reaction was OTT and out of order; I accept that. Hope to god she doesn't Take It Further)

Really I've been an idiot, because I had the upper-hand, but I blew it when I lost my temper and made some rather stupid accusations.

and yeah, the adrenaline! This happens to me frequently - DH is the opposite to me, he does slow simmer (he's low-level angry all the time) whereas I do, sudden fast boil and then collapse. I wish I could stop that.

aww thanks you guys!

beachestoexplore · 26/01/2015 14:45

Am really impressed by the way you handled it after Joey. Cake

Sweet nice winging babe!!

Obrigada well done on an af weekend! The cleaning is a treat that can wait until another day Wink

Saturn you are doing great!Smile

Well I need to find some motivation and get moving. It may be -9 but the sun is shinning so I am taking the dog and me out for a walk. Laters babes x

aliasjoey · 26/01/2015 16:06

Home now with tea and shortbread (no wine Smile )

What a right balls-up that was. Even though she made me angry, I shouldn't have talked to her like that. I'm really mortified at myself. And worried that colleague might put in an official complaint. I can only hope that because there was actually some truth in my accusation, she may not want to take it further.

Wtf is wrong with me? I just suddenly snapped! I think this is usually where wine comes in, if I do something very stupid I want to get drunk and block it out afterwards.

Oh God, if it goes to HR I will just DIE

SmallFox · 26/01/2015 16:56

Wow - what a lot happens on the bus over a weekend! Was away for the weekend, dodging triggers and pretty pleased with how it went, though there were moments I would have done some very unprepossessing things for a large glass of cold white wine. Whilst I am pleased I didn't (for any number of reasons!) I am a bit dispirited that the feeling is still so strong, and I know full well I have no off switch if I do drink. And I am coming to the conclusion that will always be the case. Which is fine, so long as I know what to do. Which is so simple and so hard - not drink!

Anyway, much more to the point, how are all the babes? Ma, Joey sounds like its been tough - I really hope you are ok. It is hard, isn't it - every one of you babes on the bus is SOOOOOO good at giving support, gentle advice, insight and reflection, but it is so hard when it is you who has to give that same advice and insight to yourself (or oneself, if we're being posh about it). Get - you are sounding so amazingly clear headed about what you know you have to do - I wish you all the strength in the world on that journey. Your DH sounds so supportive.

The love on this bus is powerful right now!

Sorry not to NC all - kids due home in a minute and I am way behind with tea (too much frolicking on MN)

Later, all.

GetSober · 26/01/2015 17:43

Thankyou everyone, still reading here and feeling the love. Had an exhausting counselling session today where I made some good progress, but left with a headache that wouldn't shift for the rest of the day. Have now finally found some paracetamol so just need to get the DC to bed, then I get to go out to the gym by myself for a lovely run, yay. Happy thoughts to everyone, especially those who've had hard days today.

dementedma · 26/01/2015 18:13

Checking in. Tough day. Going round in circles and struggling.
Trying very hard to be AF tonight at least

BloodyUserName · 26/01/2015 19:21

Hi all, I came here once, I let Christmas get in the way etc etc. So please forgive my self indulgent post but I did something bad - I was going to cut out the booze today, hubby was supportive (worried about health etc), but I've poured a full bottle of white (1/3rd left, big glasses). Half filling the empty bottle with lime cordial mixed with water is my step too far. Looked at AA, but can't answer enough questions yes to force me to go. Never miss work -don't shake or wake up craving it, sensible, high functioning but need my bottle of wine a night (it either picks me up when I'm low or keeps me level if I'm too nervous/excited) - I feel like an alcoholic but I don't seem to fit the definition. Is there help for someone like me?

aliasjoey · 26/01/2015 20:07

bloody there's help for everyone... Smile sorry am not much good for that right now though

I was feeling so nauseous with anxiety, I couldn't bear worrying about tomorrow any longer. So I've been and got some wine. BUT I also bought some Stugeron which is supposed to help nausea, and if that works I will save the wine for another day.

I just want something to knock me out and stop the anxiety. Drugs, alcohol, whatever it takes. Am away now to do some CBT.

dementedma · 26/01/2015 20:20

Welcome bloody
A few babes struggling today but you have made a positive step. I was/am a bottle of wine a night drinker too so sympathise.
Can you manage to stop for tonight?

marfisa · 26/01/2015 23:34

Hi babes, nothing very exciting to report here but I just wanted to wave hello. Still AF and feeling massively better physically and mentally for it. I went for a run today (hadn't run for a week at least) and it was one of those magical runs where I just felt so fit and well. Hurrah! I am determined to attribute the gloriousness of the run to not drinking (even though some of the runs I have attempted since not drinking have been absolutely shite. I'm going to ignore that fact, la la la la la). Hope your run was good, Get!

I love the way the bus keeps going and going and everyone is so encouraging and lovely. What an amazing phenomenon of a bus it is. A big welcome to all the newcomers on board. Bloody, questions or no questions, chances are that if you feel like an alcoholic/problem drinker, you probably are. You could try an AA meeting to see what it's like if you're interested. It's not for everyone (and meetings seem to differ hugely from place to place) but it has helped me loads.

Big hugs to you, joey. It sounds like you've had the day from hell, but it will be all right. Really! Please don't be so insanely hard on yourself. You're only human - everyone loses it sometimes and lashes out in anger and/or bursts into tears. You've already apologised to your colleague, and I'm sure you wouldn't have got so upset without cause anyway. More hugs.

Hugs to you too, ma. Reading about you and your DH makes me so sad. You deserve so much more. Staying with someone because you think they might have a breakdown if you leave is NOT a reason to stay, if you'll forgive my saying so. Anyway.

SmallFox, the longer you go without drinking, the more the desire to drink starts to leave you. At least that's what I'm discovering!

Baby, so sorry you're in pain again. Sad Your posts are wonderful though. You sound great. Bravo to you.

Sweet, well done on winging that class! I identify with your posts so much because we're in the same profession and because I also suffer from bad work-related anxiety. That boss of yours sounds like an utter prick by the way. Just ghastly. For what it's worth AA has done more to alleviate my anxiety than anything else has done for ages (hope I'm not sounding like too much of a mad enthusiast mentioning AA twice in one post). I just find the meetings very soothing. And all the cheesy slogans that put some people off Easy Does It, One Day at a Time, First Things First I liked them from the get go. I used to wake up with the most awful stomach-twisting anxiety every single morning. It hasn't completely gone, but now there are lots of mornings when it isn't there at all.

What I'm trying to do now are the same things I've been trying to do for the past 3 months since gettting sober:

  • stop binge eating every night. I just consumed half a packet of M&S chocolate eclairs while I was sitting here. They were delicious yum!
  • work on my actual research (i.e. my only hope of remaining gainfully employed) instead of letting the teaching and all my other obligations crowd that out
  • improve my marriage to the point where there is, gasp, some kind of physical intimacy involved. DH is not a WB but I feel so lonely sometimes

There is lots more including finances but I have already worn myself out with the exertion of typing!

The thing is, I worried about all these things when I was first trying to get sober, and my sponsor kept saying, "Don't worry about anything else. Just don't pick up the first drink." I DID pick up, and pick up again, but slowly, the intervals between picking up drinks became longer. And I felt more and more empowered.

So I still feel angsty about all the different compulsive behaviours and other things in my life that are making me unhappy, but now that I have a clear head, I think I do have a hope in hell of changing one or more of them. Maybe. Just maybe. Which is pretty amazing coming from a woman who used to drink all day every day. Grin

Hang on in there, babes, we can do it! xx

marfisa · 26/01/2015 23:41

Also, I saw this image the other day and I was so amazed to see the word bosie! I honestly thought Wry had made it up. Blush And while I knew that Scottish dialect was a Thing, I didn't know it had a proper linguistic name, namely Doric. Live and learn.

Sorry the left-hand column is in French - English would be better. And to make matters worse it's not even good French; I can see at least three mistakes. Still it seemed worth posting for the sake of the bosie! (Which translates into French as 'le calin', cuddle - the very first word I learned in France when I was an au pair there eons ago.)

The Brave Babes Battle Bus - Starting the New Year in Fine Style
SweetLathyrus · 27/01/2015 08:17

Morning All.

Joey, I really feel for you - I'm a fast boiler too, and that loss of control is terrifying - I hope you managed to sleep ok. I think you need to look at what you have written, and clearly separate two separate elements here - apologise for the way it came out, but not for what you said - if it comes to HR, make sure that you make that distinction very clear to them. Deep breaths and Brew.

Hello and well done, Obrigada, Small, Saturn, Beaches, Sober, Ma how did last night go? - no short answers, I know.

Isinde are you looking after yourself? (Or, long shot here, being looked after?).

Bloody welcome to the bus, no judgement here, just support. And definitions only go so far, some of us accept the term alcoholic, some don't, it's just semantics, if you feel it's a problem, it's a problem, doesn't matter what you call it.

Marfisa, the worst thing about my prick of a boss is his pretend managerialism, and that he is by no means the worst academic masquerading as a manager I have encountered, but he is the most oblivious. You are doing amazingly well, not just one day at a time, but one problem at a time eh?

I was SO tired last night, bit of an emotionally draining day. The friend /mentor I had lunch with - a hugely clever, successful, politically astute, no-nonsense type, listened to the situation I find myself in in my department and said, "I have no clue how you resolve this without taking time away". I have to admit to being a bit taken aback. This is not someone I would expect to suggest I go sick mid-semester, but I think she identified that my situation is actually much more serious (for various arcane and complicated academic reasons) than I could even admit to myself. I'm still struggling to process our discussion, and haven't made any decisions or discussed it with DH yet.

Today is a day for working from home - I have Lots to catch up on, and that I need to finish before I can even contemplate my next step. So, on with day 27 Shock, without those sober days I would just be digging myself deeper, at least I have stopped digging.

aliasjoey · 27/01/2015 08:26

marfisa sounds like you're doing some great work yourself except the chocolate eclairs well done!

Doric is Northeast scottish - Aberdeen and the Mearns. It's certainly very expressive!

Thanks for the support, yes you're right I was pushed - still doesn't excuse me losing my temper - the Stugeron helped knock me out a bit last night; and we started watching series 3 of Game of Thrones which took my mind off it. I managed not to drink which is a bonus.

Rubyredlips · 27/01/2015 08:30

Morning all. Have a good day

aliasjoey · 27/01/2015 08:33

Cross-posted sweets thanks for the advice, you're spot on.

Your situation sounds rather complicated if even your wise friend can't see a way through... Sometimes there is no good solution is there.

SweetLathyrus · 27/01/2015 08:57

Morning Ruby

Joey, and don't forget the 'Papal' apology if it becomes necessary "I'm sorry that you feel hurt by what I said". (subtext, But I don't apologise for having said it).

What I need, really, is to toughen up - as Marfisa said, not letting other obligations crowd out the research. I also need to reformulate what research I want to do, I think I may just have saved myself from committing to other peoples' priorities out of desperation for a way forward. - I have a weird job.

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