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Should I let go of everything? - couple with baby - advice needed please

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lillybee1 · 07/01/2015 11:16

Please bare with me. This might take a while to explain. My husband and I have a 18 month old little girl. Things haven't been going well for a long time. We've moved town, moved house three times, I left my job and we moved for DH's job. I've been a SAHM and have found the last few months quite stressful, everything has been getting to me. DH hasn't been very supportive and we were arguing a lot where admittedly I'd end up shouting at him. There was no affection between us, living like flat mates and after one argument DH moved out saying he couldn't be in this relationship anymore. I thought it would be for a few days but it turned into a few months.He came home to see DD regularly but we got in each others way a lot and ended up arguing a lot. We argue over little things but we ALWAYS end up having a huge row. We've had couples counselling which hasn't really done anything - the situation has just got worse. He says we need to talk more - he seems to want me to make a promise that I won't shout at him anymore. When something is upsetting me I need to vent (not only about him but whatever is upsetting me). I need to talk about the problem, resolve it then move on. But we seem to come from completely different view points. So if I say I'm not happy with something (even if it's not related to him) he acts like it's a personal attack on him and usually ends up siding with the other thing/person. It's fair to say there is not emotional support from him. And sometimes he seems to want to control my behaviour, almost bully me into things and doesn't like or accept what I say or feel. When you are feeling so down to begin with you really need support from a partner not someone that disagrees the whole time.

It hasn't always been like this but having a baby has put big strain on our relationship. I am so confused and feel very guilty about DD growing up with divorced parents. DH said he was looking for a flat of his own before xmas. Since then in arguments I've said he should move out only to panic and change my mind a few hours later and try to hug him/show love in affectionate way as I don't know what else to do but he's completely shut down - has admitted he can't be affectionate anymore unless we have a serious discussions on where our relationship is going?? But when we talk about that he just says 'he can't stay in this current situation' and offers nothing else. I've said let's work on things, let's start acting like a couple again etc but he can't do it because his lack of affection. So we are going round in circle after circle. I feel like we are both living in limbo, and trapped in this crappy situation. I admit a few months ago I was shouting in front of DD and decided I never want to do that again. But now DH is doing it, slamming doors, shouting when he is holding her, not holding back at all. I've asked him not to do it and he just replies with 'you're a fine one to talk' etc This relationship is so dysfunctional and in so many ways I hate what he is doing right now. At the same time I want to try my best to make things work because it wasn't always like this. I believe you have to work to make a relationship work. I'm scared of giving up as I think we'll both regret it in the future. But then he's putting so much emphasise on me and not really giving anything back. I am exhausted, so confused, angry and heartbroken at the same time. Can anymore relate or suggest anything. I'm feeling so lost right now. Thank you.

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lillybee1 · 29/01/2015 12:43

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UrchinMadeOfAcne · 29/01/2015 12:50

Lilly - why don't you try counselling for yourself. If after counselling, you still feel the same, then you can end things, and know in yourself that you have tried everything in your power to make things work.

If, like me, things start to improve - then wahey!

lillybee1 · 29/01/2015 12:59

UrchinMadeOfAcne

Thanks so much for your reply. It is so helpful to read things like this (unlike one of the previous comments!). I'm glad your counselling is really beneficial. It sounds like it wasn't a nice environment whenever your dad was around. It's so sweet that you call her your hero. She sounds like a wonderful woman.

It's so difficult to relate because my DP is not violent and it wasn't always like this - it's difficult to know if the relationship has naturally ended or if we are going through a bad phase because of our situation. And when I read other stories on here like cheating and lying for years etc - that doesn't relate to us. He still sees DD regularly and just a couple of weeks ago we were having a nice day out, holding hands and kissing! Nothing is black and white and so many of the comments here seem to say walk away or it's finished but I don't think it necessary has. But we have been arguing a hell of a lot and I agree we are calmer when separated and maybe will be happier in the future too or maybe not. I guess time will tell.

I know it's common to bring baby up without parents that are together these days. It's just my expectations I suppose. I grew up with two loving parents and never ever thought I'd be in this situation so those dreams have been shattered which is so sad and disappointing for me and for DD. No, I don't want to bring DD up around arguments either. It's just difficult adjusting to this change but will just have to take each day as it comes. Thanks again.

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UrchinMadeOfAcne · 29/01/2015 13:54

There is a thread in chat (I think) at the moment. Its a support thread for those who are trying to save their relationships, I will try and find it for you.

It does sound like you are going through a really rough patch. Fair play to you for wanting to work through it instead of just LTB!! Obviously I don't know if its beyond saving. But I would really urge you to get counselling for yourself, and this may help to sort your thoughts out in your head.

UrchinMadeOfAcne · 29/01/2015 14:09

here it is

You may find it useful xx

lillybee1 · 29/01/2015 16:35

UrchinMadeOfAcne - thanks so much! That thread is great and exactly what I need to read right now. I've realised though that being separated for a bit will be a positive thing. Regarding counselling I still do think it will be beneficial. I'm trying to decide which one will be best - couples counselling since we will always have communication problems and we need to work on that as parents or individual counselling for just me.

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UrchinMadeOfAcne · 29/01/2015 16:40

Glad it is helpful for you.

I would really urge you to go to individual counselling as a first step. Work on yourself and any issues / hang ups you might have. You should see things clearer after a few sessions, and have a better idea of where things are going wrong.

Once you have worked on yourself, and if you still want to carry on in the relationship - try couples counselling.

Blue73 · 29/01/2015 16:53

Clearly there's a lot of anger there. Having a child is just stressful, no one tells you this because in the media it's all baking cakes and picnics! Nothing about the day to day grind of feeding, changing ect! Have you spoken to your GP? You could have post-natal depression, but even if not, you could do with some support. Therapy takes time, five sessions is nothing - I've had 20 years of it and I still find myself having to really pull it together! The reason I'm looking through the messages is I posted one myself the other day! If your therapist is not working for you, find another, one who deals with anger management issues, and offers practical support in that area. When you're down it's hard to regulate your behaviour or actions - so you both need help with that. Don't give up - having a baby is life changing and some people adjust better than others. I had the most brilliant advice from a friend, sometimes within marriage there will be long periods of boredom, and stress - the trick is not to let those times cloud the rest of your relationship!

UrchinMadeOfAcne · 29/01/2015 16:57

just realised, I am posting using my name change, DUH.

I am ARGHtoAHHH xxx

lillybee1 · 31/01/2015 12:26

UrchinMadeOfAcne Oh I wondered what happened to ARGHtoAHHH! Was going to message her/you! Happy/funny to see you are the same person Smile

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lillybee1 · 31/01/2015 12:44

Thanks so much Blue73 That is so true, it is portrayed like this in the media isn't it. I did wonder about PND a lot but everything got worse in last few months (baby is toddler now) and I think really it was the stress of living with DH. Whenever he went away on work trip and I was alone with DD I actually felt a lot calmer, not more stressed out. I was usually most stressed in presence of DH or when we talked/talk about an important issue. I still believe he is a controlling person and it stresses me out. Yes I agree, 5 sessions is nothing but our therapist really wasn't good. I think I will find another therapist on an individual basis instead of couples counselling. (Thanks UrchinMadeOfAcne for suggesting this too.)

That is a great bit of advice from your friend. We have decided to separate for now though, the way it is is not good for anyone. Maybe we'll be able to work it through or maybe not. It's a depressing and sad time but I guess time will tell.

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UrchinMadeOfAcne · 02/02/2015 15:23

How are you doing?

lillybee1 · 03/02/2015 21:35

Feeling down Sad

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UrchinMadeOfAcne · 04/02/2015 06:59

Oh, lilly. Flowers

what's been happening? is he still out of the house? Sorry if you don't want to talk about it I totally understand. X

urchinmadeofacne · 22/04/2015 14:28

Hi Lilly,

Was thinking about you, and wondering how you are xx

lillybee1 · 22/04/2015 22:31

Hi urchinmadeofacne - so lovely of you to ask. I haven't come back to this thread in ages and only today for some reason thought I should - maybe because of your message? Star

Things are utterly miserable here now. Proper separation and I am finding it difficult to cope alone. I'm started some individual counselling next week, hoping that will help.

How is everything with you? xx

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urchinmadeofacne · 23/04/2015 10:52

I am really sorry to hear you are struggling. The individual counselling should hopefully help.

I split up with my partner and am much happier since the split. Although he continues to hound me, and blame everything on MN!

Are you finding things more difficult than when you were together? Are you considering getting back together? Are you arguing more/less?

lillybee1 · 23/04/2015 22:30

urchinmadeofacne - Sorry to hear about your split. That has surprised me because it seemed like things were on the mend. But I'm glad to hear you're much happier Smile

I am finding things more difficult in terms of childcare and I feel I am being harassed by him. But then I don't have the frustrations of living or being with him anymore and that has made things a little calmer. I can see the light, I just don't know how to get there right now. It's so difficult when you have a child together. I will send you a private msg tomorrow.

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trappedandsick · 23/04/2015 22:44

He sounds abusive. You may be reacting to the abuse, but that doesn't mean you are also abusive. I really recommend the book "Should I Stay or Should I Go," which might help you identify his behaviours better.

HotSweetTea · 24/04/2015 09:39

Hello Lilly,

Yes, he sounds abusive to me too.

I would recommend Lundy Bancroft as well. His book Why Does He Do That? helped me to leave my abusive ex. It helped me to compartmentalise what he was doing to me. I had a classic Water Torturer.

Lundy also has a blog, which is very useful for those moments when I am having doubts. I dip in and out of it to remind myself what is happening, what has happened, why I left etc etc. Get it bookmarked on your phone, if you can. Its a great tool.

HotSweetTea · 24/04/2015 09:41

Oh and you should never have joint counselling with an abusive person - they will use it as a stick to beat you with. Please don't ever consider doing this.

Get counselling for yourself, preferably someone with experience of abusive behaviors in partnerships.

Good luck xx

lillybee1 · 02/05/2015 14:47

I've started the counselling but still feeling very down and so lonely. For a bit I was starting to feel better but now have just sunk into this deep depression. The phone hasn't rung in weeks, so many people haven't even bothered to get in touch and I can't be bothered to chase people for meeting up when it's clear they are not interested. I'm still a SAHM and feel like I desperately need a break.

I feel left behind and can't help crying all the time now. I don't know if this is a bad or good thing, just letting everything come out? But i've been unhappy for such a long time now, I've fed up of this. I'm fed up of being unhappy but if I think about my current situation it just depresses me so much. I'm in a place I don't want to be in, with no support, no family & very few friends. How does anyone get through this?

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HotSweetTea · 05/05/2015 12:05

I have PMed you, Lilly.

My only real advice to you would be to keep posting here. Or perhaps start a new thread.

The emotional support I have received from the women (and men!) of MN has been a life saver for me. Virtual strangers have got me through the worst days of my life. Stellar advice, handholding and general support helped me see things differently

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