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First time poster (male) looking for any advice...!

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RememberTheAlamo · 28/12/2014 04:27

This is my first post here and I'm not sure men even post on Mumsnet, but I figured I need some advice from a female perspective.

My long-term partner suddenly left me about a year ago which was a very upsetting and shocking experience for me. All this happened while I was working abroad on a secondment for work, and when I was later posted back to my home office my best friend at work took me out for leaving drinks with two women who were both moving on (one moving abroad, the other leaving the industry). I had met both women before but didn’t really know either of them. As these things go, we all ended up going home together. I spent the night with one of the ladies, and he with the other.

Here’s where it gets complicated. My friend was a line manager for both of these women (although they were leaving, so I’m not sure how big a deal this is) and is also married (while the woman he slept with has a boyfriend). He has never cheated on his wife before or since. It was a moment of madness for him. I’ve known him for well over a decade and this was wildly out of character. In some respects it was probably a mid-life crisis of some kind. The lady he slept with has also never cheated on her boyfriend before.

Since all this happened he and the woman he slept with have not been in touch. It’s amicable between them, and they’ve both understood it was a big mistake. Similarly, I’m not in touch with the lady I spent the night with. We weren’t romantically compatible, she’s abroad, and has a boyfriend now. Things are completely fine there.

So where’s all the mess? Well, the other woman and I have grown very close since this whole episode.

At first it started out as just a bit of fun, she lived nearby and so we’d sometimes meet for a drink and joke about “that” night. Things were frivolous. Since then we’ve discovered we’re very similar in terms of personality. We’re carbon copies of each other in terms of outlook, life philosophy, ambition, and humour. We’ve spent a lot of time together (including at my house) and text each other constantly, often late into the night.

We make each other laugh, we give each other advice, and we encourage each other. We talk about what’s on our mind and whatever is getting us down. We’ve both had a series of stressful events recently and have chatted to each other about these things. So it’s safe to say we’ve grown close.

Behind it all, if I were to walk into a laboratory and create my ideal woman, she wouldn’t be far off. She has a beautiful mind with a piercing intellect. She’s clever and driven, self-assured and confident, and she can engage me mentally when we’re together. She also knows her own mind and values the same things as me: experiences. I find all this incredibly attractive and wish I’d gotten to know her sooner. In no time at all she has rapidly become very important to me. She’s been away for the holidays, but I’m already looking forward to seeing her when she gets back. She’s told me she’s also excited to see me.

Nothing romantic has happened between us, although I think she knows I’d escalate things if the opportunity presented itself. She's said her relationship with her boyfriend is effectively over and she’s waiting for the right time to end it. That’s a formality and I don’t regard it as a big deal.

I recently asked her to come away with me for a weekend but she says it’s 'weird' because of what happened with my friend at work. Even though they have no ongoing connection and they’ve both moved on from what happened that night, I think my friend would be upset to learn about just how close we’ve become. He’s a very good friend of mine. I’d never sacrifice our friendship and I’ve never hidden anything from him before. While he doesn’t have any real grounds to be upset, I can understand why he might be.

Because of this, none of our friends know we're close, or even that we're friends (because we're worried word would get back). So everything about us is currently hidden and secretive. I know this hurts her.

So what should I do? Pursue this woman and convince her to come away with me for a short break (it needn't be extravagant)? Keep things as they are (which means being hidden but remaining close)? Or break things off with her entirely (which I wouldn't like to do)?

OP posts:
AnyFucker · 28/12/2014 16:59

Yeah, it makes him sound like a sexist div who puts women on a pedestal but would just as quickly discard her if the "perfection" were to slip slightly

HelenaDove · 28/12/2014 17:12

Exactly what i was thinking

springydaffs · 28/12/2014 17:25

Come on guys, not necessarily at all. It's the first flush of love fgs or we would never commit to anyone - science innit.

Of course you're going to be thinking she is perfection on legs, op (especially the legs). That's how it goes. I don't think you're naive, either, just captivated. You've been out of the dating game for a while (I assume) and people just do muck about. It's a bit of a shock. Plus you're relatively fragile because of the breakup which wasn't even a year ago.

Isetan · 28/12/2014 17:33

What you know for sure about this woman is that she is a serial cheat, if this characteristic is part of the make up of your ideal woman then maybe you are well suited.

And yes worrying about the feelings of your cheating mate above that of a man whose girlfriend you're emotionally involved with does say a lot about you.

Be careful what you wish for, what she'll do with you is what she'll do to you

DeePancrisPandevenistaken · 28/12/2014 18:00

Besides, you haven't even got your leg over yet, and you're working through this angst? C'maarn!

AnyFucker · 28/12/2014 18:45

silly, ain't it, Pan ?

DeePancrisPandevenistaken · 28/12/2014 18:49

Worse. It's spoiling my concentration on Out of Africa!

AnyFucker · 28/12/2014 18:50

unforgiveable

Lweji · 28/12/2014 18:55

Wasn't she married in OoA too?

DeePancrisPandevenistaken · 28/12/2014 18:59

Karen Blixen? Yes, but the incidence of Denys Finch-Hatton in her life was massively over-represented in the film. In the book it was about farming, Kikuyu and the authorities. (fails to grasp full link with thread Smile)

AnyFucker · 28/12/2014 18:59

yup

to a bloke that gave her an STD

AnyFucker · 28/12/2014 19:00

syphilis, IIRC (which he died of)

AnyFucker · 28/12/2014 19:01

there is a Big Fat Fucking Warning in there somewhere Smile

HelenaDove · 28/12/2014 19:03
Xmas Smile
DeePancrisPandevenistaken · 28/12/2014 19:05

No, Bror doesn't die, in the film or in the book (RL). I'd read the Judith Thurman biog of her life and his death isn't mentioned...

DeePancrisPandevenistaken · 28/12/2014 19:06

Big Fat Fucking Warning indeed OP. Would be nice to hear from you tho'.

tribpot · 28/12/2014 19:11

He didn't die in the film. Obviously he did die in real life or he would be 128. He didn't die of syphilis, however, but of injuries sustained in a car crash.

However OP and his friends seem as if they would fit right in to the Happy Valley set - where everyone succumbed to one (or more) of altitude, alcohol and adultery.

DeePancrisPandevenistaken · 28/12/2014 19:13

yes I knew the was a thread to the thread. Too overcome right now to work it through.Grin

Lweji · 28/12/2014 19:16

He's planning the mini-break to a safari park.

DeePancrisPandevenistaken · 28/12/2014 19:16
Grin
sandysbrain · 28/12/2014 21:06

The OP is a sad little man. He needs to do some major growing up before he is allowed to have another girlfriend.

First time poster, eh?

TheOfficialPan · 28/12/2014 21:09

He needs to do some major growing up before he is allowed to have another girlfriend. To steal BBT's Penny, this is true. All the women in the world had a meeting.

Ormally · 28/12/2014 21:56

No, come on. Saying he has to grow up is a bit of a low blow - and no sniggers please. He does have to see the situation for what it is though, and it's not one that a lot of people would wander into, but there are a great many people, on and off here, who do want to idealise people they are crazy about and not believe they're capable of hurting them, or that they wouldn't. You grow up rather a lot when you realise they're not like you thought - but if it happens too much you won't even try to trust your own judgment with a potential new relationship or even vaguely pleasant stranger. That isn't really the most desirable aim either.

AnyFucker · 29/12/2014 10:34

I obviously need to watch Out of Africa again. If only to drool over Meryl's wardrobe.

Dowser · 29/12/2014 11:33

I think he's read his answers and ran. In the right direction hopefully.

I just hope we helped.

Let's hope boyfriend sees what a prize he's got and comes along for some straight forward Advice.

Poor fella!