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Finding out about a 12 yr affair

73 replies

nfv68rdt · 23/12/2014 10:07

In March 2014 I received an email from the OW informing me that she had been having an affair for 12 years with my husband whom I had trusted implicitly. He is also not the type of person who I would ever had thought would even have an affair, have it in him. She then sent some quite nasty texts, emails, some I replied to but kept them formal without resorting to replying like with like, i.e, bitchy and spiteful. I was also working away from home at the time and she had looked up my work email. I did come home at the end of the week after phoning my partner at the beginning of the week when I had received the email. He was very embarrassed, contrite and said he always loved us ( we have 2 girls, young adults). He swore then she had never been in the house but about a month later, courtesy of the OW it turned out she had been over once and, as i call it, had a shagathon in the house, from outside, to spare room to our bedroom. ( Incidentally when questioned as to why they had to go upstairs to our room it was because she wanted to see the view and he like a numpty fell for it- that's what a numpty he is). Th girls and I were in Tenerife, he was following on the next day post shagathon but had mentioned to her on the phone/text what he had been doing dropping us at the airport. He had not been able to get cover). He has lied to us for 12 years and as he works late anyway I had never suspected. Sometimes I could smell perfume on him and questioned where the smell was from but never thought anymore of it, I accepted his explanation of his coat being near that of his female work colleagues.
The OW has stalked him over the years before the affair was consummated as it were, sometimes when I was there, or appearing in shops, at his workplace and she targeted people he worked with, befriending them and trying to get them to leave his employment to work where she did when the OW and himself were not communicating etc etc. She had wanted him to leave us and had arranged for him to 'have time away' from us for a weekend, somewhere local, something he had told us about ( not mentioning her !) as he was going 'to sort his head out' as we had been having problems plus work related problems for him. I was ok with that not knowing she had suggested it, arranged the house he stayed in and she went over and helped him to 'think'... he still stayed with us and told her that's what he wanted. She went off in a huff then started contacting him and he responded and this is how things have gone on until Nov 2013 when he tried to finish it only for her to find an excuse to get him to do a small favour for her. She also texted him at Christmas and he responded until he saw her face to face, at her request and kicked her into touch which brings us back to the beginning paragraph of this message.
I am devastated and could list all the adjectives that I am living with now that go with an affair. I still love him but am really struggling. Have I had the misfortune to come across a rather disturbed OW and how now do I carry on. We have tried counselling which helped to a point but for me I feel that 12 years is too much for me to absorb and re establish a relationship with him especially as all the memories I have are now not what I thought. He wants us to try to re build something.
Sorry this is a bit of a long ramble but I am stuck and didn't know where else to go. Mumsnet always sounds very supportive and grounded hence this epistle.

OP posts:
Guiltypleasures001 · 23/12/2014 11:24

Hi op

So sorry for your hurt, but it strikes me that the ow has possibly been led a merry dance and told all sorts. People don't just become unhinged with out a trigger, and the common theme is your husband.

You have no idea what he has been promising her, has she got kids? How old is she, has he been promising to leave you and start a family with her etc. she has gone to some extreme lengths yes, but he has played his part in this. I also wonder if he's been secretly thinking how on earth have I got away with this. Also remember he didn't tell you she did, this would still be going on now secretly.

My guess is he's been promising the world and she's finally snapped and forced his hand, the length of time this has been going on, denotes that he has been living a double life, everything you thought you knew for the last 12 yrs was a lie.

So what are you going to do about the next 12 op?

Thanks
ImperialBlether · 23/12/2014 11:25

I think that what will happen to you soon, OP, is that you will realise that your past isn't your past. What you thought was happening at any one time wasn't happening. You will remember all sorts of things - times he was on the phone and said he was talking to his mum but he went red when he said it, times when he was late and didn't seem hungry - he'd already eaten, times you saw a mark on his body - it was made by her but he convinced you he'd scratched himself. Etc, etc, etc.

You have to end it now otherwise you will go mad. Accept what he's done, accept that nobody should tolerate it and end it.

JaceyBee · 23/12/2014 11:32

Your 'D'H has strung this woman along for 12 fucking years, no doubt telling all kinda of shit about you, your marriage etc, telling her he loves her, she's the one, when the girls are older he'll leave - basically whatever he can think of to keep her around and stop her from moving on.

No wonder she is 'disturbed' ffs! Hmm I know she's not blameless but your H is the manipulator, the one really deserving of your anger and contempt.

pregnantpause · 23/12/2014 11:36

12 yearsSad that's a second wife he's got there . She's had a 12 year relationship with him- I imagine he's met her friends etc. he's been her partner for over a decade, not a turn of the head affair of lust and escape, but a long term relationshipSad

I couldn't forgive. You've all been taken for fools by this man. I'd be questioning whether I knew him at all. He's lied and deceived, happily slept with you and her, raised his family with you while taking her on dates and the like, coming home to you, all with a smile on his face. Angry

Good luck op x

AskMeAnother · 23/12/2014 11:38

My goodness, I read the whole thing. Closely.

12 years isn't a mistress/affair, its a co-wife/marriage. That could work. Except that your co-wife sounds a bit of a nutter.

Your relationship with your husband wasn't exclusive, as you believed, but in all other respects it was as you thought. When he was kind, he was kind, for example - those things are still true even if he had a mistress.

What do you want?

I'd want to kick the bastard into the middle of next week and take all his worldly goods and possessions (don't forget his pension, you'll need it) in divorce settlement (get a really good lawyer).

Sounds like you want to cling to the relationship. That's natural, but not healthy. Cut the emotional ties and move on.

The other woman is a non-issue. Just as she isn't beholden to you, you aren't beholden to her. If she emails etc, just reply "I'm not interested. Don't contact me again." Getting involved with her won't make you feel better and it will just support her view that she's important and having impact. You can deprive her of that satisfaction.

To all the people who think at 12 year affair shows the man is a 'special bastard', sorry, no. It doesn't. The long-termers are usually men who make emotional commitment. I've known people who have had long term relationships additional to their marriages and they were just nice, ordinary, men. My uncle, for example, ran two families for as long as the OP's husband's affair has been going on. Wife 1 (four children with him) divorced him and he moved in with Wife 2 (two children with him).

Norest · 23/12/2014 11:40

I'm sorry but I agree with the other posters. There are some people out there who will aggressively pursue someone who is married, but for it to go on for 12 years it cannot have all come from her being some kind of bunny boiler and poor husband just 'falling for it'.

It must be hugely shocking and I guess seeing it as her being unhinged and having forced / manipulated him in some way might make it feel somewhat more bearable. But really if he is feeding you this shit he is basically still lying and manipulating you. Him, not her.

As for her? 12 years is a long long time to hold out for someone. I can't think of anyone who would do that unless they had been promised a full relationship down the line. (probably as other posters have said once the excuse of your children being too young wouldn't hold any more).

She has flipped out and is behaving appallingly yes, and probably sees herself as a victim and you as some bad guy, because frankly he has probably told her you are awful and he only stayed as it was the right thing to do 'for the kids'. Is she blameless? Hell no, she needs a good dose of karma (though probably wasting 12 YEARS with a fuckwit is karma enough), but your husband is the one who is ten times worse.

He has lied and played with not only you but her as well. Don't buy the 'poor little numpty' routine. Can you not see how manipulative you have to be to string along one woman for 12 years and persuade her never to reveal this stuff, and to fool you and your children as well?

I can't see how you could ever forgive him and learn to trust him again. Especially when he is still manipulating you. Sad

HaloItsMeFell · 23/12/2014 11:43

Wow. You REALLY need to stop focusing in what she has done to your life and your marriage and start focusing on your husband's betrayal of you.

For goodness sake, he is not some naive innocent who was tricked into shagging her, or some tragic soul who has no control over his own actions. you sound almost deluded about the level of blame on his part. He could have stopped at any time, but he didn't. This has been going on for 12 years for crying out loud - where is your anger at him? Confused

this is how things have gone on until Nov 2013 when he tried to finish it only for her to find an excuse to get him to do a small favour for her. She also texted him at Christmas and he responded until he saw her face to face, at her request and kicked her into touch

You are doing it again. That is pathetic, honestly. Stop excusing and infantalising him, you are making it far too easy. He must be thanking his lucky stars at how easy it has been to sit back and play the part of the poor 'numpty' while you heap all the blame onto the bitter and twisted OW. Hmm

Forget about her, and what she may or may not have done in the past, it's completely irrelevant. Your husband has betrayed you and your daughters for TWELVE YEARS. That is your starting point, where do you want to go from here?

Had he definitely broken it off with her when she contacted you? Or was he still seeing her then? That will be important. Whether she told you out of spite because he'd finally made his decision and dumped her to stay with you, or whether she told you out of frustration in the hope that you'd kick him out and he'd run to her.

Obviously you may decide not to forgive either way (which is what the vast majority of people would do after 12 years) but if you do want to try to make things work then it's important to be honest with yourself about what the status of the relationship was in the few months previous to you finding out about it. That will tell you whether he was serious about trying to commit to his marriage, or whether he would still be lying through his back teeth now if she hadn't forced his hand for him.

HaloItsMeFell · 23/12/2014 11:49

And are you sure that they don't have any children together? Completely sure? If your children are young adults now then they would have been children when this started. Unless the OW already had children of her own then I'd be amazed if she patiently waited 12 years for him to leave so she could have her own children with him….Hmm

HaloItsMeFell · 23/12/2014 11:50

unless she's still only about 30 now...

Justwanttomoveon · 23/12/2014 12:00

Wow, 12 years. Even if you decide to stay with him and he finishes things completely with ow I think his deception will slowly eat away at you. I really don't think there is any way back from this. You don't deserve any of this.

Please stop minimising his behaviour and blaming ow for it all. How could you ever even begin to trust him again and without trust how can you have a relationship with him. Please start the new year as you mean to go on, without him.

I'm so sorry you are going through this, my df had a 9 year affair behind my Dms back but my dm kicked him out the day she found out and myself and my sisters have had very little to do with him since (20 years now). He still wants to be with dm but she could never forgive him and I have so much respect for my dm for that.

Justwanttomoveon · 23/12/2014 12:01

Oh and my df had 2 kids with his ow whilst still with my dm.

ocelot7 · 23/12/2014 12:04

isittea the OP says he ended it with the OW in November & she sent the email to OP in March presumably as revenge on him for ending it but also wreaking havoc on OP

CatCushion · 23/12/2014 12:06

He is a bigamist. This is far worse than an affair and there isn't any consideration of forgiveness until everything about this whole sordid fiasco of his life is on the table, with accounts for where the money went and how you all stand. The children need to know too, from him, with you there. (I'd be tempted to have OW as a witness, but I know that flies in the face of wise MN counsel and so probably a very bad idea. )

He's no better than an ally cat following animal urges. I am so sorry that you and your children have been lied to and that you have been cheated on in this dispicable way, OP. It is no reflection on you, or your worth/standing/status etc. Do not let yourself feel that you are any less of a good woman or a valued member of society because of his foul habits.

TooHasty · 23/12/2014 12:13

All marriages have ups and downs and sometimes in a moment of weakness at a bad time one partner gives in to temptation in a moment of weakness.In these cases sometimes the marriage can be saved
But this is not the case here .He has been deceiving you,living a lie for 12 years.How can you possibly EVER trust him again?

The OW has stalked him over the years before the affair was consummate I am sorry but what a crock .How can you fall for that old chestnut!

Fairenuff · 23/12/2014 12:16

He has been lying to both of you.

He has been telling her that he loves her and he has been telling you the same thing.

He has been having a full relationship with both of you for twelve years.

It's over OP. You need to get legal and financial advice asap. There may be a few more nasty surprises yet.

BitOutOfPractice · 23/12/2014 12:16

Christonabike! You think you've seen it all on MN don't you? Then ou read something like tis that just stops you in your tracks. What an utter utter scumbag your husband is

OP I am so so srry you are being put through this hell Thanks

I imagine you will be finding it hard to read all the comments about your husband. It's tough to face up t the fact that he is to blame, not the OW, because he is the one that betrayed you.

You need to start thinking about YOU now. What you want for yourself.

Personally I could not forgive this scale of deception.

Good luck OP. Keep posting here

springydaffs · 23/12/2014 12:40

No wonder she's right off her head if he's been stringing her along for 12 years.

Anyway, the point is he's been stringing you along for 12 years. It takes a 'special' sort to do that. It means someone who is a skilled liar and always will be, it goes deep. He was 'clever' enough to come up with the perfume-on-coat shit, the 'she wanted to see the view' rubbish.

What a total, total shit. OP, you're probably feeling unhinged and desperate because all the threads you're pursuing don't add up to the truth: that he is a lying, cheating scumbag. NOT a numpty, some poor bloke who got strung along SOMEHOW. It's not him who has been strung along for ever.

I'm so, so sorry you're facing this OP. Take care of yourself from now on in eh Flowers

differentnameforthis · 23/12/2014 12:40

So much blame of the OW!

She stalked him
She wanted to see the view from your bedroom
She did this
She did that

You call him a numpty like this was a silly mistake like not putting the bins out before the truck came

makes it sound like she lead him astray & he was powerless to refuse

Yet he screwed her for 12 years.

differentnameforthis · 23/12/2014 12:42

No wonder she's right off her head if he's been stringing her along for 12 years.

I agree! He shagged her for 12 years, and I bet once you found out he dumped her like a hot potato. 12 years is massive & for him to dump her just show how little he thought of her.

AlpacaYourThings · 23/12/2014 12:58

12years?!

I wouldn't even consider forgiving my DH in these circumstances.

WellnowImFucked · 23/12/2014 13:56

Look at it this way, lets assume that she was 'stalking' him (bear with me here).

If she was stalking him, why didn't you know? If there was someone following my partner around and trying to insert her/him self into our lives I'd want to know. So at the least he's lied by omission

Plus she has to have been a very patient stalker if she never escalated in 12 years, that's unheard of, by their nature stalkers are obsessive, whether its because she believes she's his one true love or if she want 'revenge' for not running away with her. Their activities might wax and wane, but they want a reaction.

And seriously if someone is stalking you which by its very definition 'any unwanted contact between two people that directly or indirectly communicates a threat or places the victim in fear can be considered stalking' why would you (A) let them in to your house (b) let them in to your bedroom and the biggest one of all (c) have sex with them repeatability? Why how did she know that you and your daughters were away on holiday without him? How did she know he was spending a weekend to get his head together? At the least how does she know his mobile number?

Is she some master criminal with access to tracking equipment and mind control powers??

Or is it more likely that He's given her this information because He wanted her to have it. He wanted her to know you were away etc etc because he was an active and willing participant in the affair.

He's lied and lied and lied.
He's broken his marriage vows time and time again and even when found out he still trying to play a role, he's still lying to you.

I get that you must be heart broken, and finding this all so hard to believe and cope with. After all you believed him to be honest and faithful, and now you have evidence that there was 12 years of lies. I'm sure some part of you wants someone to come along and say you know what it never happened. And anyone can understand that.

The thing is it did, and now you have to decide what you want to happen next.

CogitOIOIO · 23/12/2014 14:15

Like other PPs I think you have to accept that your husband has been in another relationship all this time. Twelve years is longer than a lot of marriages so it was hardly some casual fling or temporary infauation. As for the OW going a bit crazy, well I can imagine that 12 years patiently waiting in the shadows all alone while the MM carries on playing Happy Families ad infinitum doesn't do very much for someone's mental health. Maybe she wanted to force things to a conclusion?

He's being a shit to both of you.... something you have in common

Hissy · 23/12/2014 17:14

My love I am so sorry.

There is barely a year that you can remember with him that won't be tainted by the knowledge that he was lying all along. :(

I kind of understand that she thought that she had him, and now it's over, she wants to hurt you as he has hurt her. She sees you as her enemy, you see her as yours.

But she's not your enemy, and you are not hers. the only person you have in common is this H of yours, this P of hers.

You need to be on your own to work out where you are and what you want. Your teen girls need to learn by example from you too somehow.

he needs to go.

Tattiebogle · 23/12/2014 17:26

Your husband has been living a double life for 12 years. It means he is a master manipulator and expert liar. He is not the victim in this.

Nomama · 23/12/2014 17:58

From a different perspective:

My friend has been living with a man for 12 years. he kept promising he would leave his wife, they even set up home for a little while, but he went back to the wife. My friend thought he was leaving, she went to his house and they had a lovely day, she thought it was the beginning of their life together, but then he flew out to be on holiday with his family.

She has had a nervous breakdown over him, says she loves him and will wait forever, but I can't watch her do this to herself. He really has done a number on her. She has given up her young life for him, she won't have kids now, he promised her so many times and she now realises that he was stringing her along. All that time, 12 years of her life wasted.

How do I help her realise that this man is a total shit, to her, his wife, his kids? No woman deserves to be involved with a shit like this!