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huband of 6yrs asked to separate

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mummyoftwingirls · 19/12/2014 23:54

apologies, this is a long story, but i feel so lost.

1 week ago my husband and partner of 6 years, father of my twin 3yr old girls, told me he wants to separate. To be more precise, he said he didnt know how he felt/what he wanted, only knew he couldnt go on feeling like this; basically he has no self esteem or confidence cos ive knocked it out of him with all my verbal putdowns.

He never once came to me and said sit down we need to talk but he says he tried talking to me about how he felt and I always dismissed it out of hand. Maybe I did. Bit I was so wrapped up in my own unhappiness I didnt see his.

He always promised me he would come to me and talk if there was ever anything wrong, that wed never let things get that bad. We both promised this to each other, and periodically renewed this promise. There were many opportunities for him to approach me at those times and others when I wasnt het up about something or poorly or just plain fed up.

I tried talking to him about the things that were bothering me but rarely did I feel he understood and there was not much change really. Perhaps difficulty just accepting him as he is was my main problembut I kept trying to solve any problems and didnt give up.
It was always the little things for me. He could never see the importance of the little things or that simply being important to me should have given them some importance to him too. I ended up feeling resentful and fed up and not listened to by him. So I spoke to him like shit. And didnt listen to him either.

Things werent always that bad, they got worse when after trying for a baby for a while we found out I was pregnant with twins. Joyful news although it was a shock. My pregnancy was very difficult, a few complications that had a huge impact on me and consequently affected my husband too. Our babies were fine, the complications just affected me. I was in a lot of pain and had to go off sick from work at 4mths pregnant. We had few friends in the area as wed not long moved there and I became quite isolated and eventually housebound in order to manage the pain. Its a very hazy memory to me but I must have made life difficult for him too. I was very irritable and just very unhappy and worried about coping with 2 babies.

The birth was also traumatic, as was the postnatal period and I didnt return to work for a total of 22mths. The babes were fine though. I kept telling myself that it was okay, as long as it was me and not them then id put up with anything. The pain was worth it, I could cope as it would eventually go. It did but it took nearly 2 years. Our girls are the pride and joy for both of us.

We did the childcare between us, I worked on his days off and vice versa.too expensive any other way and we needed the money so I had to work. Consequently we didnt see much of each other but it seemed to be going okay, I was on reduced but still full time hours and although I was really tired I enjoyed being back at work.

That was okay until we started needing to do overtime because the flat we had that we couldnt sell lost its tenant so we had that mortgage money to find as well as our own rent. We were kicked out of one of our rented homes too which made our financial situation even worse; cost of vacating and moving again after only 6mths there etc (prohibitive). Then I had a difficult time with some ill health which looking back I think was related to ongoing work related stress etc but thats hindsight and only a recent realisation, at the time I just thought I was exhausted.. I had also been left with a pregnancy related problem and this was just beginning to physically impact on my work/ability to do my job.

I had become so unhappy I considered seriously whether we should separate but he would have none of it and after getting to the bottom of some of our problems things began to improve and my feelings for him started to return. Things got better.

Just when our girls turned 3 we were buying our own house and finally moved into it this summer. We were so relieved to finally have our own place. A lovely home to bring up our gorgeous girls. But obviously things werent right. Just before moving, my wrist problem got a lot worse and I was eventually seconded into another role but for a while I was on reduced salary which placed us under even more financial pressure so he worked all the hours he could and I never saw him.

Our relationship was suffering big time and although I was aware of it on one level and tried talking about this because we needed the money his response was you know why Ive got to work. Of course I knew, it didnt change anything though so I grew resentful and kind of gave up I think. Id say something, he wouldnt reply, id say did you hear? Hed say yes.id say so answer me then hed say I did.id spout off hed spout back id say something like if you dont like it then you know what you can do.etc etc.

Words. Just words, but they have been so damaging. I cant take them back. But I never meant them, they were simply my greatest fear.

But he never came to me in quiet time and said we needed to talk.

I feel so let down. So hurt. So utterly heartbroken I cant even describe it adequately.

I know I have to stay strong for my girls but I feel so bereft, so helpless to right things, I love him and I want our family to stay together, as a happy family of course. But hes feeling so hurt himself he can only see how ive made him feel and he feels ill just do it again. He cant see how his actions have also impacted on me.

So now he wants to separate. We have a house that we will lose money on and infact end up with debt due to early redemption fees etc. we already have plenty of debt. Weve just bought a car and paid for a few days in Disney paris and bought a new sofa. Literally just done those things in the last 2 mths.

I feel so very hurt and let down but also livid about the financial situation this will place us in. i wish hed come to me before he felt this bad we could have been trying to sort all our problems without it coming to this but he says i wasnt very approachable. but most of all I just want my husband to change his mind and say, lets try again and come to some counselling.

OP posts:
sanfairyanne · 22/12/2014 04:43

people say about an ow because there usually is. the script then goes that history is rewritten exactly as op describes, so that it becomes the wife's fault for not understanding the man, and so he decides to leave.

discussing the possibility of an ow is to help op see that just because her dh presents it as all her fault, does not necessarily make it so. it doesnt solve the ops problem - her dh wants to leave - but it might help her to frame a useful response to his decision to leave. op, there is no harm in googling 'the script' and thinking about how his actions might or might not follow this pattern.

op, have you spoken yet about his plans to leave? how concrete are they?

superstarheartbreaker · 22/12/2014 06:21

It is annoying how everyone jumps to the OW conclusion when it is perfectly clear that the couple have been through such enormous strain that would test any marriage. It is quite feasible that he just can't cope and there is in fact no ow. There might be but we just don't know.

HellKitty · 22/12/2014 06:41

I don't think it's an OW, I do think he's emotionally checked out due to him wanting to talk to you but you not letting him. I think he's also stressed to fuck. I'm not blaming you at all, so please don't read it like that but you've both lost the way.

You are already in debt but have bought a car, a sofa and a Disney holiday in the last 2 months. Honestly, who's idea was all that? Yours? He's already said he's working hard for the family. You need to cut your cloth to suit and if you can talk to him then work together on a new financial plan. Not for splitting up but for living together. If you can save this relationship. And don't put your barriers up, they must be up a little bit already to be sniping at him all the time.

GnomeDePlume · 22/12/2014 06:47

Is it worth sitting down and going through the different scenarios with your DH and really going through the practicalities.

= what Will your world look like ifyouseparate?
= how much will it cost?

  • where will you all live?

Then compare that with the cost and practicality of staying together and making a go of it.

When I first started reading this thread I too thought OW but then it occurred to me that it may not be an OW but seeing that there is a way out. It may be that there is someone he knows going through a divorce and thinking 'that doesn't look as bad as I thought'

gretagrape · 22/12/2014 07:15

Wow op I feel like you have delved into my brain and written down my life at the moment. My marriage is at rock bottom - we have a son with allergies, we work full time on different shifts and we recently had three massive financial outlays that came one after the other (emergency type things that couldn't be avoided) and it's now, when things are most stressful, that i'm realising just how poor our communication has become.

Similar scenarios to you. I ask a question, he ignores it, I ask again, he gives a non-commital answer, I ask for more because "we don't get a lot of time so need to sort this", he says he's too tired to talk, I fire back a shitty criticism in frustration. He is then even less inclined to open up for fear that I'll shoot him down again so I push for communication even harder. Repeat most nights and here's the result.

I don't see any benefit in you dwelling on the concept of OW - you dont have the time or energy to focus on things you don't even know. I would say focus on communication - it sounds like it's that that's got you where you are now but if you can relearn how to talk to eachother then maybe you can get to a place where your relationship can recover. I know that might sound glib but I've seen friends split over less and others stay together over more and in both cases it was communication that was the fundamental factor.

RoastitBubblyJocks · 22/12/2014 08:21

Whether or not there is an OW, he has certainly passed the point of wanting to talk, has moved on in his head to a place outside of the relationship, maybe to an OW, maybe not.

I'm sorry but I think people on this thread are being very unfair to him. The OP had said herself he has tried to talk about this many times, she has snapped back with "well, if you don't like it, you know what you can do". There is only so many times someone can say that to you before you just switch off from the relationship, and then eventually you just want out. That sort of threatening, I'd almost say emotional abuse actually, it's poison to a relationship. She basically told him that she doesn't care of he is unhappy, she's not going to stop speaking to him like shit and he just has to lump it. And is now surprised he's found a backbone.

To now come on here saying it is not fair he didn't properly tell you is ridiculous. The warnings were there, you chose not to listen. This is the price of that.

I'm not denying you've had a very tough time too, OP. But you've not dealt with these last few years as a team. And now you're just two separate people, and he wants out.

carlywurly · 22/12/2014 08:33

What twinkle bells says. All of it.

I'm really sorry you're facing this, especially at this time of year, but with the benefit of hindsight, I would have helped xh pack the moment he started with all of this, 5 years ago, rather than stringing it out for 12 drama filled months. Horrific for your self esteem Hmm

And yes, there was an ow. More than one. I swore on here there wasn't. Any fucker, amongst others, pointed this out at the time and was extremely kind in the aftermath.

Twinklebells · 22/12/2014 10:07

Hope you are ok now Carlywurly - hideous isn't it. Wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. I think clinging on to the wreckage hoping he may change his mind and decides he wants to stay is soul destroying. Don't fight for something when one person clearly doesn't want it. And yes OP playing the 'pick me' dance does make you a doormat. I did it, and it utterly trashes your self esteem. I wish I had been stronger from day one rather than in denial like you are. Sorry.

Lweji · 22/12/2014 20:32

I wouldn't compare the practicalities of separating versus him staying.
You don't want him to stay with you because it's cheaper for him to do so. You would want him to stay because he loves you and there is a good relationship. Except, the relationship is not that good.
Does he actually see a way out, or he is doing it so that you bend yourself backwards to keep him? You will soon find out, I think.

intlmanofmystery · 23/12/2014 00:21

This all sounds so familiar. Huge stress all round but please please take the time to properly talk and listen to each other. Your situation, and that of geta just above, imply some spiral that goes ever downwards. If you can listen to what he has to say (without jumping in or contradicting) and try to see it from his POV you may make some progress. It is about both sets of views, not just yours. But also please give him some notice - the worst thing is for you to spring it on him when you have been dwelling on it for some time and you catch him cold. It was something my exW was completely incapable of which is why we are no longer together.

Doesn't sound at all like an OW to me, more extreme stress and a panicked look for an escape route.

despicableshe · 23/12/2014 09:33

FWIW I agree with RoastitBubblyJocks. I don't think it's necessarily an OW either. Communication is the issue here.

daisychain01 · 23/12/2014 10:08

Sorry if this repeats advice already mentioned up-thread ...

  • A full frank discussion together seems a constructive starting point. A babysitter would be helpful so you can take yourselves off to neutral territory away from the home, maybe take a long walk locally, it doesn't have to be any more complicated than that.
  • You could initiative the discussion by saying what a MASSIVE strain those life events (you mentioned in your OP) can have on even the strongest of relationships. Ask him to think for a moment about everything you have both been through and how it has taken its toll emotionally and physically.
  • The responsibilities of your twins in itself has been all-consuming, so your relationship has fallen into disrepair, your energy levels sapped, your love for each other obscured by money worries and day-to-day stress.
  • You could mention it is not about blame or finger-pointing, you both own your relationship, and given time and attention, you feel confident you can both learn and grow together, the way you originally believed in, when you got married.

I don't want to make this into a script for you, mummyof, hopefully these ideas and things PPs have mentioned, can help you.

Sometimes the starting point for such a crucial conversation is the most difficult part. If you can at least show that you have thought deeply about it and how much you value the relationship, it could get things back on-track.

daisychain01 · 23/12/2014 10:11

And just to mention, this isn't intended as a 'pick-me dance', this is about repairing communication - if DH doesn't want to engage after a dignified truthful discussion, then of course it is time to consider the future for you both.

But until you try, you'll never know.

victorianhomedreamer · 23/12/2014 10:22

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simontowers2 · 23/12/2014 16:36

If he says he wants to separate you must surely respect his wishes and save your energies for when OW creeps out of the woodwork (which she most certainly will - this sounds v much like OW gave him an ultimatum to end things by xmas). Focus on ur kids OP.

mummyoftwingirls · 24/12/2014 19:22

ok. first id like to say that im not a doormat. again.

i want it to work, yes. but im not going to beg. i not going to try to force him etc etc, i dont want someone who doesnt want me. end of. so no, im not playing the "pick me" dance. what will be will be. and it will be the right thing in the end. it might be very sad, it might be a shame, it might be devastating but eventually we will come through.

i owe it to myself and my girls to ensure that there is no chance of a reconcilliation. one day they may have questions and id like to be able to say that we were both sure that separation was the right thing to do.

we are both fully agreed that our girls come first and we both want to keep things as friendlly and civil as we can for their sake as they will be the ones who benefit most from this. fortunately they are young so will be quite resilient.

he doesnt want to try again. so that is that. im now going to focus on the future and not the past as that is the only way forward to the path of possible future friendship; after all, we made 2 beautiful little girls together out of the love we shared. despite what has happened to that love we still have 2 beautiful little girls to bring up together (which can still be done jointly) and these 2 little girls love both their mummy and daddy massively.

If there is an OW as so many of you seem to suspect, well all i can say is that she will not be as important to me or DH as our 2 little girls, so im not going to give that the brain space it doesnt deserve.
one day there is bound to be an OW (except she wont be an OW by then) and somewhere along the way, one day, i may take up with someone too (hard to imagine right now).

so please dont harp on about OW any more, i know its a possibility but until it rears up i will take him at his word.
I feel much more together now than i did a week and a half ago. Dont knock me for it.

its Christmas Day tomorrow. we are spending the morning together as a family before i have to go to work in the afternoon. i think it will be ok. and the girls will have a fab day.

Try to write nice posts only, even if it is just for one day.
Merry Christmas to all the lovely people who have tried to help and advise, esp those who are able to help others move on.

my final post.

OP posts:
MistressDeeCee · 25/12/2014 15:57

I actually do think it screams "OW". It often takes that for a man to decide he wants to leave his wife because "he doesn't know what he wants". Oh yes, he does..and its normally the usual catalyst. The "don't know" part is because he can't come right out and say what the catalyst is. Difficult few years? Yes, it sounds like it has been but as adults we cope with our difficulties, we don't just wash our hands and walk away just like that. Especially when DCs are involved. Not that he will walk away immediately..there will be angst & handwringing 1st. I don't think anyone suggesting "OW" is compounding the OPs misery - this man who wants to walk away from his wife and DCs has already done that.

I wouldn't play wifey to him, since he has had the rudeness and audacity to tell you he wants to end things, without sitting down for a good heart-to-heart with you 1st - and however busy he may have been, he has had the time to do that but it seems, not the inclination. He suddenly found that inclination when he wanted to say "I've had enough, but Im going to negate that by saying I dont know what I want..until I can sort out other stuff for myself"

Let him have his "don't know" moment away from you - its easy for someone to mess with you whilst they are sitting in the comfort zone with you. He needs a taste of exactly what it will be like without you all. It may be that he still wants to leave & that being the case, so be it..you can't control another person. But he doesn't get to drop that on you and then just sit there where he is, while you are feeling angry upset and hurt and in the same space as him.

Lweji · 25/12/2014 16:11

Glad you are feeling stronger and more together.
I hope it does work out well for your DDs and yourself. Sometimes things start amicable but then selfishness takes hold. I hope this won't happen here. But I suspect a lot of strain may disappear as you stop relying on him and stop expectations that are normal in a relationship.

Have a good Christmas.

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