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huband of 6yrs asked to separate

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mummyoftwingirls · 19/12/2014 23:54

apologies, this is a long story, but i feel so lost.

1 week ago my husband and partner of 6 years, father of my twin 3yr old girls, told me he wants to separate. To be more precise, he said he didnt know how he felt/what he wanted, only knew he couldnt go on feeling like this; basically he has no self esteem or confidence cos ive knocked it out of him with all my verbal putdowns.

He never once came to me and said sit down we need to talk but he says he tried talking to me about how he felt and I always dismissed it out of hand. Maybe I did. Bit I was so wrapped up in my own unhappiness I didnt see his.

He always promised me he would come to me and talk if there was ever anything wrong, that wed never let things get that bad. We both promised this to each other, and periodically renewed this promise. There were many opportunities for him to approach me at those times and others when I wasnt het up about something or poorly or just plain fed up.

I tried talking to him about the things that were bothering me but rarely did I feel he understood and there was not much change really. Perhaps difficulty just accepting him as he is was my main problembut I kept trying to solve any problems and didnt give up.
It was always the little things for me. He could never see the importance of the little things or that simply being important to me should have given them some importance to him too. I ended up feeling resentful and fed up and not listened to by him. So I spoke to him like shit. And didnt listen to him either.

Things werent always that bad, they got worse when after trying for a baby for a while we found out I was pregnant with twins. Joyful news although it was a shock. My pregnancy was very difficult, a few complications that had a huge impact on me and consequently affected my husband too. Our babies were fine, the complications just affected me. I was in a lot of pain and had to go off sick from work at 4mths pregnant. We had few friends in the area as wed not long moved there and I became quite isolated and eventually housebound in order to manage the pain. Its a very hazy memory to me but I must have made life difficult for him too. I was very irritable and just very unhappy and worried about coping with 2 babies.

The birth was also traumatic, as was the postnatal period and I didnt return to work for a total of 22mths. The babes were fine though. I kept telling myself that it was okay, as long as it was me and not them then id put up with anything. The pain was worth it, I could cope as it would eventually go. It did but it took nearly 2 years. Our girls are the pride and joy for both of us.

We did the childcare between us, I worked on his days off and vice versa.too expensive any other way and we needed the money so I had to work. Consequently we didnt see much of each other but it seemed to be going okay, I was on reduced but still full time hours and although I was really tired I enjoyed being back at work.

That was okay until we started needing to do overtime because the flat we had that we couldnt sell lost its tenant so we had that mortgage money to find as well as our own rent. We were kicked out of one of our rented homes too which made our financial situation even worse; cost of vacating and moving again after only 6mths there etc (prohibitive). Then I had a difficult time with some ill health which looking back I think was related to ongoing work related stress etc but thats hindsight and only a recent realisation, at the time I just thought I was exhausted.. I had also been left with a pregnancy related problem and this was just beginning to physically impact on my work/ability to do my job.

I had become so unhappy I considered seriously whether we should separate but he would have none of it and after getting to the bottom of some of our problems things began to improve and my feelings for him started to return. Things got better.

Just when our girls turned 3 we were buying our own house and finally moved into it this summer. We were so relieved to finally have our own place. A lovely home to bring up our gorgeous girls. But obviously things werent right. Just before moving, my wrist problem got a lot worse and I was eventually seconded into another role but for a while I was on reduced salary which placed us under even more financial pressure so he worked all the hours he could and I never saw him.

Our relationship was suffering big time and although I was aware of it on one level and tried talking about this because we needed the money his response was you know why Ive got to work. Of course I knew, it didnt change anything though so I grew resentful and kind of gave up I think. Id say something, he wouldnt reply, id say did you hear? Hed say yes.id say so answer me then hed say I did.id spout off hed spout back id say something like if you dont like it then you know what you can do.etc etc.

Words. Just words, but they have been so damaging. I cant take them back. But I never meant them, they were simply my greatest fear.

But he never came to me in quiet time and said we needed to talk.

I feel so let down. So hurt. So utterly heartbroken I cant even describe it adequately.

I know I have to stay strong for my girls but I feel so bereft, so helpless to right things, I love him and I want our family to stay together, as a happy family of course. But hes feeling so hurt himself he can only see how ive made him feel and he feels ill just do it again. He cant see how his actions have also impacted on me.

So now he wants to separate. We have a house that we will lose money on and infact end up with debt due to early redemption fees etc. we already have plenty of debt. Weve just bought a car and paid for a few days in Disney paris and bought a new sofa. Literally just done those things in the last 2 mths.

I feel so very hurt and let down but also livid about the financial situation this will place us in. i wish hed come to me before he felt this bad we could have been trying to sort all our problems without it coming to this but he says i wasnt very approachable. but most of all I just want my husband to change his mind and say, lets try again and come to some counselling.

OP posts:
jack45132 · 20/12/2014 12:32

Sorry. If it helps, here is my perspective as a man. I'm going to be a little blunt, not trying to inflame things, just trying to quickly paint a state of mind he MAY be in;

He's laid back easy going, which means he just wants you to be happy. But whatever he does it doesn't seem to make you happy, in fact things seem worse. He doesn't know what to do, just trying harder doesn't seem to be working. Men often feel socially isolated during the first few years of new children - they fall back on their self-esteem at fixing/providing things and being a rock (which looks like it's not enough for the situation). Good men (assuming he is) switch off their own needs for a few years (just like the women do). At this point he's clinging to his self-esteem like a life-raft, while you're wrestling with a young babies (having your own problems). If he gets belittled, or his ability to provide is questioned at this point then he can feel desperate to wave the little white flag.

It's only a guess....hope it might help..

EdithWeston · 20/12/2014 12:35

Christmas/New Year is a peak time for relationships to founder. It tends to crystallise feelings that may have been brewing up for some time.

jack45132 · 20/12/2014 12:41

Just reading some of the other replies. Can't believe people are ALREADY suggesting you leave him. FFS. Talk through the issues. Get someone to look after the children. REALLY think through what you want, put it down on a bit of paper (so he can read it again and again) Then give it to him and discuss face to face. ONLY after this give any though to the LTB brigade...

AuntieStella · 20/12/2014 12:53

It's not a case of whether OP wants the marriage to end though. LTB isn't her choice, as he has already said he wants to separate.

It's a case of what she chooses to do next, surely? Trying to beg someone to stay when they want out is very unlikely to work. Rebuilding yourself and rediscovering what you really want is a much more secure foundation for your future than clinging to a situation that the other partner does not want.

jack45132 · 20/12/2014 13:03

AuntieStella. He has SAID "he wants to separate" - but that is not the same as WANTING to separate. Just my opinion, but it's a desperate cry for help. Surely lets start by considering the possibility that the relationship can still be salvaged..

Twinklebells · 20/12/2014 13:21

surely saying he wants to separate means just that? Analysing and putting a spin on it doesn't change what he said? How can you talk to someone who refuses to communicate. As far as I see it he has been planning this for a while and it is a done deal. OP needs to catch up fast - he has already moved on. You really expect her to talk and grovel to beg him to change his mind and stay? Bugger that for a game of soldiers.

NotYouNaanBread · 20/12/2014 13:27

I don't see anything that suggests OW, or for that matter, that the situation is unsalvagable.

He has said what is wrong with things and that he is so upset by it that he wants out. To just let him leave without trying to fix things is confirming that he is right to leave.

It sounds like you have slipped into snappiness and little meannesses. I can be very guilty of this, and my long suffering husband doesn't pull me up on it enough, I think.

I think you should throw everything you have into saving this, even if it means substantially downsizing your lifestyle to give yourselves more time together. It pounds like you have been putting unbearable financial pressures on yourselves and this, coupled with illness, is hurting your marriage terribly.

Northernparent68 · 20/12/2014 14:55

I agree with auntie Stella, it sounds like a lack of communication on both sides, it has to be worth trying to talk and listen to each other

AnyFuckerForAMincePie · 20/12/2014 15:08

He said he wants to go. I wouldn't be trying to persuade him not to. There madness lies.

WellWhoKnew · 20/12/2014 15:35

I'll chime in.

It doesn't really matter if there's an OW or not. He's said he wants to go, so go he must. What you're struggling with (and I do NOT blame you) is the absolute fear of the unknown future, which right now, sounds impoverished, difficult and lonely.

So it's not unreasonable for you to feel bereft, scared and confused. Especially as this has just happened.

However, I agree that trying to 'turn back time' to previously happy periods isn't going to happen - because we've yet to solve the mystery of time travel.

What you rightly recognise is that you would prefer to "work through" your problems. What's not really clear is whether he does. There's little point you making all the effort, if he isn't going to match it, I'm afraid.

Is there anyone who could babysit so you could go and get counselling together, or at least, take a long walk and thrash out your issues?

MimiSunshine · 20/12/2014 16:08

A man wants to leave so it must be an OW Hmm

The OP has clearly admitted that he tried to tell her how he felt and she "dismissed it out of hand". Nice.
That she felt he should have raised it with her when she "wasn't het up about something, poorly or just plan fed up". Oh to be psychic.
When feeling upset and disappointed by his actions or lack of empathy she "spoke to him like shit and didn't listen to him". Do I need to go on? No wonder he wants to leave.

OP I think you've had a very tough few years, it's pushed you both mentally and physically to breaking point. I think you need to find a way to have some time together, tell him that you're sorry for the above and feel you can still have a happy marriage and you love him.
Try not to get into tit for tat you said, he said etc and go to councling both as a couple and individually to work through the problems.

jack45132 · 20/12/2014 19:14

This thread has really opened up my eyes to the mumsnet version of womanhood. This poor woman is facing Armageddon, and comes here looking for advice. Quite a number of posters are so bitter with their own situations past that they are trying to encourage her to immediately head for the exit...

AuntieStella · 20/12/2014 19:16

jack45132: rather than complaining about the advice to the OP whose H is about to leave, what do you advise?

jack45132 · 20/12/2014 19:22

see my post earlier.

Favouritepants · 20/12/2014 19:25

If I had been through what you've been through - difficult pregnancy, traumatic birth, twins, major loss of earnings, forced move, tag team parenting, ill health - I think it might have split my relationship too. Don't underestimate what you've both been through. Have a look at the marriage builders website if he is willing. They have some diagnostic questionnaires that are very helpful in helping you both to identify your individual needs.

WhenSheWasBadSheWasHorrid · 20/12/2014 19:27

Poor you op and I feel sorry for your dh too. Small kids, stressful work and house renovations are currently massively testing my marriage too (and you have had way more to contend with).

I would try and reopen communications with him. Apologise for all the times you dismissed him or if you belittled him. See if he wants to try and work on the relationship - very best of luck.

clam · 20/12/2014 19:28

"they are trying to encourage her to immediately head for the exit..."

The flaw in that argument is that it is her dh who wants to head for the exit. What the OP wants may well be a moot point.

Twinklebells · 20/12/2014 19:32

Jack - do you really think we are stupid enough to project our own experiences onto the OP. Don't insult our intelligence. What a joke. Advice given is based on the facts the OP gives. And she has told us he said he wants to separate - he isn't thinking about it or asking her to talk. He wants to leave the family right at Christmas time.

After reading and posting here for years you will see that this actually screams OW. This isn't oh let's have a little chat and a date night and say sorry and persuade him to stay. He is already leaving..... emotionally he is gone and has already detached and has moved on - which generally means he has moved on to someone else. We are telling the OP to find some dignity and tell him to go.

Yes, let him see what he is losing, maybe then after some time alone he will realise what he is losing - but the OP begging and pleading at this stage will do the square root of sod all - except for belittling her, making her feel stupid and making him see her as a complete and utter doormat. How does that make her look attractive. Don't you think she deserves more than that?

eddielizzard · 20/12/2014 19:33

you've BOTH been through hell and back.

what i hear from your post is a bit of resentment: why didn't he tell me? maybe he couldn't?

if you want to resolve this, then you need to start from the view that you have both done the best you could at the time. none of us are perfect, we all try to muddle along.

i think some gentle, un-accusatory talking needs to be done here. i don't see that this isn't salvageable, but not if you're keen on assigning blame. that gets you nowhere.

think about what you really want, and try to move towards it.

AuntieStella · 20/12/2014 20:10

Well, jack, you've said talk to him, but what is that really going to achieve, given the descriptions of total breakdown in communication that has become entrenched for some time now? And is it likely to stop him leaving?

I wrote quite a long post about the communication issue.

But I don't think there is a quick fix that will stop him leaving, nor do I think it is necessarily desirable at this stage to make the attempt. Rediscovering oneself takes time; both need to do this. And making the attempt by trying to shove someone into staying in a situation they currently want to leave is likely to be counterproductive in terms of durable solutions.

Twinklebells · 20/12/2014 20:16

Well said Auntie - couldn't agree more.

mummyoftwingirls · 22/12/2014 00:35

okay, well ive read all your answers and think some of you are genuinely trying to help me so i thank you.

someone suggested a website called marriage builders and ive been on there, it does seem to make alot of sense so ive printed some of the info off and asked my dh to read it in the hopes that it may ring a bell for him and maybe open up the possibity that trying again is a real option and not a futile attempt.

i agree with what someone said about there being lots worth fighting for. I am also in agreement that staying together for the childrens sake is not a good idea. but whilst there is any affection at all then i think its worth trying and taking the risk of further hurt; who knows what wil happen.
however, i dont know if he will opt for this and im not holding my breath although i am hoping.

for whoever it was that said i was being a doormat; no im not, im just prepared to fight for what i want because i think its worth fighting for. i love my husband and i think we have got a future together but i dont know if he can see that at the moment and i dont know if he will. i will do what i can to help him see that i recognise my part in the breakdown but that is no good on its own, he will have to acknowledge that he played a part too.

weve been through so much together, maybe this is the end, maybe it isnt. maybe this needed to happen inorder for better things to come along and our relationship to improve and move forward. they do say that things get worse befroe better (which could mean anything).,.... but i dont know, time will tell.

ultimately, what will be ,will be. but i will be able to satisfy myself that i tried and i will be able to tell that to my girls should they ever ask me when they are older.

so i will be able to hold my head up and have some self respect.

thank you all for listening.

OP posts:
CheeseBuster · 22/12/2014 02:02

If anyone sounds like the doormat it's the DH. I think everyone is projecting OP, no signs of OW here just very stressed man.

Do you think he would be interested in trying a trial separation OP? A proper one, he'd have to move out and all contact would be strictly limited to your girls, no chats etc.

jasper · 22/12/2014 02:17

kindly refrain from directing your pointless insults at me AF.

OP comes here for help and is made to feel worse by the insistence there MUST be another woman involved. That is really not helpful at all.

OP this all must be devestating for you. I hope you can work things out. you wouldn't be the first married couple under a lot of stress to pull back from the brink of divorce. good luck

Lweji · 22/12/2014 03:45

I don't think suggesting the possibility of another woman should make the op feel worse. I'd think blaming only the op should make her feel worse.
It's difficult to say who's "at fault" if anyone is, so it's just as possible you dismissed him as he didn't really try.
What it sounds like is that you are not working out as a couple and he says he wants out.
He may well have someone in mind, if not a full blown affair. Certainly someone he may feel he can relate to better than with you, but also without responsibilities with the children.
I wouldn't be surprised that he's so laid back that he'll see less and less of the children too. :(

At this point, I'd put firmly the driving wheel with him and ask him about his plans and what he wants, then go from there.
If he wants out, then he's out asap.
If he wants to try and resolve the problems, then I'd be available and I'd listen, but I wouldn't force him to.
But I wouldn't try to win or force him back.

And in fact people saying OW are kind in preparing you for the very likely shock.

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