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vienna1981 · 11/12/2014 11:49

Good morning everyone. Could I please ask your opinions on my situation.

I am nearly 44 years old, a single
man living alone. Throughout my teenage years and all my adult life I
have had no intimate contact with
any woman. That really sums it up.

Things began to go wrong for me just before my 18th birthday. A girl in my class at school had, on reflection,
been paying me a lot of attention. I
got on well with her and found her
very attractive but I didn't reciprocate
because I knew she had a steady
boyfriend and I was wary of treading
on someone else's toes. What I didn't
know was that the relationship was
waning. Anyway said girl decided to
hook up with my brother on New
Year's Eve which was the start of a
nearly four-year relationship for
them. Brother was either unaware of
the boyfriend or had been told that he
was all but out of the picture, thus
leaving the way clear, so to speak.

Rightly or wrongly I couldn't help but feel used, humiliated and very
jealous. Without me, girl and brother
would never have met and I could
well have enjoyed embarking on my
first personal relationship.

I don't think I have ever got over this. I am a shy, quiet and sensitive person at the best of times and this episode gave my modest self-confidence a kicking it didn't need. Since then there has been about half a dozen women (keeping count sounds terrible) I have taken an interest in but nothing has happened. I have asked for dates and drinks a few times but have been turned down on every occasion. I have lost contact (my doing) with the few schoolfriends I had. They are all now either married with children or in long-term relationships and I can't bear the comparison. I have six older brothers and sisters who are similarly settled in life. BTW the brother I mentioned earlier met and married someone else sixteen years ago. Ironically when he broke up with 'my' girl after nearly four years it was ME he came running to for support and company. Beats me why I didn't tell him to get knotted. We're fine these days but I shall never forgive him and her for screwing me around all those years ago.

The older I get the more I feel how disappointing my life is. I work full time in a manual job. No shame there but it's poorly paid and I'm punching under my weight. I work with people much younger than me who find meeting boyfriends and girlfriends as easy as falling off a log. I am very much aware of my personal shortcomings which makes me defensive and aloof, to the point of arrogance according to some folk. I hate socialising, even in the most informal circumstances, and spend most of my time outside work alone. I find it very hard seeing others of all ages getting along and enjoying themselves in carefree fashion, especially in pubs and restaurants and wishing I could do the same.

I would dearly love to be the polar opposite of the man I am. I have spent thirty-odd years having low self-esteem, little confidence and a good deal of introversion and pride. I am fed up of being a shrinking violet in his mid-forties with little to show for it. My only significant achievement is buying and owning my home. It's only a one bedroom flat but it's not rented. It's mine and I am grateful for that every day.

Needless to say I am still a virgin. One or two of my closer workmates know this and are fine with it. Goodness knows what less charitable folk would make of it at my age. Even telling folk I have always been single brings surprised or downright unhelpful responses. How come ? What's wrong with you ? Are you gay or something ? And so on. BTW I am definitely heterosexual.

Have I just been very unlucky ? I shall welcome all your opinions, comments and advice, no matter what.

Thankyou for your indulgence ladies and gents. I appreciate this is a lengthy post. Wink

OP posts:
Riverland · 13/12/2014 13:59

Vienna, hi. Here's my feedback to you.

You are shut down.

You are in a permanent strop.

You are having a prolonged quiet tantrum.

You are unaware of your anger but it dictates your every thought.

You are a master of the "yes,but" game.

Read 'games people play"

My suggestion to you is you do some body based therapy to unblock all your ossified emotion.

Have a look at the work of Alexander Lowen. You will find yourself within his typology and can find help via his work.

hesterton · 13/12/2014 14:22

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CupidStuntSurvivor · 13/12/2014 18:50

I've read your OP and your comments but not other people's, so apologies if I'm saying what's already been said repeatedly.

You cannot blame your whole life's worth of loneliness on a missed opportunity at the age of 18. And you certainly can't put the blame on your brother or his ex because neither of them were aware of your feelings.

You do sound like you would and have previously benefited from certain forms of therapy. But you choose to discontinue it repeatedly. The fact is, in order to meet friends and partners, you must be able to socialise, however reserved you might come across when you do so. So, if you are crippled by social situations, you absolutely must get some therapy in order to address this. You need to continue with this until you feel able to go to shared interest groups, etc.

A suitable woman or friend is not going to just turn up at your door one day. You know this as it's not happened in the past 26 years. There are only so many excuses you can make for not getting the help you need.

Please don't take this the wrong way, but something in the tone of your comments RE drinking gives me the impression you're drinking an awful lot. This isn't going to be helping your situation at all.

daisychainmail · 13/12/2014 20:32

It is weird to read this as I had an ex boyfriend who was very similar -- not quite as severe in that he'd had a few girlfriends (inc. me!) but his whole sexual and relationship psychology all turned on one romantic (failed sex) event from his teens. According to him it had shaped his whole psychology and everything we tried over 4 years didn't really change him. It got me down in the end, not his actual hangups but his inability (unwillingness?) to move beyond this incident, or to see that it didn't need to be so serious. I have never seen the same mindset at work until I read this post (and the OP's subsequent messages) and it is very interesting for me to get an inside view. My ex was very upset when I broke up with him and I'm sure it just confirmed his narrative, but I had to leave.

daisychainmail · 13/12/2014 20:33

Also he had to a 't' the same attitude of this poster i.e. that things happened to him rather than he made things happen. Very strange - there should be a proper name for it! I am not trying to undermine you OP, I know how shit it is.

vienna1981 · 13/12/2014 21:18

Thankyou again everybody.

Awful hours means 12 hour shifts starting at 5 a.m. or 5 p.m. Three days on, three days off, averaging at 40 hours per week. I do have plenty of time for myself but I do struggle to occupy myself, save for routines such as shopping, housework, swimming, Costa/Nero and so on.

Incidentally my weekly swim is a nudist activity with a local group at a local pool. However, the bulk of the members are male OAPs and the few ladies there are similarly aged. So, nothing doing there !

I have no friends at all.

I concede I might give the impression I don't want to get over this episode. However I am simply being mindful of the potential pitfalls in trying to be more confident. It's a massive step to take and I need to be careful not to end up worse off than I am now.

Regrettably I agree about our society's expectations regarding the role of men in dating and mating. It is crude and unfair but I don't expect it to change any time soon.

I don't know what "shut down" means in this context.

There has never been any suggestion that I have a drink problem. With my early starts and night shifts I have to observe a strict alcohol intake. No one with a drink problem could be that disciplined. I can let loose a little when I'm off duty but never to excess. The last time I was seriously drunk was in 1991.

Let's not forget I have tried therapy and never dismissed completely. But it would be foolish and naive of me to continue if it was proving expensive or ineffective. Or both, as I have found. Forgive me if this has latterly soured my attitude towards therapy. Sadly my GP surgery hasn't been too hot on sourcing counselling or therapy for range of needs. I'm thinking Wikipedia topics such as social phobia, love-shyness and so on. They are otherwise excellent, to be fair.

I shall of course be happy to read any more responses but otherwise I think I shall wrap this thread up now. I am hugely grateful to everybody taking the trouble to post such detailed and thought provoking responses. I in turn am finding it hard work to reply to everybody, as I only have a mobile phone at my disposal most of the time !

All the best.

PS. Thanks to whoever commented that I am very articulate. Correct spelling and grammar is a big issue for me.

OP posts:
Riverland · 13/12/2014 21:29

"yes but" script. Read "games people play" Vienna, it will show you the victim mentality you are languishing in right now.

You found a hook you have hung your hat on, ie your brother and the girl.

It's nothing more than a hook. It's a red herring.

You are using it to justify your entrenchment, you will find it enlightening to uncover your "yes but" script, if you allow yourself even the smallest amount of genuine receptivity.

Safe being shut down, isn't it. Lonely, monotonous, but safe.

mrscumberbatch · 13/12/2014 22:40

Assuming that you are interested in nudist lifestyle why don't you go on a holiday and meet some like minded people?

You may find that being in a new situation/place forces you out of your current social habits.

I do think it is odd that you have no friends. As a potential mate that would set alarm bells ringing for me.
Is it a choice thing? Self preservation? Unwillingness to make friends in order to avoid potential conflicts later down the road ( which may or may not happen.)

Would it be fair to say that you are perhaps a bit of a control freak and find change or the prospect of change difficult or alarming?

beaglesaresweet · 14/12/2014 00:32

'shut down' I think was meant as being unreceptive to new positive approach or as being closed down to trying new unfamiliar things that take you out of your comfort zone.
Regarding friends, is that based on your inability to trust people, OP? Or that due to shift work you just don't have the energy to invest in friendships? I still think a language course could suit you - small groups, and you would be good at it. Maybe some light friendships could come out of that (as one option). Friendships don't need to be deep if you are scared, you could just share an interest or just go for a regular drink with someone.
Really all depends whether you really want any changes to your life.

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