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Contemplating divorce and 'D'H just got fired

61 replies

suchabloodymess · 28/11/2014 18:05

Have been trying to work out what to do, regarding separation following (relatively minor) DV incident involving the police a few weeks ago which was the last straw for me.. Now 'D'H just got fired from his senior well-paid job today.

Whole sorry state of affairs on previous thread:

Thread

I'm trying to gather my thoughts on what this means.

  1. He's going to be home ALL THE TIME
  2. He's asking for loads of assurances "As long as WE'RE ok, then it'll be fine" which I can't give him...
  3. I have a bomb to drop, better to do it now, can't leave it until he has started or is about to start a new job?
  4. But I will be the b*tch who kicked the poor, poor man when he was down.
  5. He'll be the poor saintly house husband and über dad, and I'll be the absent heartless career woman. He'll monopolise the children and become de-facto primary carer.

I think it's all going to kick off, and I'm not ready and I'm frightened.

Help.

Please.

OP posts:
Lweji · 30/11/2014 00:38

I hope you are ok tonight.
I have been there and the constant pressure is tiring and soul destroying.
Make sure you have a phone with you and don't face him off.

He has already committed DV, he will do it again in all likelihood. :(

SmillasSenseOfSnow · 30/11/2014 00:38

I'm not asleep yet OP. Are you sure you're safe aside from his insistence on talking?

dadwood · 30/11/2014 00:39

He's using the children huh! That's what emotional abusers do when all else fails. I am still up by the way!

BrowersBlues · 30/11/2014 00:40

I am not asleep and can talk all you like. You don't have to talk to him anymore tonight. Just go to bed in one of the kid's beds. Are you scared? X

Lweji · 30/11/2014 00:40

Think safety most and foremost.

BrowersBlues · 30/11/2014 00:53

If he starts to get aggressive ring the police and have him removed. You did the right thing. You can get through tonight. In a while it will all get sorted and things will settle down to a new normal. You are a brave woman, keep you head high,, you can and will get through this night.

WhereYouLeftIt · 30/11/2014 01:53

"Have been trying to work out what to do, regarding separation following (relatively minor) DV incident involving the police a few weeks ago which was the last straw for me.. Now 'D'H just got fired from his senior well-paid job today."

Your first paragraph. And the first thought that went through my head when I read it was 'I bet he engineered being fired'.

"I do think he's genuinely been fired, yes. He was white as a sheet when I saw him yesterday. I'm not surprised. He's been telling me about the "idiots" he works with for months, and it sounds like he's been bullying and somewhat tyrannical to the point that they can't work with him any more."
And I still think he engineered it, because I read the thread you linked to, and he has had you under siege for a very long time OP Sad. But, I wonder if you could make his firing work for you somehow? Your biggest worry seems to be that you fear he will be believed, that he will convince everyone that he is Mr Wonderful and you are an unstable 'bad' mother. Well, he's shot himself in the foot there, hasn't he? His employer/colleagues all know what he is really like. Not sure how you can use it, but it's something to ponder. Someone who is a bully at work, most people would assume they would be a bully at home too (and he is).

As for this trip to his home country, to his even-worse father - really, don't go. I know you say you fear it will make things acrimonious, but it's acrimonious already. It is NEVER going to be amicable, because he is just not capable of that. Don't go, don't let him take the children. Give their passports to a friend for safekeeping. Someone you can trust to not give them to him.

Best wishes OP. Please, prioritise your safety.

Link to Women's Aid helpline numbers

Italiangreyhound · 30/11/2014 02:14

suchabloodymess so sorry you are facing his. Be strong and stay safe. Please do not worry about his feelings, he is not worrying about our feelings.

tribpot · 30/11/2014 07:41

OP I hope you managed to get some sleep. He intends to wear you down to the point where you'll say anything just to make him stop. So now you have war on a number of fronts.

  1. Tomorrow morning you make an appointment with a solicitor. Preferably ask around on here for a recommendation for a shit hot lawyer, there are too many threads where people have been let down by someone who doesn't understand abusive relationships.
  2. The publicity war. First you must be the one to notify your mum, and then I would do something which ordinarily would be OTT and put a simple notice on Facebook (if you use it) 'very sad to say that [ex] and I have decided to separate, hope you can understand why nothing more will be said here, both working to ensure our children get through this'. Get it out there before he has a chance to spin it as lunatic wife will come to her senses.
  3. Contemplate the police to report some of the assaults you've been through. I think you know the legal name for those episodes of coercive sex.
  4. Finally him. Ideally he would leave the house but is there anyone who could take him in for a week or so? The supposed Mr Wonderful must have loads of friends, right? He can spend the time job hunting.

Keep strong. It is your right to end your marriage. It will not destroy your children's lives. You have a right to live in peace in your own home.

Lweji · 30/11/2014 09:22

I agree with the previous pps, except in one thing.
I am worried about you in the same house as he is and the children.
I would go (I did go) with the children at the first opportunity and then worry about who gets to stay in the house.
I hope you are ok this morning.

WhereYouLeftIt · 30/11/2014 11:24

There is advice in this government leaflet on how to prevent your husband from taking your children abroad without your permission.

Stay safe, OP.

BrowersBlues · 30/11/2014 11:29

OP just to let you know lots of people are thinking about you today and sending you best wishes to you. You can leave this relationship and have a nicer future with your children.

Fluftytufty · 30/11/2014 11:42

Are you okay?

suchabloodymess · 30/11/2014 21:28

I'm ok. Whole day of how things can be better, we an build it again, this is the very worst thing for the children, how much he adores me, how can I doubt his love, how awful it will be for the children, how it will destroy their lives, that he loves me, that we haven't given it a go...

Despite the fact I know this is bollocks, I feel my resolve crumbling despite myself, start thinking about how much easier it would be not to do this, just to keep plodding on...

But I know it will get awful again...

I thought the hard bit would be telling him. Seems the hardest thing will be having to KEEP telling him... Over and over.

I'm trying to keep my nerve. Will try and see a solicitor (probably back to the one I saw last year, although she was expensive...) ASAP this week. I've hidden the children's passports in my work bag, I'll take them to my office and keep them there.

Thank you for the support. Sorry for not writing earlier. Not had a moment to think, let alone Mumsnet...

God. I don't know how much if this I can take. He's talking in this whimpering 'heartbroken' voice. It both upsets me and makes me want to hit him over the head with something to make it stop. (I'm not saying I would, just saying how it makes me feel - I know it sounds awful...)

It's just been hours. My head's scrambled.

X

OP posts:
dadwood · 30/11/2014 21:33

how much easier it would be not to do this, just to keep plodding on...

Don't soften now! Don't stay for another cycle!

tribpot · 30/11/2014 21:54

This is torture for you. You must try to get away from it for a few days.

Think how much he has punished you for the affair and how much more he will punish you if you go back on your word now and say you'll stay. What you've put him through, just after losing his job, etc, he will never let you forget this. You will be on the back foot forever.

And if you cave in now, and then inevitably change your mind again later, you will have an extra mountain to climb even to get him to take you seriously.

Push ahead and ask him to stop talking to you about it. Your mind is made up and the decision has been made.

Lweji · 30/11/2014 22:02

You are right that leaving is hard. Very hard. Probably harder than any one point during the marriage.
BUT... the hardness doesn't last long. Whereas if you stick at the marriage, it could be for decades. Decades of awfulness.
After you leave things do get better. You can relax, you have a safe heaven, you can be happy.
You can picture it as climbing a wall to get to the garden on the other side, or a mountain to find the rich valley on the other side.

You can do it. For you and for the children.

Because the children are always affected by an abusive marriage. If you go you can protect them from his behaviour and you show them it's not acceptable. You can eventually show them how good family life can be.

dadwood · 30/11/2014 22:17

I was prompted to re-read some of the previous thread because Lweji and others have reminded you about keeping safe physically. I also think that DV is a risk. I'm sorry I didn't add that into my comments yesterday.

Italiangreyhound · 01/12/2014 00:44

Sucha I am so sorry for you.

Can this infuriating behaviour galvanise you? I mean like when those people ring up and try and sell you stuff you do not need. What would work best at deflecting his annoying, whining words? Ignoring him, thinking your own thoughts, planning your escape in your head while pretending to listen? I don't know it is a good idea to argue back, because ultimately you do not need to convince him you are going - you need to convince you that you are going. So focus on making yourself strong and resolved.

I am sure it is tempting to want to hit him but be strong and stay away from any physical interaction, unless he is threatening to you and it is self defence, IMHO.

I have no idea where your husband is from or which country he wants to take the children to. I keep thinking of a film I saw years ago called 'Not without my daughter'. It is the story of an American lady called Betty Mahmoody, her husband was Iranian and took her and their daughter to Iran for a holiday and then would not let them leave. I am sure you have heard of it, there are interviews with the real Betty on line and a trailer on line of the film made with Sally Field. I have watched it a few times and it always makes me so very sad.

I would imagine there would be few places as scary as Iran was then but whatever country your husband's family are in, even a quite nice one if his father is even more controlling than him imagine how awful it would be to be stuck there with your children.

Please do not allow him to take the children out of the country if you have concerns of this, he may feel he has nothing left to lose.

But whatever he feels about his own situation, please concentrate on your own situation! You should not be stuck in a marriage where you are cajoled and coerced into sex, where there is not genuine love and respect, and you are forced to listen to his constant drivel, where he is so aggressive with you that total strangers call the police on him.

Thinking of you.

Italiangreyhound · 01/12/2014 00:52

Sacha can I also just say that it may help to mentally prepare your answers to his whining, not to say them out loud but to know them in your own head....

'...we an build it again...' - but you do not want to do this, you are only now saying your resolve is crumbling, only a bit I hope, because he is trying to wear you down! DO NOT let him win.

...this is the very worst thing for the children... - how can this be worse than living with a man who does not respect their mother, does not care for her and who manipulates her! Has he started doing this to the children, if not, you cannot be sure he will not do this

'... how much he adores me...' if he adored you why would behave this way, like a spoilt child!

'... how can I doubt his love...' how can you not doubt it!

'... that we haven't given it a go...' you have been together a long time, long enough to be manipulated by him and remember you opening post on this thread 'I think it's all going to kick off, and I'm not ready and I'm frightened.' that is not the language of love, is it.

I know you already know all this in your head, you need to tell your heart.

My friend stayed in a loveless, unhappy marriage for years, from the time her baby was born until he was well into school years. Her husband crushed her spirit until one day she just left and took her child. Now they have worked through things a bit and he sees his son and they are divorced and she had met someone new. She is like a different person, much more confident and self assured. She stayed with him years. He always made it clear she could go and leave their child. She must have taken a lot of courage to leave him, but she got to the point where she was walking on egg shells in her own house. She is a lovely friend and I totally respect her.

Anyway, thinking of you, stay strong. You can do it.

Italiangreyhound · 03/12/2014 23:42

How are things going?

GoatsDoRoam · 04/12/2014 10:12

such

They all say that they will file for custody.
They all paint the victim who finally left as the bitch who ditched them.
They never accept it when you say it's over, because it wasn't their idea.
They are all as obstructive as they can possibly be throughout the separation and divorce.
They all beg and plead and threaten and play nice and explode, in an attempt to manipulate you into staying.

And NONE OF THAT MATTERS. It's par for the course with abusers. What matters is getting you and your children out.

Do you have a place to go with the children?
Have you found a solicitor you can speak to?

Cuntycuntsville · 04/12/2014 19:03

I'd advise any man who has any inklings that his 'd'w is looking for divorce to come and look here and see the lengths that bitter women will go to fuck them over!

It's been a complete eye opener here and I'm not surprised why a lot of men don't want to get married! With their loving wives just waiting to screw them over! It's quite pathetic when you think about it.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 04/12/2014 19:10

That's good advice, Cunty... really it is. It's excellent. Because any man who would come to this board and not feel scornful at such drivel as you've just spouted, it not worthy of marriage or any kind of relationship with any woman.

I wish ALL men would take your advice, it would save the ladies from so much heartache as they'd run off screaming, leaving just the decent ones who have nothing to fear as they're er... decent. :)

For you, Cunty Thanks... will you be running for PM anytime soon?

Cuntycuntsville · 04/12/2014 19:14

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