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Grumpy, moody, miserable husband.

81 replies

BrainlessHaddock · 19/11/2014 20:33

I'm sorry this is long: I need to get it off my chest.

How on earth do I cope with a moody man? It's driving me nuts. He has such a narrow emotional repertoire: neutral or grumpy-cum-tired. That's it. No joy, no excitement, no happiness. Often, he does make an effort when he's around the children, but that's the only positive thing I can say. He's always been somewhat like this, but it's horrendous these days. His job is genuinely really difficult at the moment, but he won't let me be a source of comfort to him when he gets home. I actually dread him coming home because he's either unhappy already, or I'm waiting for the next mood, and I can't comfort him or cheer him up. I feel uncomfortable around him a lot of the time. The job thing is difficult - he is doing everything he realistically can to move on from his job, but it's genuinely hard and for now, he's stuck.

And although he contributes equally to the household/parenting tasks, he makes everything a chore. We could relax and have fun sometimes when sorting our (young) kids out and putting them to bed, but he describes it as a 'hamster-wheel' and sees it all as a gloom-inducing chore.

It's partly about his day-to-day moodiness, but it's also partly about his beliefs about what's acceptable regarding how you treat those close to you. Being tired means - in his world - that it's entirely acceptable to be cold, grumpy, and uncommunicative. I think he doesn't fully understand that we all get tired, but we don't all become unpleasant every time as a result. (I do all the overnight dealing with the children, to ensure that he doesn't get woken.) I think he genuinely doesn't understand how unpleasant he is to others. I recall being shocked at how he spoke to his Dad (whom he massively respects and cares about). His Dad is an enthusiastic, Tiggerish people-pleaser, but my husband used to speak to him as though he was dirt. I pulled him up on this and he's improved. Sometimes he makes an effort with me, but it never lasts.

I was brought up by two mildly depressed parents, and I remember vowing at an early age that I'd avoid taking out tiredness/unhappiness on my family. Obviously I have times when I'm not my best, but I rarely take it out on others and when I'm fed up, he can reach me and cheer me up. But he won't let anything I do or say make him happier.

I put up with a lot in this marriage. I put up with the fact that he doesn't really feel comfortable having sex, so we don't have sex. So that means that
I'll never again have sex. I put up with his secrecy (eg if he's on the phone, he will always leave he room and will not tolerate me being within earshot). I am forced to tolerate the fact that we're not having more children because he doesn't want them. But I really struggle living with someone who often makes me feel so uncomfortable.

To give balance, he certainly has good points. He contributes equal labour to the household. He is faithful. He has strong ethics. He can occasionally be lovely. He is very supportive regarding a time-sucking hobby that I have.

He doesn't want us to go to Relate, before anyone suggests that. I tried going on my own but it was useless. Yes, he may well be depressed, but he won't go to a GP. Anyway, he's been like this for years - he's more congenitally dysthymic than temporarily depressed.

If you've got is far, thank you for reading.

OP posts:
badbaldingballerina123 · 20/11/2014 15:53

I found your comments about the fact you put up with a lot in your marriage really sad.

Nicename · 20/11/2014 16:04

What do YOU want? Bearing in mind there is no magic wand.

Was he always like this or has there been a trigger?

You can only live like this for a time before it effects you and the kids.

DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 20/11/2014 17:33

I mentioned this thread to someone this afternoon who reminded me she was given an inspirational fridge magnet or poster (promptly regifted) by her MIL which said something like, Try and be a rainbow to someone else's cloud. Confused

Question is do you have the stamina to be a rainbow for the next ?? years or do you feel you want to escape while you can? I know people who once they hit middle age or become 'empty nesters' go through some sort of glum phase, their spouses despair. The bad news is your H is there already.

PamDooveOrangeJoof · 20/11/2014 17:50

I was pondering some things earlier about how short our time on this earth is.

I am very luckily, happily married (for now), but if my husband were to do something awful, cheat etc etc. I would have no qualms in leaving him no matter how tough it would be.

My life and that of my son, is too prescious to waste or sacrifice, for someone who doesn't deserve it.

You deserve to live your life with someone who treats you like a Friend. Who you can have a loving romantic and sex life with.

Your children shouldn't have to grow up in a constant atmosphere. What are they learning about relationships?

Put some worth on you own life. YOU ARE WORTH FAR MORE.

This life is short so live it.

Oh and as Cog has spotted in her infinite wisdom - it looks likely he has detached from family life because he is having an affair.

Don't flog a dead horse for years and waste you life on someone that will up and leave you anyway.

BrainlessHaddock · 20/11/2014 20:06

A brief thank you to everyone who has written replies on this thread. I appreciate your kindness and thoughtful responses. For better or worse, my husband found this thread last night (completely innocently - we do sometimes borrow each other's I-pads). So I don't really feel I can comment any further, because it will be like communicating with my husband via Mumsnet, which would be weird, even for us.

But thank you.

OP posts:
googoodolly · 20/11/2014 20:35
Hmm
Arlagirl · 20/11/2014 20:38

Blimey. Bet that was an interesting conversation .

H12354 · 11/06/2015 12:57

I am the same as your husband. I went on the Internet to see if I had a mental health problem and saw your post.
I'm a 28 year old male. I seem to suffer from the same problems as your husband. I'm single and live on my own, which is probably just as well, but I don't treat my family very well ie mum sister and dad.
Firstly, I'm a very loving guy, I'm funny, caring. Loyal and I have a good heart. I love animals and I even cry at sad films!
But unfortunately I have a bad side to me. I can get tired. And when I get tired, I get moody, grumpy, nasty, vicious. I don't know why I get like it, I just do. And no one wants to be in my path when I get like that.
I notice you said your husband goes off sex. This also effect me. I can't relax enough or feel confident enough to have sex.
I'm posting this comment to try to help you understand your husband as every other post you have had are on the side of your perspective and not of your husbands.
I've got nothing to gain from posting this, apart from I sympathise with your situation.
Firstly, don't give up on him. You married him for a reason, and he must have good things about him which you value.
Secondly, a man normally won't admit to wanting sympathy. He likes to think of himself as tough, not needing an attention, dealing with things himself (hence why your husband won't go to the doctors) I'm the same. I'm a hard nut who doesn't need anyone or anything. But wrong. Just because we don't admit to this, doesn't mean we don't need it. In fact, sympathy (even when not deserved) is what a man really needs. A female's qualities of understanding, mildness, showing concern and tenderness is a massive positive to a man, who may struggle themselves to show these qualities. It can really help him. Even if he doesn't deserve it because of the way he acts.
For example: Man comes home from work. Woman asks how was your day dear? Man replies good up until now I've noticed u haven't hoovered. Woman replies I'm sorry? Man replies you heard.
Now the man doesn't deserve any sympathy at all here and probably deserves a smack in the mouth! However, read on:
Woman replies, okay hunny sit down. Man says I don't wanna bloody sit down. Woman says again, just sit down for 2 minutes. Man now sits down. Are you okay? Woman asks. Yeah just tired man replies. Woman says I've got three words for you.....take away tonight?
Man smiles. Yeah alright. I'm sorry for being moody. That's okay hunny. No it's not okay man replies. I sorry. They both hug.
See how that can stop things from becoming a bigger problem.
It's hard to be mild and kind to someone who is bang out of order, but by being frustrated and provocative or angry yourself won't help.
Thirdly, your husband does have a slight mental illness. I've had to admit recently that I do too. Something effects us and we don't quite know how or why. Sometimes it's a cry out for attention although we at first won't admit it and even push those we love further away when we really want a females attention and love. Just a ridiculous way of getting it I know.
If you want to talk about it more, then feel free to get in touch. I hope you can work it out together and learn to not get rid of his problems, but learn to adapt and deal with them.

maras2 · 11/06/2015 13:22

I got very excited seeing a post from Cog as she's been away for a while,then I noticed that this is a ZOMBIE THREAD !

FelicityGubbins · 11/06/2015 16:06

H12345 what a bullshitting post that is! If my DH came home and bit my head off because I hadn't hovered he would get the vacuum rammed up his arse, it's not up to anyone to cajole politeness and basic decency with bribes of a takeaway, it's up to the individual to control their own behaviour.
Willpower isn't just there for giving up smoking or losing weight...

WhatALoadOfOldBollocks · 11/06/2015 17:36

"I got very excited seeing a post from Cog as she's been away for a while,then I noticed that this is a ZOMBIE THREAD!"

Me too Maras! I went from oooooh Cog's back Smile to oh Hmm

maras2 · 11/06/2015 18:07

I miss her Sad

stabbypokey · 11/06/2015 22:54

I miss her too.

ChristinaTweet · 11/06/2015 23:43

where did she go?

pictish · 11/06/2015 23:56

H12354 - that sounds lovely, and I'm sure a mollifying doormat who has endless patience for sucking up rudeness, disrespect and a lack of control will be just around the corner for you.

But unfortunately I have a bad side to me. I can get tired. And when I get tired, I get moody, grumpy, nasty, vicious. I don't know why I get like it, I just do. And no one wants to be in my path when I get like that.

Yup...what a fun time she's going to have soothing your brow.

Hmm
Walkacrossthesand · 12/06/2015 00:09

No-one knows where cog went... :-(

pictish · 12/06/2015 00:11

It's hard to be mild and kind to someone who is bang out of order, but by being frustrated and provocative or angry yourself won't help.

I like this part. This is the bit where (I'll say 'you' for the sake of argument) you are not to be expected to control your temper or behaviour, coming home and sniping about the housework because hey, you can't help it, you're in a bad fucking mood, right?
Whereas she should maintain her composure and not make things worse by being upset by you or god forbid, expressing her annoyance!

That seems fair. Sage advice...so glad you posted.

pictish · 12/06/2015 00:23

I hope you can work it out together and learn to not get rid of his problems, but learn to adapt and deal with them.

That's right ladies...don't expect that moody, grumpy, nasty, vicious arsehole of a man to change his ways...adapt and deal with it.
You'll get your 'female concern and mildness' medal in heaven!

MrsChanningTatum · 12/06/2015 04:02

I miss Cog too :-(
I followed her on Twitter as well, but she's disappeared off there too, about the same time as she left Mumsnet.
I'm thinking she is busy and happy in her life, and does not have time for the Internet these days.
She always had a fresh approach, and appeared to be very wise.

Badmummy2000 · 31/08/2018 11:40

Im in situation im poorly hidden disablity basically i get im hard to live with my partners my carer. But hes mood swings unpredictably im all over the place one mjn ok nxt hes in mood. Feel lonely n stuck

hellsbellsmelons · 31/08/2018 14:55

@Badmummy2000
This is a thread from 2014.
Please start your own thread to get the support you need with this!

TorCanada · 19/12/2018 19:53

Reading this post has made me feel sick... it’s far too close to home (aside from my parents marriage which for the most part was good). They loved and respected each other. I have been with the same man for 20 years. For most of that we have had zero sex life, and when we did it was pretty dreadful since he is very selfish in that dept and now as a dad to a young boy he’s always tired, mostly cranky and stressed (work plus just life in general). He’s always had these issues but now it’s worse and I don’t want our son thinking this behaviour and relationship is the norm. We have a ton of mutual friends, for the most part a good life, but when it’s just the two of us I’m finding it exhausting. We often fight, he will frequently lose it on me in front of our little boy which I have told I will not tolerate any longer (yelling nothing physical). he’s moody and a whiner and just don’t think I even like him anymore. Unfortunately I lost my job a few months ago and feel pretty stuck. My husband can be supportive, loving, is a dedicated family man, and we used to have fun together. He is seeing a therapist but I know he’s not being honest about his moodiness and the impact it has on our family. Sorry to barge into this conversation with my own issues ..... I needed to get this off my chest. I have a few close friends not in our circle who I speak to about this and they all think it’s ridiculous I have endured this for so long. I almost had an affair four years ago, right before I got pregnant with our son and I was about to leave. Thankfully I didn’t then or we wouldn’t have our little guy who is the light Of my life. I don’t know what to do. I think a trial separation after the holidays is necessary. My mom lives an hour from here and moves south in Jan for four months. Maybe being there a few nights a week with our son will help. This thread really helped me get a grip on reality and that life is short why am I giving him the power to ruin my life and risk ruining future relationships for our child ?! I write this with knots in my stomach and uncertainty over the future and whether or not I have the courage to do what I know needs to be done.

busybarbara · 19/12/2018 20:07

There is no sex so live as flat sharers and make your own life.

This is an annoying cliche around MN. No sex life does not additionally make a relationship the same as a regular friendship!

YoungLennyGodber · 19/12/2018 20:15

Zombie thread!!

PlumbingQuandry · 19/12/2018 20:30

I never understand how these threads resurface... Hmm