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DP and his female friend

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msevs · 11/11/2014 14:14

Sorry, this is long! DP used to work with this friend a couple of years ago but not closely. He is unhappy at work and wants to go back to his old job, and this is being supported by his friend, who is very complimentary about his work.

Around three months ago, he told me that he was meeting this friend for lunch the next day and had taken the afternoon off as he would only have half an hour otherwise. He asked if I minded, told me I could trust him as he only has eyes for me, and that he wouldn't go if I didn't want him to. I was a bit taken aback as we have been together for years and although he has always been friendly with a few female colleagues, he has never met any of them one to one outside of work before. He gave me the impression it was only about work as he desperately wants to leave his job and she could help him with that, so I told him I was fine with it, even though I wasn't best pleased as I was home on mat leave at the time and would have preferred it if he had taken the afternoon off to take me to lunch. I commented on that but he didn't say anything.

After coming home that evening, DP admitted that the friend didn't have the influence he had hoped as she was being 'pushed out' in the workplace herself, so I assumed they didn't really need to meet to discuss work again. He didn't tell me much else about the lunch, unusual for him. Since then, his friend has been off work due to stress, both at work and at home. I know she is married but with no children. DP told me he found out because they had meant to meet up for lunch that week and she cancelled last minute. This lunch was news to me, he hadn't mentioned it before.

I know DP's phone password, so I checked his texts and noticed that DP asked her if she had wanted to meet up for a chat since she was feeling down. He also texted her on the day she had mentioned an appointment with the GP, asking how it went, and to contact him if she wanted to talk. This is odd for DP as he barely remembers anything, he certainly doesn't remember my appointments! The time of his texts to her caught my eye as well, 9pm on a Friday night, I knew I was at my sister's house at the time.

They had also made plans to meet for lunch when she was on annual leave recently but it didn't happen for some reason. He has sent her photos of the kids, and she asks him about them, but never about me and he doesn't mention me to her in his texts either. I have met her through work a couple of times, and she asked after DP, but we didn't really get the chance to talk.

Anyway, last week he mentioned to me that the friend had contacted him that day, told me that she was feeling better and what she had been up to. I had a feeling he wasn't telling me everything, and when I checked his phone, I noticed that they have made plans to meet later this month.

Why would he tell me that she contacted him and what she said, but left that part out? Should I be worried or am I being paranoid? Talk some sense into me!

OP posts:
badbaldingballerina123 · 27/11/2014 02:10

I wouldn't start following him. They're not going to have sex in the cafe. I think it's simple , if you continue with your lying and inappropriate friendship I'm going to end the marriage. His reaction will tell you everything.

If he starts with crys off your jealous ! Your paranoid , I won't be told what to do ect I would inform her husband that he has is willing to leave his marriage to peruse this friendship. It wouldn't be a bad thing if the h confronted him. Men don't like types like your h creeping round their wives .

It's highly likely her martial problems are caused by this inappropriate friendship with your h. The only way to solve this is to blow it up otherwise it will get worse and worse.

JohnFarleysRuskin · 27/11/2014 07:29

Hope you are ok op, he is behaving really inappropriately.

tribpot · 27/11/2014 08:05

I agree, why don't you announce you're going to join him for coffee? A nice trip out for the two of you with the baby. I suspect the excuse will be that the friend is very down and needs a shoulder to cry on.

The thing's been fishy ever since he told you he only had eyes for you - why would it be necessary to reassure of that before a simple meeting between friends/colleagues?

I work in a very male-dominated industry so I spend a lot of time lunching with guys, having coffee with guys, my best friend is a guy. But there is no secrecy about any of it - I have nothing to hide and DH is welcome to join me at any time, although would be thoroughly bored by the work chit chat.

If you confront him he will turn this on you, can you come up with a plausible reason why you've seen the messages?

msevs · 27/11/2014 09:28

Well, this morning he told me that he's not going to work today, he was complaining of a head cold yesterday but I didn't think it was too bad, he sounds ok today as well. He has been asking this morning what DD and I would like for Christmas. Maybe he is feeling guilty and couldn't go through with it...hopefully if he is off work we can have a chance to talk, although I am worried about having to admit to him that I've been looking at his messages.

OP posts:
JohnFarleysRuskin · 27/11/2014 09:38

You could go the other way first: "I'm so glad you've been honest with me about the coffee and this woman, honesty is so important isn't it darling? I couldn't forgive you if you lied about her. I know a man who got in too deep and you know..."

And see how he reacts.

ruddygreattiger · 27/11/2014 10:09

If he suddenly says he needs to go and run some errands later will you be offering to join him?

Holdthepage · 27/11/2014 10:17

The problem you have here msevs is that if you confront him he will make it all about you reading his messages, how dare you invade his privacy like that etc. I have seen it many times on here when the guilty party gets caught out.

coppertop · 27/11/2014 10:31

Christmas shopping is his perfect excuse to go out without you and ds. After all, you wouldn't want to spoil the surprise etc etc.

My prediction is that he'll feel much better later but it's not worth him going back to work for just one day so he might as well book it as a day off or call in sick again...

Fudgalisious · 27/11/2014 10:39

I would sit him down and tell him straight that his behaviour around how he told you about the first meeting, the fact he had taken time off work and the fact he said what he did made me feel uncomfortable. I would then go on to say that you didn't understand why he has taken the day off work today as he doesn't seem to be 'that' ill and you wondered if it was anything to do with meeting her for lunch-such as he doesn't want to or whatever. Finish it by telling him that being his wife means a lot to you and that building your family is the important to you but that trust is the basis for all the foundations in the family and at the minute your feeling uneasy so you would like to give him the opportunity to speak to you about his friendship with this woman, what he said and to help you with your insecurities about the situation.

The ball is then in his court. When he lies to you again (which I'm fairly sure he will) you then need to be frank and say 'your lying and the reason I know your lying is because I looked at your phone. And before you try and sidestep the issue of you lying to me, I hold my hands up and admit I was wrong to check your phone, it felt wrong doing it and I did it to stop my insecurity as I thought I was wrong to feel the way I did-unfortunately it confirmed my insecurity was right and that you have blurred the boundaries of this friendship the second you choose to lie to me.'

You was wrong to check his phone but then which is the greatest of the two evils? if he hadn't lf lied to you in the first place you wouldn't have felt there was something amiss.

coppertop · 27/11/2014 10:42

Sorry. Just realised that he's meeting her today and not tomorrow.

JohnFarleysRuskin · 27/11/2014 10:48

I would be loathe to give up access to his phone/texts at this stage.
I guess the thing to do is wait to see if he is anxious to go out on his own around lunchtime today.

If he is...you know your answer.

FelicityGubbins · 27/11/2014 10:55

If he does suddenly become anxious to go out today, then you either have to confront him or you might as well tie a bow on his sick for her, hopefully he has come to his senses but be psyched for the fact that he hasn't..

RoastitBubblyJocks · 27/11/2014 10:57

Just make sure he's not taken today off to spend even more time with her OP.

Joysmum · 27/11/2014 11:23

I too can't help but wonder if he'll suddenly feel the need to go out for something. Hope I'm wrong but either way, things can't continue as they are. Either you confront and talk it through or this continues to poison your marriage.

Patonthehead · 27/11/2014 12:00

IMO, it is easy to tie yourself up agonising about checking his phone, wondering is it ok to check his phone, and debating in your head if it's something innocuous or not. Thing is - it upsets you. Having a secret friend and lying by omission just isn't on - you don't like it. And you don't have to like it. But you need to be clear that it is something you don't like, and to tell him it upsets you and makes you uneasy. Wait for him to speak, but tbh even if he explains how innocent it all is, you're entirely allowed to still express your discomfort with the situation, to ask him to consider your feelings, and to start acting in a way that is more appropriate for the relationship YOU have (other people's rules need not apply.)

nicenewdusters · 27/11/2014 13:25

Have you had "the talk" or has he left the house to go "shopping" op ? Or neither !

AmserGwin · 27/11/2014 16:04

You definitely need to confront him, and tell him that you know he's lying

googoodolly · 27/11/2014 16:59

Did you manage to talk, OP? What happened?

nrv0us · 28/11/2014 14:53

How did yesterday go, in the end?

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