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Can I have some objective opinions on this? History of and suspected possible current cheating.

68 replies

PollyNC · 08/11/2014 16:03

I'm going to try to be as objective as possible with this because I don't want to cloud this by saying who I am in the scenario, just want some detached opinions, hope that's okay. I am a regular but namechanged (penis beaker, gluezilla, pombears etc).

'Rick' and 'Karen' have been married for 12 years. They have two DD's, ages 9 and 7. They live in a small town in the midlands and work in connected roles (for the same big company but in different departments). They are both in their early to mid 40s.

Six years into the marriage, Rick nearly cheated on Karen. He 'crossed the line' with another colleague 'Laura' (in another department to both of them) but the contact between them was nipped in the bud before it became an affair. There was a kiss and some inappropriate messaging etc but Laura's DP found out about it and confronted Rick and it ended. Karen found out and for a while there was some doubt as to whether the marriage would survive, but it did.

There years after that, Karen suspected again that Rick was cheating, this time with another colleague, Melissa. Karen confronted Melissa and it turned out she was wrong, there was nothing going on. The suspicion was borne out of Melissa being out of the office at the same time as Rick and neither of them being contactable on their mobiles. Karen accepted she was wrong and maybe hadn't accepted Rick had changed from three years before but they moved on. Nothing changed between them and it was all just swept under the carpet.

In the years since then, Karen hasn't had any reason to suspect Rick of cheating and the marriage has been good. She has been what some people may describe as 'controlling' of Rick, in restricting who he sees socially/where he goes without her, but this has got less so to some degree over time.

Two weeks ago, Rick went AWOL for the day again. As far as Karen was aware, he was at work but none of his work colleagues knew where he was and hadn't heard from him. Rick later told Karen he was ill so stayed home for the day, but no one at work was aware of this. Karen suspected (and still suspects) that there is more to this but has no reason (other than history) to account for this so hasn't accused Rick directly.

Perhaps pertinent, is the fact that Rick is by nature quite flirty and so could be accused of being overly friendly when there's nothing going in. Also, Karen has very low self esteem and is deeply unhappy with her body, with her weight creeping up post DD's being born. Rick has never said anything to make Karen think he doesn't find her attractive, but this is a view she struggles with.

Do you think Karen is right to suspect Rick, or should he be given the benefit of the doubt? Since he hasn't cheated since the Louise incident six years ago should Karen accept this was a 'blip' and try to move past it, or continue looking for clues Rick will do it again (do leopards ever change their spots?)?

Any other comments or opinions welcome, and thank you for them in advance.

OP posts:
PollyNC · 08/11/2014 16:49

BuzzardBird - that is a good summation, save for him not being back at work the next day because this happened on a Friday, but aside from that you are correct.

LonnyVonny - I suspect you are also correct. Rick's direct colleagues field a lot of calls from Karen and there have been comments about 'poor Karen' 'stupid Rick' 'controlling Karen' etc. The general consensus seems to be that Rick was an arse but they are embarrassed for Karen sadly. Your whole post was absolutely bang on.

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InfinitySeven · 08/11/2014 16:50

Do you have any reason to doubt that he was home that day? Did it seem like he'd been home... Was there things he'd been eating/drinking from, was he in bed, did he seem ill?

Or is the suspicion entirely based on past cheating?

magoria · 08/11/2014 16:52

It would be a disciplinary at my work if you just don't bother to turn up or call in.

Wouldn't someone have called him during the day? Or spoken to Karen to ask where he was and she call him?

RubyGoat · 08/11/2014 16:53

If Rick wants Karen to believe he is trustworthy, he needs to start acting like it. Currently, he isn't.

dadwood · 08/11/2014 16:53

If they are to have any chance of staying together, Rick has to be certain himself that he has changed his behaviour. He need to explain to Karen why and how he has changed to prevent further affairs. It needs to be true and Karen needs to be convinced. He also needs to apologise profusely.
It might work. No other way will work IMO.

NoelleHawthorne · 08/11/2014 16:55

That is the clearest op I have ever ever read

RandomFriend · 08/11/2014 16:55

I think you are Rick, OP and thought so since the first post.

You need this book

Cat2014 · 08/11/2014 16:56

I have been the Karen in a similar scenario. Rick had to change and be completely transparent to prove that he had changed. The trust gradually came back but Rick had to put up with a lot of quizzing and mistrust - and rightly so imo. He needed to earn it back and both partners needed to be properly invested in making it work, or it wouldn't have stood a chance. Fortunately all is happy now but it took years.

BuzzardBird · 08/11/2014 16:58

Sorry, Polly, I must have missed that bit about it being a Friday. When my DH is ill I am the first person he tells. It is weird he didn't contact his partner.

sillymillyb · 08/11/2014 17:03

I also think you are rick. I think you were hoping we would all pile in and say how badly Karen was acting, so you could present it to her as "evidence" I think it's highly manipulative and Karen should run for the hills. If I am wrong, and you are not rick, I still think Karen should leave. I think rick is behaving in a massively disrespectful way, and she deserves better than this relationship. I think rick needs to grow up.

NotDavidTennant · 08/11/2014 17:06

How can one spouse not know that the other spouse is sick? Do they not speak to each other in the morning?

LizzieMint · 08/11/2014 17:08

From what you say, the whole nearly-affair hasn't been dealt with. All the feelings around that are still there 'swept under the carpet'. As Rick was prepared to cheat on his wife when, I presume, she was knackered and busy looking after two small children (when they were 1 and 3), he'd have to do a hell of a lot to make up for that to me. It doesn't seem like any of that has gone on, hence Karens feelings of mistrust whenever anything slightly out of the ordinary happens. That's a hell of a way to live.
I am not in the least bit surprised that Karen doesn't believe Rick about his illness, it sounds more than a little far fetched. When and under what circumstances did rick tell Karen about the illness? Was he in bed when she got back from work? Did he tell her straight away or only when she questioned where he'd been?

Viviennemary · 08/11/2014 17:13

But Rick hasn't actually been unfaithful yet. But it sounds like he's always on the look out for a chance. Karen should leave him if she finds this unacceptable behaviour.

TheVioletTinsel · 08/11/2014 17:24

Whoeever the op is, Karen sounds utterly miserable in this relationship

AuntieStella · 08/11/2014 17:34

The shadow of an affair is large and lasting.

Or, to swop metaphors, there is scar tissue over the wound. It might be strong enough to hold indefinitely. But it might itch from time to time.

When a scar itches, it needs attention. Rick needs to live totally transparently, account for his movements when required and never, ever, just vanish. Only that way will Karen's need to check his movements subside. They both need to work on communication between them, to resolve this issue and to stop it happening again.

They both need to keep it out of the workplace (if Rick is really considering more adultery, I wish he'd have the basic common sense and tact to keep it off his own doorstep. And goodness only knows who would think it's OK to get into dodgy ground with a married colleage whose wife works in the same organisation).

TinyMonkey · 08/11/2014 17:55

So six years after 'crossing the line' (which is unhelpfully vague - could have just been a snog whilst pissed at the Christmas party) and not actually having an affair, 'Rick' is still being viewed with utmost suspicion? If I were him I'd feel pretty miserable, if I were Karen I'd be pretty miserable.

It's no way to live. I feel sorry for the kids and suspect both 'Rick' and 'Karen' would be happier apart unless they are willing to have a proper honest talk or relationship counselling. People do have actual affairs and their marriages do survive, but only if they both want it to.

Quitelikely · 08/11/2014 18:46

I don't think rick has done anything wrong. Accusing somebody of things due them being uncontactable for the day when you know it is common isn't fair IMO. Neither is it because they take the day off work. I think that's a communication issue.

Yes his EA was wrong but IMO six years is too long to be punished for it.

Look at it this way, if he wants to cheat he will and he will find a way to do it whether your watching 24/7 or not.

I think you are torturing yourself over it all tbh. Let. It. Go. Or go.............

Quitelikely · 08/11/2014 18:47

And please don't stay just for the kids. That never ends well!

FrauHelgaMissMarpleandaChuckle · 08/11/2014 18:51

How on earth can Karen be arsed? It all sounds too hard work for me and I wouldn't want to live that way.

inlectorecumbit · 08/11/2014 19:48

Rick is an arse.
Karen deserves better.

Safmellow · 08/11/2014 19:57

I think both Rick and Karen sound miserable and would be better off apart. There doesn't seem to be any connection or any trust, and nothing has changed since the early incident even though it was years ago. I am single now but the best part for me about being a couple was always having someone on your side. That doesn't seem to be the case in this relationship.

SolomanDaisy · 08/11/2014 19:59

So Rick, were you actually sick?

Clarabumps · 08/11/2014 20:03

I think Rick's a prick and should be reassuring Karen more than he is. Not disappearing for days(sick or not)

Itsfab · 08/11/2014 20:08

I think you are making this thread more dramatic than it needs to be.

Just because someone has stayed faithful for a few years doesn't mean that tomorrow they won't cheat.

Seems like no one is happy in this scenario. You are a fool to waste your one and only life living it in a state of unhappiness and distrust. If you are the woman.

If you are the man, stop being a dick and either reassure your wife or fuck off and be single so you can shag whoever you want, sick or not.

QueenQueenie · 08/11/2014 20:10

I think you are Rick. Just the way you've worded your op would make me want to leave you. Poor Karen.
PS. Did you choose 'Rick' as rhyming slang?

If I am wrong then it's still time to leave Karen.... if living with Rick has messed with your mind so that you end up posting an op worded like this you need to get out....