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Does my DH have mental issues?

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OinkOinkOink · 06/11/2014 18:23

If you have seen me posting already re: splitting up, please temporarily ignore / put to the back of your mind... We are going through Relate at the mo and I have agreed to TRY to save our marriage... The purpose of this post is to try to understand what has gone wrong and why. Is it worth staying and trying to sort him out. He says he feels 'not right in the head'. It's a last ditch attempt. Your opinions on whether or not you think my DH may have actual proper mental issues would be a real help. Here goes...

Before my DH and I met his family were quite concerned about him. Apparently he was very intense, painfully shy, self-obsessed, a 'troubled soul' and had great difficulty keeping girlfriends. My SIL recently pretty much said that last sentence word for word... He was 29 and I was 21 when we first got together. His family breathed a huge sigh of relief as apparently I 'fixed' him. In retrospect I was too young and should have read the signs and run a mile... But instead I blindly fell in love.

Fast forward... I am now 43, with two DCs and have been really struggling for the past six years. Aside from being grumpy and odd he has been having an in/off affair with the same woman. They are nauseatingly obsessed with each other and behave like love sick teenagers. She massages his ego and flatters him in a way in which cannot / will not (I'm too angry and ground down). Most of their activity is on social media / emails / texts.

Anyway... I am cannot understand his behaviour. Here is a list:

He frequently uploads selfies to several FB pages. He has these pages for his music, art, frisbee throwing, old records and then his actual personal FB page. These selfies are 'posed' often either shirtless or with buttons undone, on the beach in shorts etc. NB: he does have a good physique. He makes an effort to stay in trim and does weights at home (in front of the mirror).

He used to write a journal every day, prior to meeting me. When we moved from his flat into our first home together I found a whole box of journals. He had documented his life and relationships in great detail from age 16 to 29. He willingly destroyed them all. But to be honest it's always niggled me. What I saw of them was a bit odd and definitely obsessive... As far as I know he's never kept a journal since then. But he does write songs and poems instead.

He has a reasonably well paid but ordinary job, but is convinced he 'should' have been a musician or artist (both are hobbies). He gets all bitter and twisted about this frequently. If he comes across anyone locally making a living in either capacity and he thinks they are not as good as himself he gets very ranty and angry. We cannot, for example, just go out to an average pub gig because it makes him cross. Ditto local art exhibitions.

He has great difficulty mixing socially. His worst nightmare would be going to a party or large family event. He tends to hide in a corner and just talk to the people he knows.

He has no close male friends and rarely goes out to the pub or similar with anyone other than ex colleagues occasionally.

His own brother says he finds it very difficult to communicate with him and has struggled to stay in touch with him. I have a good relationship with my BIL and SIL - they would agree with what I have said above.

Soooo - what do you think?

TIA

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OinkOinkOink · 06/11/2014 20:48

Thanks for all your replies. Some very useful comments. I'm frankly completely confused about what is going on with him and just trying to see what can be done (if anything). I owe it to my children to have one last try. Meanwhile I am busy sorting out the practicalities & finances re: splitting up, but unsure if that is what will actually happen. But knowledge is power n all that. If we do split then I still need to know don't I?

I am tolerating him being in the house with me. Just. He really doesn't want to go / leave and has threatened suicide on several occasions.

To answer some queries:

The affair is supposed to have ended several weeks ago. But I have been told this before. So I don't believe it. He has never engaged with Relate before and realises that our marriage is hanging by a thread and that I am holding the scissors. He appears desperate to sort things out. He is also seeing a therapist separately, who so far just seems to be listening and drawing info out. No revelations yet.

I am investigating his mental state really just so that I can consider my options. Whether or not it's something that can be treated. If I can be arsed to stay with him and help... Or not. He may well be using it as an excuse. He has said that he has only contacted OW when feeling weak/low/isolated/stressed but cannot explain why he could not talk to me instead of running to her.

I didn't make him destroy his journals. I found the box when packing to move and just asked him what was in the box. We were chucking stuff out generally. He seemed embarrassed and immediately started ripping them up and binning them with no prompting from me. But I did see enough to realise that they were in a LOT of detail about his previous girlfriends. Kind of like the stuff you write as a teenager about relationships and sexual exploits.

Re OW 'pesky relative' - I am very ground down by this. It has been going on for six years. I have cried and screamed and thrown crockery and finally reached the point where whatever I do makes no difference. She just fecking keeps coming back again. I asked him outright if he wanted to go and live with her and he recoiled, horrified, and said No! Yes it may be an odd way of me to speak about her. It would actually be a massive relief if he went off with her.

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whitsernam · 06/11/2014 20:52

I think you have actually answered the issue of what you need here: just read your very last sentence....

OinkOinkOink · 06/11/2014 20:57

But he WON'T GO!

There is another thread covering the whole issue re: finances of splitting up. I'm kind of stuck with him until I can make some headway. Been to CAB and seeing solicitor soon.

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whitsernam · 06/11/2014 20:59

There are actually legal ways of making him go, and if worse comes to worst, you can move yourself and the DCs with you. It's all actually possible. You may have to sell the house, or some such, but it's possible.

OinkOinkOink · 06/11/2014 21:03

Soooo: Relate... Had no idea they were not 'rated'. Thanks for throwing that in the mix. I went to them because I don't want any doubt further down the line that I TRIED. Again... that's why I posted this thread - just last ditch attempts.

I don't absolutely hate him. Actually feel quite sorry for him and aware that if we do split I want it to be as amicable as possible. If I am dealing with a narcissist / bipolar forever more it would be useful to know.

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OinkOinkOink · 06/11/2014 21:07

Whitsernam - it's complicated and covered in another thread. Yes it's possible, but won't be happening any time soon. I am resigned to staying put until Jan/Feb. Stuff to sort out financially.

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AnyFucker · 06/11/2014 21:07

You can't diagnose him and shouldn't even try

Examine closely how his behaviour is affecting you, and take action appropriately

AnyFucker · 06/11/2014 21:08

And yes, it is a very big risk that Relate counselling will turn this into a "relationship" issue (thus apportioning you some of the blame) rather than concluding that he massively taking the piss and the fault is all his

OinkOinkOink · 06/11/2014 21:13

Funnily enough our 'homework' this week is to think of our own learned behaviours and why we haven't been able to talk to each other when stressed / upset. Hmmmmmm

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AnyFucker · 06/11/2014 21:13

Fancy that...

ValerieTheVodkaFairy · 06/11/2014 21:19

Have you posted before, OP? Is the OW French, and quite a bit younger, by any chance?

He sounds like he hasn't advanced past his teenage years, to be honest. Bit of a manchild.

Anyway, as others have said, he's having an affair- get rid. MH or not, he wants to shag another woman

OinkOinkOink · 06/11/2014 21:22

Nope OW not french.
She's actually several years older than him - mid 50s - and not particularly attractive. It would make more sense if she was 24 and fit.

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AnyFucker · 06/11/2014 21:25

No, it wouldn't

Adulterers often "trade down". It's about how a desperate other reflects their self-love and how it makes them feel.

OinkOinkOink · 06/11/2014 21:27

And yes - very much still a teenager, despite being 50.

I'm not holding out much hope. But coping with the current situation. If someone gave me £25,000 tomorrow you would not see me for dust... But for various boring practical reasons I can't just up and leave. I will come out of it far better financially and stress my children out far less if I can just hang in here a little while longer.

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pictish · 06/11/2014 21:28

OP, your husband is a waste of your energy and emotion.
He has been having an affair for six years, but he refuses to leave and threatens suicide when you try to initiate a split!!

Do you see how he has got you backed into a corner? He is pretty much forcing you to live with the pain and humiliation of his long term, ongoing infidelity by emotionally blackmailing you into staying! And you feel sorry for him!
He has done a job on you my friend. So much so that you think you want to save it.
You can't I'm afraid. You can seek out excuses and reasons till the cows come home, but the cheating, self promoting, lying, manipulative tossbag is who he is and who he'll remain.

I'm sorry...you don't deserve it. xx

OinkOinkOink · 06/11/2014 21:30

AnyFucker - trade down - interesting.... Hard to mention without feeling cruel and bitchy but: she was also hideously disfigured in an accident as a child.

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Dragonfly71 · 06/11/2014 21:30

Would you feel more able to cope if his behaviour was due to mh issues? I think other posters are probably right, it doesn't really sound as though he has a mh problem, just very unattractive personality traits, for whatever reason. He does sound an absolute nightmare to be with and the relationship is causing you alot of pain. Maybe you could try putting yourself first and asserting your needs within the relate process. In other words stating what he needs to change for you to be willing to stay with him. See how willing he is to make those changes. From your post it all seems to be about him. This is classic for a narcissist type.
Really feel for you, and hope you can also get some separate counselling just for you at some stage.

OinkOinkOink · 06/11/2014 21:31

Pictish - I know...
Hanging in here... Plotting. Planning. Saving money for my future.
X

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pictish · 06/11/2014 21:34

Good good...I am relieved that you are thinking that way.
No one deserves what you're getting with this guy. Unbelievable really. xx

MistressDeeCee · 06/11/2014 21:35

He's an odd-bod narcissist. There are loads about. How exactly does that relate to mental health issues? He's having an affair, as narcissists always do. They need admiration and a massive ego stroke like they need oxygen. They never like the woman they're living with - hence, the cruelty of having a brazen affair. Its all designed to tear you down, and you are sitting there analysing and wondering and fathoming and reasoning and wondering in the face of a massive disrespect to you. If that doesn't tell you what his so called "issue" is then I don't know what will... I bet his odd-bod ways don't get in the way of his wonderful love affair at all. Personally Id have kicked his arse out of the door so he can go to his lady. At which point she won't be interesting to him for much longer, he will just move on to another conquest...all part of the fun. The one thing he won't do, is ever have love or respect for you. You're better off without this sap to life energy who can offer you no future peace love and comfort but still, you know best

OinkOinkOink · 06/11/2014 21:35

Dragonfly - have had counselling myself over this TWICE. Conclusion both times = not my fault! I honestly used to think it was.

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Dragonfly71 · 06/11/2014 21:36

Sorry I somehow missed the more recent post op so ignore the bits you already answered! Sounds like relate is last ditch attempt and you are gathering the strength to be free. I really hope so, you deserve so much better.

Dragonfly71 · 06/11/2014 21:38

Definitely NOT your fault then!!! Takes a while to sink in doesn't it?
Hope you believe it Flowers

LonnyVonnyWilsonFrickett · 06/11/2014 21:38

I'm a failed actress and it makes me very bitter and a bit twisted too.

I don't try to fuck my way out of it though. I accept this isn't a very pleasant part of my personality, I don't let my friends indulge me when I get all drunk and 'it shoulda been meeeeeee!' And I try and check my behaviour.

Your DH has let his bitterness become the focus of his life. He needs to be adored. You're too sensible to do it, so he has turned to this OW. His introversion probably doesn't help him, but it is a side issue.

Of course I could be wrong.

And of course, whether I am wrong or right doesn't make a difference. There is no Mh diagnosis of 'faithless self-obsessed shagger'.

Riverland · 06/11/2014 21:41

OW is basically his only fan?

He's a narcissist with an introverted personality.