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Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

Is it abuse or incompatibility: am I wrong or right: is the grass greener the other side?

48 replies

Rockover · 23/10/2014 11:08

Hello everyone. This is my first post. I have been watching for a while and wanted to contribute, but I find it hard to reach out when I'm holding myself in, if that makes sense.

My OH is regarded generally as a kind, generous man. But behind closed doors it is a different story. He can be moody, unpredictable, critical and mean. It seems to be about money, although perhaps it is control. I work part-time, over 5 days, squeezing in the hours between the school run for my little boy. We aren't married and I got pregnant very quickly, so our life together has pretty much always been 'with child'. He has been married and has two other children. My financial contribution has always been food, childcare costs and holidays/social contributions. My role has been primary carer for our son, housework, cooking, etc. He earns a high salary but pays a massive amount of school fees for his other children.

He states that he thinks I should be working full-time. That I should contribute 50% financially to all costs bar mortgage. That's food, utilities, bills, holidays, socialising. He earns 6x what I do. He doesn't offer any solutions in terms of childcare now our son has started school, just says other women manage. I did work full-time for 6 months when our son was at nursery, but it was miserable. I paid almost half my salary towards childcare, my son was angry and miserable, I was tired and sad. I still got home before OH so the childcare, cooking and housework still fell to me. Now our son is at school and the thought of managing the school run and finding childcare provision during all those term breaks when he is so small. Some mothers do manage, I know...

He says I don't buy the food he likes. I don't cook the food the way he would like it. I made too much washing up, using two pans instead of one. I left a pile of laundry over there. I didn't rinse the bath properly. It goes on. He compliments my body and my face but can't find anything nice to say about my personality or character. I ask if I can have a glass of wine, or a bit of food he has bought, or a cup of coffee as historically he has become very angry if I 'helped myself' or gave our son food he has brought. He sometimes says no, I can't, or says yes on the understanding I will replace it. I buy my own wine, or ham, vegetables, etc, to avoid this conflict. Then he goes ballistic if food is wasted (which it is, as often we have doubled up on things). He tells me I sing too loudly, that my voice is screechy. He tells me that I am a sponger, a user. He says I am manipulative. If I lose my temper he says I am crazy and an unfit mother.

I jump when I hear his car door slam. I rush around before he is due home, making sure the washing up is done, the house looks tidy, there aren't toys lying around. I feel sick a lot, wondering what I am going to do to upset him next. He can turn from loving and funny to cold and hurtful in a second. He will be cold for days if I upset him and only warm if I cry and show remorse for whatever it was I did.

He says if I talk to my parents or my friends about our relationship he will end it. He repeats often that the house is his.

I am articulate, but I find I cannot argue with him. I get tied in knots. The bigger picture is lost over a minor detail and nothing is resolved. I recognise that he goads me to lose my temper, at which point he has 'won', but there is no winning, whatever I do.

We don't talk about holidays and haven't had a real holiday for a couple of years, as I cannot afford to pay for half of the type of holiday he wants. He has taken his other kids away. If we go out for a meal or find ourselves in a supermarket together, I get half the money out to pay but he won't accept it in public and gets angry that I tried.

I could contribute a bit more financially to the household, but I don't think it will make a difference to his attitude. He spends over £30,000 a year on private school fees but our son is my financial responsibility. He thinks nothing of spending several hundred pounds on a luxury. Am I wrong in squirrelling away £50 'just in case' instead of contributing to the electricity bill?

It got physical for the first time about a month ago, when I lost my temper. He tried to shut me out the house, I fought my way in, he tried to drag me out. It hurt. Things have been calmer since. I said and he agreed that it was better to call it a day. He asked how I would manage and I said 'with difficulty'. Then he was loving towards me. But a couple of nights ago he got angry when I asked if he could think about taking some of his leave during holiday times, as my leave couldn't begin to cover this. He said that my job contributed nothing to the household and what was the point if I couldn't even cover the childcare. I felt too defeated to defend myself. He was meant to pick our son up from school as I had to work but said he was going to spend time with his other kids.

Our son has had trouble adapting to school. He witnessed the violence above and wet his bed. He has been acting out and biting and hitting. He heard his dad say he thought something was wrong with him. It was my OH saying this about my son that took me to the point I said it was time to end it. I think it's another control thing but this is his area of expertise and it cut deep.

I am not entitled to spousal maintenance. I have no claim to the house and couldn't afford it if I did. His arrangement with his ex is private, but I am sure he will pay only the minimum child maintenance for our son. It wouldn't be enough to rent privately in this area.

I feel entirely trapped. I have stood in the doorway wanting to step away from him and our son. My love and patience for my child is distorted by the feeling of being trapped. My perspective isn't right and I'm finding it hard to make decisions.

Thanks for listening x

OP posts:
Allhallowspeeve · 23/10/2014 11:13

Oh lovey he sounds horrible. Of course it's abuse. You know it if. Financially, emotionally and physically.

Contact women's aid and have a talk. X

Dirtybadger · 23/10/2014 11:15

It is abuse. You are being abused; you are not in the wrong. Your poor soon, too.

Do you have anywhere (parents, friend?) you could go to stay until you were able to sort out benefits, etc? Have you used one of the benefits calculators to figure out what you'd be entitled to? CAB might be able to help.

Your son will be much happier with you and limited contact with his arsehole of a dad.

Allhallowspeeve · 23/10/2014 11:16

Don't get hung up on the payments you would receive for your son. I managed to raise my dd1 without a penny of her off her dad.

Vivacia · 23/10/2014 11:16

You wouldn't manage with difficulty - how could anything be more difficult than this existance?

I agree, ring Women's Aid and also get yourself legal advice. My personal opinion is that you need an exit strategy and a new life.

Allhallowspeeve · 23/10/2014 11:18

By the way is is an utter cunt.

WerkSupp · 23/10/2014 11:19

Get your child and yourself the FUCK away from this abusive twat now!

You will be MUCH better off single and on in-work benefits.

Vivacia · 23/10/2014 11:20

I also think you need to start picturing your new life, and how it will feel to eat what you want, leave the pots unwashed for a day and for you and your son to feel safe in your own beds.

Rockover · 23/10/2014 11:22

Oh crap. Bawled my eyes out as soon as I saw your kind replies and I have to go to work. Thank you for replying. It's so hard to accept what you know is true. I'll think more on your comments when I have a moment to get emotional without child or work colleagues or OH to see x

OP posts:
CogitoErgoSometimes · 23/10/2014 11:36

It's appalling treatment and I'm so sorry that you and your son are the victims of such an abusive bully. I don't think you can get out soon enough, quite honestly, and safety has to be your first priority. You keep calling him 'OH'... are you married? Legally and financially, you may be in a stronger position than you think. But please get safe first. It sounds horrendous.

CogitoErgoSometimes · 23/10/2014 11:54

BTW.... this is not a case of 'greener grass'. There is no grass. The place you are standing is knee deep in shit and getting deeper. Any grass is long gone.

CogitoErgoSometimes · 23/10/2014 11:59

"He says if I talk to my parents or my friends about our relationship he will end it. "

With the caveat of staying safe, please talk to anyone you think would understand. Womens Aid, your GP, your DS's school (who may be wondering why he is so distressed) would all listen to you in strictest confidence and be able to help. I'm sure your family love you and would be horrified to know that you are being so mistreated.

hellsbellsmelons · 23/10/2014 12:07

We aren't married and I got pregnant very quickly
Cogito - this is what OP says. So not married.

If I was you OP, I'd get myself down to CAB and see what benefits, housing etc... you would be entitled to.
Then onto CSA and find out how much you should receive in maintenance payments. Then you have all the information you need to make that move.

Firstly though, please call Womens Aid. They can help you to see what this is and help you with an exit plan.

If you report this abuse then you may also be entitled to legal aid which you may well need in the near future.

The scales will start to fall from your eyes.
Start to keep a diary of all his abusive behaviour.
Log what you remember from past abuse as well.

Time to put you and your DS first. It's not fair on him at all to leave him in this environment!

Sorry you are having to deal with this. It's going to seem completely overwhelming to begin with.
Small steps. Womens Aid first then take it from there.

CogitoErgoSometimes · 23/10/2014 12:09

Missed that part about not married. Thanks Hells. OK so the entitlements are much lower but still.... all the money in the world is no compensation for abuse, especially when children are being damaged in the process.

Quitelikely · 23/10/2014 12:45

Bloody hell! This is a life if misery if I ever saw one.

Please do not hang onto this man. He is mean, greedy and abusive. He is not a great father, he only bothers with his other children so much because he thinks he is paying for them so must get his money's worth!

And you will get a nice slice of his salary for your son too. I think it's 15 percent.

If you leave, depending what you earn you might get tax credits, child benefit etc.

This is no way to live, you know that. I hope you find the courage and strength to break free from this awful, horrible excuse of a man.

Quitelikely · 23/10/2014 12:47

And yes the grass is greener on the other side! I promise you that......

Is he planning to pay for your so. To have private ed?

bibliomania · 23/10/2014 12:49

Abuse. Talk to Women's Aid.

And sorry, you shouldn't be treated like that. Nobody deserves that.

ROUNDandROUNDINCIRCILESMORETHA · 23/10/2014 12:58

So many men still with victorian attitude. I'd tell him to do his own shopping if thats how he feels but of course i'm concerned about the reaction you'd get after reading this.

Nelleebellee · 23/10/2014 13:28

Yes this is abuse, he is a horrible bully. Phone women's aid and get a plan to leave, for you and your DS's sake. You deserve much better.

Rockover · 23/10/2014 17:46

Thank you everyone for your thoughts. It's really helpful/reassuring/upsetting/even cheering to read... but perhaps most usefully, might help break me out of this paralysis. You all seem to be thinking along the same lines: abuse, info, out.

I have been finding out information but I need some legal advice. I will call Women's Aid, though I quake at the thought of his reaction if I called what he does abuse. I don't want to sever his relationship with DS - it might seem odd, given what I have written, but he has good qualities as a father. At least I keep telling myself that. The answer is no, Quitelikely, there is no way he would pay for private education for our son. I wouldn't want that anyway, although the fact different standards seem to exist for his other children rankles. Child maintenance, for instance - DS would be entitled to about 17% of his salary - 1/7th for every night with him. I think (but I'm not sure) that this figure is divided by 3 (children). But he is paying over £30,000 a year for their school fees. That would mean DS would be getting a fraction of what they are. It's not all about money - but if I'm going to strike out on my own and find a home for me and DS, I need to think about this stuff.

hellsbellsmelons your advice sounds good, are you talking from experience? I have written to a friend throughout a lot of this (and written to myself) describing things he has said, so perhaps I should gather that together. As a reminder to myself, if nothing else.

Cogito I do talk to friends. I make myself do it to prevent isolating myself. But if you don't act, sympathy can turn to frustration. Plus you get situations where your brother is glaring at your OH at the occasional family gathering. So I keep a lot to myself.

The constant criticism is insidious. I name it, call it out, but it eats away at your confidence all the same. It's hard to trust yourself and your reactions. Thank you again for your thoughts x

OP posts:
Anniegetyourgun · 23/10/2014 18:31

he has become very angry if I 'helped myself' or gave our son food he has brought

We... haven't had a real holiday for a couple of years, as I cannot afford to pay for half of the type of holiday he wants. He has taken his other kids away.

Our son... witnessed the violence above and wet his bed. He has been acting out and biting and hitting. He heard his dad say he thought something was wrong with him

I am sure he will pay only the minimum child maintenance for our son

there is no way he would pay for private education for our son

Er, that is not a good father in any way, shape or form. Especially the bit where he said there was "something wrong with him" in the child's hearing. That's all kinds of awful. He could be worse, sure. But he's nowhere in the same part of the universe as a good parent.

You do know what's really wrong with your son, don't you? And it's almost certainly not school.

Run away, run away.

BertieBotts · 23/10/2014 18:34

I would totally disregard any possibility of maintenance. IF he ever pays any, treat it as extra money. Never ever rely on it for essentials. Then it becomes just a tool for him to control you with.

Look on www.turn2us.org to see what you'd be entitled to as a single parent. It doesn't have to be long term but the system is there so that you don't have to put up with a situation like this.

BertieBotts · 23/10/2014 18:34

Sorry, www.turn2us.org.uk/

Please disregard previous link.

Viviennemary · 23/10/2014 18:41

I think eventually you will have to make the decision to walk away from this man. Can life be any worse on your own with your DS. He really is a mean controlling bully. I agree it's a life of misery. You don't want a future like this surely. Don't even bother trying to argue with him. Words will never work with this sort. Just gather your courage and walk away. It's the only thing to do. Good luck.

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 23/10/2014 18:48

I was married to a man just like him (other than the high earning part). Insistence on things being done his way, criticism of every little thing. I too would feel panicky when I knew he was coming back. Sometimes I'd ring him to see if he wanted the heating on or off when he got home as whichever I did it always seemed to be wrong.
We left the day he lost it with our DD (4 at the time), grabbed her Nd swore in her face.
Life is so much better now. I bought a house using my settlement for a deposit, got promoted and got a lovely new non-abusive boyfriend. The dc are happy.
It can be done. Get all the info you need and get out. Don't let him talk you round saying things will change. It was the 4th time of leaving that I left for good. Nothing changed after all the times I left before that.

BuggersMuddle · 23/10/2014 20:10

I expect you'll get a unanimous LTB OP and rightly so. The behaviour you describe is appalling.

Presumably if he earns 6 x your salary, you weren't on a par when you got together or when you go pregnant Hmm It also goes without saying that if he expects 50/50 contribution he should be facilitating that i.e. paying / performing his share of childcare.

In practice I think that's all fairly academic in this scenario. The picture you paint is of an irredeemable arsehole and you would be well rid.

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