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Am I banging my head against a brick wall?

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HighwayToHell · 09/10/2014 14:56

I will try and keep this short-ish and not drip feed.
In a nutshell met a guy on a dating site a year ago, seperated from abusive H three years ago and have 3 dcs at home with me.
From the start his contact was always formal, he spent a month texting me before we met and it was always polites, "How are you" Have you had a good day etc.
He is nearly 50 and he is no Brad Pitt (Im no Angelina Jolie!) just a normal looking man..a little old fashioned in some sense and quite "proper"
We got on well after our first meeting but for the first few weeks, he had an issue with ED,he said I was the first one since he split from his wife so I put it down to that and that sorted itself out
He was always quite cagey about his past relationships and only talked about the time up from his early 30s when he met his wife who was much younger.
She left him and he never wanted to talk about it..but from the odd bits he did tell me, she had initiated divorce proceedings and he finally confessed she had left him for someone else.
During all the time we were together, getting together was always "an arrangement" ie he would say to me..when are you free next..and would usually only want to come round when I had childcare. His contact in between dates was limited to formal texts asking how my day was and I sometimes wondered if I was actually in a relationship.
I had asked him v early on what he wanted and he said..a relationship..I had done the FWB thing and made it clear I didnt want that.
After a few months I asked him where things were going and again re iterated I didnt want FWB, he said as far as he was concerned I was his girlfriend, but I only ever saw him on designated nights of the week when the DCS went to H's house,kept communication minimal between dates and I hadnt met his friends or family. I didnt introduce him to DC's until we had been together 6 months (he has no DCS)
Around about this time he suddenly blurted out while we were on a date that he didnt think we had a future-I was gobsmacked and asked why, he said that he assumed that I would want to live with him one day andhe didnt see himself living with me and my DC's. I told him it was over and he suddenly backtracked saying he was just scared having been hurt previously etc.
I was eventually introduced to his best friend two months later but the situation continued, dates twice a week. I knew his divorce was ongoing and was causing a lot of stress as his wife wanted her share of the house but he kept v closed about it all..the only thing that I did discover was that although he had told me that his wife left a year before we met, it transpired that they attempted a reconciliation just three months before I met him, but she left again.
He was invited to a family wedding in August that involved going away for 4 days to Jersey-he went without me and when I asked why I wasnt invited despite the fact that we had been together almost a year, he gave the feeble excuse that he didnt think it appropriate for two people still married to other people, to go to a wedding together! I was pretty hurt..
To appease me, he took me away for a few days and we did have a lovely time but I felt angry. I still hadnt met or had been mentioned to any one in his family, his mum lives nearby and is unaware he was seeing anyone.
A few weeks ago he seemed pre occupied and said he was low as it was the anniversary of his dads death, I also noted that it was his wedding anniversary-a few days later he got the solicitors letter saying his wife wanted all the equity in his house and at that point told me we were over as he didnt think he wanted a relationship after all..
I was pretty upset as I had fallen in love with him and after lots of talks, he asked me to give him space, which I did..I stepped back..so far he has kept in touch and we have been out in the last week or so..he told me in one of our talks that he was fed up because I kept asking him about the divorce etc and its true, I had tried to get him to open up which was a big mistake I know..but he has always kept me at arms length and not discussed personal stuff with me so I wanted him to know I was here for him to lean on..
He has spent a lot of time crying and I know he hasnt been eating or sleeping properly..my close friends and family say that the divorce has obviously caused him major stress and he probably feels he cannot cope with a relationship right now and I should just let him come to me..but..
I am wondering if its worth it..or am I dealing with an emotionally unavailable man who may be incapable of ever loving me and possibly isnt over his wife.

I am a lot stronger than I was when my H left for another woman, so if I have to walk away..I will

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Fudgeface123 · 09/10/2014 15:00

Walk away and find someone who wants to be with you as much as you want to be with them. It sounds like he's not over his ex-wife and probably won't be for a while.

You've only been seeing him a year, it should still be the honeymoon period yet your relationship sounds utterly miserable

FunkyBoldRibena · 09/10/2014 15:01

I don't think he is ready love.

Walk away.

This will only cause you pain.

HighwayToHell · 09/10/2014 15:04

Sadly I am thinking the same-I always got the impression that he blamed himself for the marriage breakdown and simply hadnt accepted that it was over..one of my friends said that the divorce proceedings probably made him realise she wasnt coming back and he is finally grieving for his marriage and needs to now allow himself to get over her

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HighwayToHell · 09/10/2014 15:05

I do feel very sad because I think if we had met a year or so in the future things might have been different.Sad
I feel upset now that he put himself out there when he was no way ready-just hoping it would help him get over her I guess

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HighwayToHell · 09/10/2014 16:10

Fudgeface123-one of my friends said the same thing..it should be fun at this stage and its not.

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FreudianGymSlip · 09/10/2014 20:28

Lots of folk do it OP, I think it's a sort of panic reaction to avoid feeling the inevitable grief that such a loss entails.

He just isn't ready and, sadly, you are on the receiving end of that. Let him go this time, don't go back if he changes his mind because you really don't want to be his comfort blanket do you?

HighwayToHell · 09/10/2014 23:19

Thanks FreudiunGymSlip- it is all hitting me now..I allowed myself to fall in love with him because I didnt even know there was such a thing as emotionally unavailable..it was only when a friend pointed it out that I looked into it and he ticked all the boxes..I feel used.I genuinely hoped that at some point we would have a future...all I was to him was someone to stop him from grieving for his marriage, as you say a comfort blanket, he said last week that he didnt actually think he wanted a relationship anymore, pity he waited a year to tell me.I guess I served my purpose, or maybe worse.Im just not working anymore but Im no idiot and I can see that he is only now facing up to the fact that his marriage is over and is grieving. He had the cheek to get back in touch tonight and ask if I was free this weekend..incidentally back in Spring, I caught him out having the dating ap we met on, still on his phone

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UpNorthAgain · 10/10/2014 19:22

When I was getting divorced a good friend told me the rule of thumb that it takes a month to get over every year of a previous relationship. This was certainly about right for me, and I wouldn't consider dating anyone who was (say) a year on from a nineteen year marriage; it's just too soon for them. Would that would be a helpful thing to remember next time?

HighwayToHell · 23/10/2014 00:27

Upnorth. Thank you..he was married for less time than that..7 years I think and of course when I met him he claimed him and his wife had been over for a year...which turned out not to be true.
Since I last posted he was in touch claiming he still wanted to see me..we have seen each other a few times and I have stepped back emotionally..then on the spur of the monent..last week because he has two weeks off before he starts his new job..he boojed a last min holiday to the canary islands for a week..he and his wife used to go abroad every year and he said he needed a break..I am away when he returns with work and he kept saying that he was really going to miss me etc and was making plans for us for when he got back..Im no longer under any illusion that its a great romance but did ask him to just drop me a text once a day to say he was ok..he flew out on monday texted when he arrived..
Ive heard nothing since.....He has gone alone incidentally

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HighwayToHell · 23/10/2014 12:07

Im such an idiot..he is just keeping me in his back pocket isnt he? he doesnt want to commit but doesnt want to let go..well given that he appears to have cut all contact with me whilst on holiday I would really like some advice as to what to do now..do I have it out with him when he gets back then walk away or shall I just cut all contact and ignore any contact he may make (if he does) when he returns?, I cant go on like this.as I do love him but I can see that its not reciprocated and I need to work out how to walk away as I think he will be quite persistant (only wants me when I dont want him)

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Louboutin37 · 23/10/2014 13:28

I dated someone like this briefly. (seriously, from your description of the texts asking how your day was and him picking it up and dropping it we could be talking about the same man). Everything was about him and how he was feeling and his pace and his need to control the relationship. There were red flags all over the place so I walked away rather swiftly.

Within a month or so he was grovelling for me to revisit the potential of dating him, so I did, and within a week he was slipping back into the same old pattern.

If I were you I would explain to him why you are no longer interested. I consider this a way to offer constructive feedback to any man re-entering the dating market, also it clearly sets out your stall as to WHY you are not interested in continuing contact with him.

Then politely mention to him that you now wish to block contact, block him on whatsapp and ask him not to contact you again.

HighwayToHell · 23/10/2014 15:20

Thanks Lou. .I think this guy is the same..I'm slowly but surely realising that he is very selfish.its all been about him from day one..not once has he ever considered my feelings..to clear off on holiday and not even contact me is so shitty. .I can't believe he can be so callous.I totalky fell for him and I think he's taken me for a fool

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Louboutin37 · 23/10/2014 15:34

I sympathise, I really do. When I told the one I was seeing to take a running jump I told him quite clearly that he wasn't ready to be in a relationship yet as everything was about him and not about me.

I hope he'll be one that you'll look back on one day and realise that you really were selling yourself short. I certainly do now :)

Hissy · 23/10/2014 16:14

I dated someone for a year. all good.

then he goes to a family wedding. NO PLUS ONE.

then during me mucking about in the kitchen, I said to him, tongue in cheek, 'tell me again why you are with me'

He replied 'Because it's convenient, and I'm in it for selfish reasons and I'm too lazy to do anything about it' he went on to say that he saw no future in 'us'.

ouch.

it was about 10 days before our 1 year anniversary. I needed to sit with it for a while, as there was all kinds of unholy shit going on with my DM, but on the anniversary day, he came round to take me for dinner, with a card.

we went to dinner and when we came back I said to him that I should have been happy as it was an anniversary, but that I was sad in that I was in a relationship with someone that didn't care enough about me.

My love you should have KEPT him gone when you ended it. I shouldn't have bothered with the anniversary either, I should have ended it there and then. If it had not have been for the family thing, perhaps I would have done.

Your OP describes a cold relationship where it's purely for his convenience. it's almost so much of an arrangement that only the money is missing. :(

Text him now and end this. Wish him luck in the future and then block all access to you.

I know this hurts, but i'm here to listen if it helps?

HighwayToHell · 23/10/2014 16:53

Hissy thank you..yes its pretty cold..I never got loving texts etc and I can't comprehend how any man could go on holiday abroad and not want to contact his girlfriend..I feel pretty devastated..and I guess I have clung onto the shared tastes and interests we had and told myself I'll never meet anyone else I'm compatible with..but deep down I know that we aren't compatible because we don't share the same relationship values..I really hoped we had a future I feel like a bloody fool..incidentally he went to a family wedding abroad. .and didn't take me..My mind is in overdrive now and I'm even wondering if he's been cheating on me.

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Hissy · 23/10/2014 17:09

He's treating you as a secret, like a mistress or whore. I felt SO 'not good enough' when I heard that my ex had gone to the wedding.

a wedding he only mentioned to me the week before he was going.

that ticked all the crappy boxes put there by my family, which was the reason I fell vulnerable to an abuser.

This relationship, by the way, was the first relationship I had since my abusive ex had left.

I call it now my training wheels relationship. I learned that I could have a normal relationship, I could handle it day to day, maintain it, but I could also see where things were wrong and where I deserve better.

After that relationship ended, I kind of stayed single for a year or so, doing other things (dealing with aforementioned crappy family) and now am looking to date again. so far so good, am stronger than ever before and totally level headed.

Have you done any work on repairing the damage your abusive ex did? I say this because unless you do, you won't ever heal from it. there is no short cut. all you end up doing is suppressing the hurt and eventually it will manifest in something else at some point along the line.

This guy is not good enough for you. you won't get any better than him until you see that you deserve it. he's single for a reason. you are single because you got yourself free. HUGE difference!

End it now, and mean it. Before you change your mind. You owe him nothing. He's wasted enough of your time love.

If you have not done the freedom programme, please do that asap and start to close the doors to potential manipulators and abusers.

i saw the FP and the therapy I did as an insurance policy for myself, to make sure that i NEVER again was vulnerable to a man that got off on my misery.

HighwayToHell · 23/10/2014 18:43

Hissy that's awful..what a callous thing to saySad I did the FP programme and felt so confident when I met him..but as the months have gone by I feel my self esteem being eroded more and more and now I feel back to square one..feeling worthless and useless..I'm sat here sobbing because he can't even be bothered to contact me from his holiday..when I know deep down..I should be kicking him to the kerb

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HighwayToHell · 23/10/2014 18:53

Lou..my mum says the same..For a long time she said she thought it was just his divorce that was causing confusion but she said today..she thinks he's emotionally abusing me by going hot and cold all the time..I've been so confused I font know what's going on anymore..every time I try to pull away he reels me in again..then does this to me..The night before he went away he was all over me like a rash saying he was going to miss me and that he would text frequently. .He didn't mean it obviously so why say it?
As I've been trying to comprehend this relationship I've looked to my past..every single relationship I've had has been abusiveSad

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tipsytrifle · 23/10/2014 19:24

Im no longer under any illusion that its a great romance but did ask him to just drop me a text once a day to say he was ok

hmm .. perhaps you actually put yourself in his back pocket? If your intention is to end it then do so. Yes, he is at best emotionally unavailable; sorry, a year of hoping is harsh ...

HighwayToHell · 23/10/2014 19:36

Tipsy..yep I know..I've actually given him the message that he can pick me up and put me down when it suits him and ill be available. He probably thinks he can swan back from his holiday and pick up where he left off Sad

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tipsytrifle · 23/10/2014 19:45

Have you decided if you are or are not available, should he wish it? If the former then let it roll as is. If the latter then another text is required. If it's over you don't need to know how he is.

tipsytrifle · 23/10/2014 19:47

The message you have given is that you are available. Him picking you up or not when it suits is a consequence of your permission.

HighwayToHell · 23/10/2014 19:50

Tipsy..
I am trying to tell myself that I have to walk away. .I know I do..I am just struggling to comprehend how he could be all over me on Sunday saying he's going to miss me..Then cuts me off once he arrives.

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HighwayToHell · 23/10/2014 19:54

For a long time my family and friends d's excused his actions because they said I needed to give him time etc..and I wanted to believe it..

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HighwayToHell · 23/10/2014 20:17

I have typed and retyped this message to him but this is the one I've settled on

Dear xx
I've been giving our relationship some thought lately and while you have been away and not in contact.it has given me a good chance to reflect and I'm afraid this isn't working for me.I can't go on with the constant uncertainty of you blowing hot and cold and given that you have recently said you didn't know if you wanted a relationship and weren't sure how you felt about me.I think it is best we go our separate ways.I cannot continue in a relationship with someone who obviously doesn't respect or care for me and has no empathy with regards my feelings.
Please think carefully before dating again as you are obviously not ready.
Please don't contact me I have nothing left to say to you and hope you will respect my wishes

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