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BF visiting sex workers for HE massage

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Finch82 · 07/10/2014 12:37

I've been with my BF for over 2 years. I'm 32, he is 34. We live together and we've been talking about starting a family. We've had a really brilliant relationship that I thought was very open and honest. Sex is great but over the course of this year, it's tailed of a little from his end and I've talked to him about it on a couple of occasions. I suppose it was this that led me to look on his phone on Sunday night. I've never ever snooped, ever. But he'd gone out and left his phone and I came in and saw it and felt compelled to look.

In his messages were numerous texts to different numbers, some in his contacts list, some not, organising liasons for a HE (Happy Ending) Massage. Essentially this is a hand job from a sex worker. He uses a false name. The texts are very perfunctory but always have a "x" at the end. It's been going on for at least 8 months.

I confronted him about it when he got home and he didn't deny it. He says it's an addiction. He had his first experience after he split up from his last GF but that it didn't start while we were going out until earlier this year. From the amount of messages on his phone, I'd say he's been visiting these women every week/fortnight. There doesn't seem to have been any gap where he's tried to give it up by himself or seek help.

I'm devastated and he is too. I think he's horrified by how upset I am. I feel so alone though. I don't feel I can talk to my family or friends as I feel so ashamed of him and what he has done, I don't want people to know.

Up until I found out, I felt he was the love of my life. I've had awful BFs in the past, it felt like he was finally someone I deserved to be with, but now I've been so betrayed by him. He wants to go to couples counselling, but I feel I might be better of cutting my losses and moving out. Any thoughts or advice would be really appreciated.

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Fontella · 08/10/2014 08:35

Huh?

It's not 'sex addiction' ffs. The bloke is paying for hand jobs - once a week or once a fortnight, while he has a perfectly loving, and willing partner at home with whom he is increasingly less inclined to have sex, to the point she's had spoken to him about it. He prefers to get his rocks off paying prostitutes to wank him off. That's not an 'addiction' it's a perversion.

GirlWithTheLionHeart · 08/10/2014 08:44

You must have extremely low self esteem to even consider staying with such a disgusting man. Please just end it fgs

Finch82 · 08/10/2014 09:55

Don't worry everybody. I won't be staying with him. I've just been in shock for the last few days and I'm just not ready to do anything. I'm still dealing with the fact of what he's done. Once I've dealt with that I'll be able to deal with the end of our relationship. It might sound weird to some of you but I just need to take things a step at a time. I have a counselling session tomorrow and I'm looking forward to getting some professional support.

Thank you for the alternative perspective Purple Swift. I'm inclined to agree with everyone else. He's upset he got caught. As I've been processing this the last few days I've realised just how much he's lied. It's been a full on deception. What a bastard.

GirlWithTheLionHeart, I thought I had good self esteem but maybe you're right. I'll have to explore that with my counsellor. In my early 20s I was in a very emotionally abusive and controlling relationship. My next relationship was with someone very nice, who I felt safe with, but who turned out to be completely a-sexual. And now I find out my next boyfriend is a filthy sex addict. What the hell is wrong with me????? It's devastated me.

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GirlWithTheLionHeart · 08/10/2014 09:58

There's nothing wrong with you, at all. You just needs to be aware of red flags in the future.

Finch82 · 08/10/2014 10:22

Anyfucker, the money/family man thing is so right. He's earning okay money but his career prospects aren't good. We'd talked about me supporting him financially through a year so he could retrain-HA!

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Stupidhead · 08/10/2014 10:27

It's not you Finch, it's him. You were just unlucky. Don't let this man taint your view of future relationships. Not all men are like this. Counselling would be good but please please do not blame yourself. His ex left because of this, it wasn't her fault either.

LonnyVonnyWilsonFrickett · 08/10/2014 10:27

It's a lot to take in OP, you take it one step at a time if that's what's right for you. I think the thread will hopefully change now, from 'kick him out' to 'how can we support you' now you've made your decision.

Although unfortunately an STI test is one of the first steps you should take Sad Please don't put that off.

FatherJake · 08/10/2014 10:37

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Polonium · 08/10/2014 10:45

I hope you get your happy ending, OP.

shesawseashellsontheseashore · 08/10/2014 10:49

If you are 32 and want a family I would get out now. Do not waste a minute longer on him.

I was with a jerk at that age. I finally managed to dump him and meet DH but didn't get married until 38. Mid forties now and we didn't manage to have children. Get on with your life. Time is not on your side.

Dirtybadger · 08/10/2014 11:01

Fatherjake she needs an STI check because her dp/exdp has been cheating on her and lying about it. She doesn't know where it "stops". Better to be safe than sorry. If someone has become comfortable paying for handjobs it's not so ridiculous to believe they may have gone looking down other avenues. He's claiming he's a sex addict (not that I believe a word)- if that were true there's almost certainly more (potentially dangerous, in terms of risk to sexual health) shit that's gone on.

I'm not sure what your point is about Asia? The OP's dp had broken the boundaries of their relationship. It doesn't really matter if what he has done is culturally acceptable in one place and not in another.There are lots of culturally acceptable practices around the World which, thankfully, are socially unacceptable in the UK thanks to increasing autonomy and rights for women. Everyone else might be laughing at our poor men folk but we ought not reintroduce those practices simply because other people seem to think it's alright. Equally I'm sure we could learn from other places but boundaries are boundaries and it's breaking them that is the problem, not the act per se (some people might be happy for their partner to have extre marrital sex, for example, that's absolutely fine).

LonnyVonnyWilsonFrickett · 08/10/2014 11:04

Of course FatherJake it's entirely unheard of that a liar who seeks sex elsewhere on at least a weekly basis could... lie about it. Sorry. I'll get back in my box right now. Go Asia.

FFS.

AnyFucker · 08/10/2014 12:57

I can only make an educated guess at what was in
FatherJ's deleted post.

Suffice to say it won't have been anything remotely helpful or supportive to the op.

PurpleSwift · 08/10/2014 14:33

Fontella, people throw away their lives for addiction every day. Weather that be for sex, drugs, alcohol, gambling etc so I'm assuming you know nothing of the realities of addiction. It's absolutely nothing to do with how good someone may have it at home.

Wishing you lots of luck OP X

Finch82 · 08/10/2014 15:34

Thank you for everyone's continued support. I looked up sex addiction like you suggested PurpleSwift. It's been really helpful and has helped me understand and come to terms with it at bit more. It's defined as being "any sexual behaviour that is out of control". I think this is an addiction for him that he has had since before our relationship. I'm worried that he embarked on our relationship as a way to escape his addiction (something he failed to do) rather than because he wanted to experience a loving and intimate relationship. I don't think he realises this, but his behaviour is conducive to this. He seems more intent on wanting to save the relationship than trying to show any real remorse. And he keeps lying. Last night, I wanted information about the infidelities (not to see if I can forgive them, just as a way for me to process it). I asked him to be completely honest with me. I said, I don't care how awful the truth is, I don't care how much it will hurt, I NEED you to be honest.

... he wasn't.

He tried to minimise the behaviour - he said that these women are trained masseuses who want to earn a bit of extra cash. NOT TRUE! He uses a website call Adult Worker - it's very seedy.

I asked him the age range of the women he'd seen? I said, 18? He said, God no-late 20s to late 30s. There was a name I'd spotted in his messages. I looked her up - there's only one of that name in our region. She's 20.

He's denied clearing his browsing history and now admitted it

Lies upon lies upon lies. Everything that now comes out of his mouth comes with an asterix leading to a footnote that says THIS MAN IS A LIAR

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Jan45 · 08/10/2014 15:40

Honestly OP two years in the grand scheme of life is nothing, you will get over this quicker than you think.

Sex addiction my arse, more like a sad, seedy, perverted little man who can't get his rocks off in a normal committed relationship - if anything he should be pitied.

If he's had his addiction for years, why didn't he go seek help, because he didn't and doesn't see it as a problem - as long as the little old wifey at home doesn't find out, eugh.

yougotafriend · 08/10/2014 15:43

Finch this is so horrible for you, but you sound like you are dealing with it in a very sensible way.

He is an absolute sleazebag and you are well rid of him. I'm not saying addicts don't haibtually lie they do, but surely the first step to dealing with any addiction is to admit the full exent of the problem.

As he continues to lie he is either (a) not an addict or (b) an addict who is not yet ready to address his addiction.

Neither is an option for anyone who wants to "save" a relationship.

AMumInScotland · 08/10/2014 15:55

Well done. It sounds like you are getting clearer in your own mind how you feel about this and why it is unacceptable to you.

It really doesn't matter if it's an addiction or not. It's his problem to decide what to do about it and whether he honestly sees any problem in his behaviour - which sounds like a big 'no' from what you've said about his responses - denying and minimising.

Meanwhile, I think you are reaching the stage where you have processed and discussed and reached a conclusion?

He's a liar. You will never be able to trust him. And you'd be frankly daft if you did.

Militarychaos · 08/10/2014 19:31

Finch I feel so awful for you, this is a terrible thing for you to go through. I watched a close friend experience this a few years back, he minimised and lied and blamed. Make yourself safe, get counselling and never ever blame yourself or anything about you. Separate you from him, if you see what I mean. I hope you are ok I've seen the pain this can cause :( I'm sending you much strength and hugs, no woman deserves to discover this in her relationship it's utter shite. stay strong x

Finch82 · 09/10/2014 17:11

The counsellor was amazing, the bastard has been sent packing and I feel I can now start to share this with my family starting with my big sis. Thank you for your support this week!

Best wishes everyone xxxxx

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BitOutOfPractice · 09/10/2014 17:23

Oh well done OP. You are a very sensible and brave woman!

I hope you can move forwards and onwards from this and find a man who treats you with th elove and respect you deserve Thanks

Only1scoop · 09/10/2014 17:27

Oh Op bloody good for you....here's to a future clear of lies Thanks

AnyFucker · 09/10/2014 17:57
Thanks
LonnyVonnyWilsonFrickett · 09/10/2014 19:48

Well done Finch. Good for you.

scatteroflight · 09/10/2014 20:57

Well done you. I loved your comment about an asterisk that leads to a footnote - made me laugh out loud. You're young, you can start again. The very minimum requirement for a relationship should be that your partner doesn't visit prostitutes once a week. Absolutely ludicrous that he should think otherwise.

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