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Christmas and the In-Laws!

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RegTheMonkey1 · 23/09/2014 12:56

Normally husband spend Christmas and New Year at home with just the two of us. My parents are dead and his parents live about 300 miles away from us. They normally host the grandkids (husband's brother's children) at Christmas anyway and enjoy having them. However, grandkids are now young men with their own partners and will be doing their own thing this year.

Husband has suggested we spend the Christmas week (WEEK!!!) with his parents. His father has had cancer, and is currently having tests to see if it has come back. His mother is losing her sight. They are both very elderly, though still fit and active, apart from these two problem areas.

The problem is - guess what - the mother-in-law. She is very spoiled and entitled and has a strict set of 'rules' that the family has to live by, although when confronted about this, denies it. Just a few examples before I get to my question:

If we go out for lunch and have a hot meal, then only a sandwich will be served at dinner time. If we go out for lunch and have a sandwich, then we are allowed to have a hot meal at home for dinner. Husband is a very active man and has a healthy appetite. He went down last week to visit them and encountered the hot/cold meal thing. So in the evening after a day out walking, he saw they were making tiny wee sandwiches for dinner (because they had a hot lunch!) and he had to ask his mother if it was alright for him to make himself an omelette. On a special birthday visit we were out for the day, going round a small town looking for a suitable lunch place, none would do for the MIL, she kept vetoing everywhere. Eventually husband rebelled, picked a bistro and said 'this will do'. We got in found a table, she had the menu read to her and said 'I don't like this, I want to go.' So everyone trooped out and round the corner was a quaint 'ye olde worlde tea shoppe' tourist trap place where she said everyone could have tea and scones. Husband, by this time reeling from hunger, snapped 'I don't want a scone!' And she said, well we're having the hot birthday meal tonight, so no one should be having a hot lunch anyway'.

One final example: we (husband, me, FIL) wanted to see a particular programme on tv. Normally she controls the tv viewing. When it came on she started saying 'what is this? no one wants to see this, do they?'. FIL was about to cave in and we stepped in and said that we all wanted to see it. Cue much huffing and sighing from MIL, who threw her head back on her chair and shut her eyes, sighing heavily throughout the programme. FIL's only show he gets to see is Dr Who, but because she doesn't like it she makes a huge show about 'having to leave the room and sit upstairs alone in the bedroom' while it is on.

Still with me? So - how THE HELL am I going to put up with this sort of behaviour for the Christmas week? I am going because I feel sorry for FIL who might be due chemo (cue MIL when she heard this 'who's going to nurse him? I can't be around sick') and because husband wants to spend some time with his elderly parents. Advice?

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bberry · 23/09/2014 18:03

Please don't any of us turn into them!!!! How does it happen?????

MIL even brings her own towels when she visits here "to save me washing" oh, not because you see yourself as the hostess with the mostess and you feel threatened by me then, and she wore white to our wedding!!! Not that I have anything bottled up at allllll!!!!

Lottapianos · 23/09/2014 18:07

Bberry, in the case of my parents and in laws, it happened because they expected their children to never grow up and to always take care of them. They take no responsibility for themselves and are furious with their (now adult) children for moving on and having their own lives so they play the martyr and are extremely jealous. Fun times :-(

NormHonal · 23/09/2014 18:10

We have similar food issues with both my Parents and the ILs. I understand that older people might have smaller appetites but do they honestly forget what it's like to be a growing child/teen or even a grown adult wanting/needing two proper meals a day? Both MIL and DMum now serve up tiny portions of food. Last time we stayed I sacrificed my own dinner for the DCs because they were still hungry after their tea.

And agree a week is far too long. And yes, boredom...lots of outings required!

bberry · 23/09/2014 18:14

Mine is unhappy because she still wants to tell him what to do all the time so is furious he isn't still 7....

And that he doesn't have the 9-5 "clock in clock out job" he "should" have instead of being "stressed" and that he doesn't "drive a fiesta" which is a nice sensible car not like the ones he has....

Basically, she's not happy he is a driven man with his own opinions and choices ..... Funny thing is he does still act 7 around her.... And it's me that has taught him to let it go and not get into arguments with her where she storms off in tears telling him "you've changed and I don't like who you've become".... If is kept my mouth shut they would be NC by now.... Bugger!!!

ProfYaffle · 23/09/2014 18:42

I'm surprised this is so widespread, I thought it was just pil being odd! We have real problems with them not adequately feeding the dc.

They looked after the dc for a few hours after school one day (v rare event as they live a distance away, dh was in hospital which is why we turned to them) and for dinner bought them one bag of chips from the chippy to be shared between pil and the 2 dc!

The worst thing though is that after eating their half dozen chips the dc complained they were still hungry. Mil just said "you can't be" and refused to give them any more food.

Greyhound · 23/09/2014 18:50

Horrors - especially the hot / cold sandwich thing.

My parents, bless them, are a bit like this - the kitchen shuts down after 8 pm and God help you should you want to make a cup of tea after then!

A week is way too long - you will a gibbering and starving wreck by then!

Think you

Greyhound · 23/09/2014 18:51

Damn!

Think you need to reduce it to a couple of days at the most.

Hissy · 23/09/2014 20:04

book into a hotel on the last night! you'll need the hot dinner to sustain you on your journey! :)

keep shaving the dates. 3 days, 2 nights. no longer.

Hissy · 23/09/2014 20:05

actually my DM did the not feeding my DS thing! on a couple of occasions! one was his birthday! :(

am NC with her now, so all done and dusted, but it's a control thing, right?

hamptoncourt · 23/09/2014 20:32

Can you go but stay in a hotel? That way you an escape and slag them off and eat biscuits for a bit? Makes it more of a treat for you and DH too?

Can DH really not have a conversation with them where he says " we are coming but we won't be having any of this one hot meal a day nonsense - it's Christmas FFS" or he a big wimpy wimpboy?

Lottapianos · 23/09/2014 21:12

Jesus Prof, your poor kids!

My MIL thinks that DP and I are revolting greedy pigs because we eat 3 meals a day. She never says as much, but makes a big announcement about how she 'is happy with just a piece of toast' in the evening while we are planning dinner. I do think there is a large amount of attempts to control, and lots of martyrdom.

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BreakingBadWind · 23/09/2014 22:18

go for a few days only and stay in a nearby hotel.

Bragadocia · 23/09/2014 22:27

Why do people put up with all this unacceptable behaviour from parents? I don't get it. Does no-one call them up on it?

ImperialBlether · 24/09/2014 00:02

OP, you say they can't visit you, "because we live in a very old house with a steep, dark staircase..."

Am I the only person who thinks that's an ideal place for this MIL to visit?

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AndTheBandPlayedOn · 24/09/2014 01:15

ImperialBlether You shock me! Grin
My mil would want to go grocery shopping at midnight. Every item was noticed, every aisle (frozen aisle last of course) covered. She is too ill now to do that anymore. So as a pp said, I'm glad I endured it as it (just when I was setting boundaries Confused ) was the last time she was able to do it.

Take a craft to do, Reg. That way your eyes will be focused on what you are doing while you half ignore listen to her.

Do you have a dog? Will the dog need to come too, forcing you to stay elsewhere? Will the dog get sick at the last minute and prevent you coming?

ProfYaffle · 24/09/2014 07:04

"Why do people put up with all this unacceptable behaviour from parents? I don't get it. Does no-one call them up on it?"

Specifically re feeding the dc we've told them over and over again but nothing ever changes. If we're around, either at pil's house or here, we just get extra food from the kitchen for them. But nothing changes and the next meal time is just the same Confused It started when dd1 was weaning and she's 10 now so I can't see it changing any time soon.

On one famous occasion, mil put her foot down and refused to let my sobbing with hunger 2yo dd2 have anything to eat. Dh roared and bellowed at her that his daughter either got fed or we left. It actually got as far as us packing before she relented Shock

"it's a control thing, right?" - Hell yeah.

Ifyourawizardwhydouwearglasses · 24/09/2014 08:46

Fuck me, if this is the worst your inlaws do you sound pretty lucky to me.

To summarise - your pil prefer only one hot meal a day (you can make your own if you want two) and they don't like to watch everything that you do (but they still leave it on)?

I think you need to get a sodding grip. They're both ill and elderly and don't want to spend Christmas alone. The above seem like pretty minuscule issues to get over in order to facilitate this.

You sound like a nightmare if this is enough for you to start slagging them off online. Just make your own frigging meals if you don't like what they're serving.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 24/09/2014 09:04

The OP does not need to get a grip at all. Her MIL in particular is completely power mad and going into this even for now three days is frankly two days too long. People get trapped in feeling obligated to visit difficult and crabby relations.

RegTheMonkey1 · 24/09/2014 09:05

Ifyourawizardwhydoyouwearglasses a rather robust comment from you, but just to clarify - they are not both ill, mil is losing her sight but is fit, hale and hearty; pil is undergoing tests to see if he has cancer but still walks several miles a day, does the garden himself and runs errands for even more elderly neighbours. The tv thing has been misunderstood. When we were down last time, the tv stayed on in the evening even though we wanted to just talk, but mil controls the tv. When it came to the ONE programme that pil, dh and me wanted to watch she objected and huffed and puffed.

I can't just go into their kitchen and start going through cupboards and the fridge looking for food and start cooking, it's not my kitchen, it's theirs. Dh can do that, because it's his parents' house and that's what he normally does if he is hungry. I only used the hot/cold thing as an example of her control, it's not the main thing, it really doesn't bother me, but dh is a big eater and he's the one that grumbles - to her, not to me.

He does pick her up on these things - all those who suggested he might be a bit wimpish around her - and she back down at once.

He is 85, she is 86.

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TinyTear · 24/09/2014 09:18

Do a shop and make some food for you and DH

Do they live somewhere with foods you don't get where you live?

Last Christmas after me and DH came back from a walk MIL said she was serving ham - I thought it was some nice gammon... no it was sliced deli ham, with chips... after that we trotted to sainsbury's and bought nice haggis and other foods and just cooked for ourselves... also we have a 2yo with a hearty appetite and she expected her to just eat scraps from our meagre plates!!

pictish · 24/09/2014 09:24

I know this will go down like a ton of shit, but I agree two hot meals a day is too much!
We're the same as your in laws - hot lunch? Sandwiches/cheese on toast for dinner.

Having said that, they can't exactly stop you from having two hot meals a day if you feel you must.

I think she does sound a bit nippy, but honestly nothing major.

KERALA1 · 24/09/2014 09:57

Know this won't work for you but I have tricky in laws and find hosting way preferable to visiting. We are forced into longer visits now ils moved abroad. What works for us is breezy separation. Dropped them in town with a street map and a few tips of places to go, enthusiastically sell all local nt sights. Then we have a topic for dinner. Actually is fine. But my ils are not in any way pushy just very very dull and mil can be mean to dh. I sort of feel sorry for mil as she is on very thin ice with dh and she doesn't realise this.

OfficerVanHalen · 24/09/2014 10:08

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ImperialBlether · 24/09/2014 10:39

Pictish, I agree - not sure what's going on here with two hot cooked meals a day.