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What is this situation, and how do i practically and emotionally get out of it? (long, possibly triggering)

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notsurehowigottothispoint · 22/09/2014 14:07

Sorry, this is extremely long and i'm so worried about posting. It has been therapeutic to put it down in words though, and thank you so much if you get to the end.

I am a very long time lurker and occasional poster but have NC for this post. There is so much to say.. I guess I will start with what happened this weekend just gone and fill in from there to give a more detailed picture of the situation I have found myself in. This has been going on, on and off, for four, nearly five years.

On Friday I went away with ‘him’, for 2 nights at a b&b to “spend some time together”. We’re not ‘together’ and haven’t been for years as it has been really on and off, he is nice for a bit then does something awful and I am hurt and back away then he swears he’s changed…god it’s such a cliché.

Anyway, we went for a pub meal, I had one glass of wine, we went back to the hotel and I changed into pyjamas and got into bed. I kissed him, said I had enjoyed spending time with him and that I was shattered, turned over and went to sleep, drowsy with it being late- when I am tired its almost like a physical shutdown, I just crash out and can be asleep within a minute of my head hitting the pillow.

I was aware of him sort of trying it on as I drifted off, and said no, leave me alone, he stopped and I was able to get to sleep. Woke up I don’t know how long afterwards with a sharp pain as he was pushing his penis into me. I exclaimed ow! , said stop!, and he muttered sorry, I put my hand over myself ( my vagina) and must have fallen back into sleep.

Woken again by him pulling my shorts down and trying to touch and push his fingers into my vagina and bum (I’m sorry for TMI but don’t know how else to explain it). I pushed his hands off and said stop it, but he kept going back, wouldn’t stop, I was so tired. I crawled out of bed onto the floor to get away from him and he was like, look, I’m sorry, I’ll leave you alone, get back into bed. This happened once more and he got angry and said fine I’ll fucking sleep on the floor.

Around 4am I woke up and my bits were on fire, I had to get up and hold a cold wet towel on them in the bathroom. He moaned that I was waking him up (he was on the floor with spare blankets).

The next morning I was still sore and he was acting all nice as pie talking about what we were going to do that day. I was in the shower and sort of had a bit of a panic, as I was sexually abused and raped by older boys when I was 13 and as I got older and in my mind I was in the shower trying to soothe my sore bits and feeling about 13.
He was in the room between the bathroom and the door to get out and I felt a bit panicky.
No one knows this, but he knows something happened like that in my past. I told him I was having a bit of a panic and he was like “Why??”

I came out of the shower and told him I wasn’t happy about how he’d acted last night. I explained how sore I was. He said “I’ve already said I’m sorry, what more do you want me to do?”. I said that he has said sorry so many times before that it has lost meaning for me. I am sick of him always thinking he can take what he wants from me. He went completely mental saying oh are you calling me a rapist then?? I said no, but it wasn’t exactly consent if I was asleep is it? He said “ that’s it, here we go I’m such a bastard” etc etc. I asked him to take me home and he got really angry and drove dangerously and aggressively.
I have been in this situation so many times I have lost count. It feels normal. Since then I’ve had the usual messages ranging from I’m sorry, I’ll change, to “we’re obviously sexually incompatible” and “you just can’t handle my desire”.

History part: (I will try and be as concise as possible, as I say this has been going on for years and a lot has happened)

*10 months after I broke up with DS(now 6)’ dad, I was asked out for a drink by ‘him’. Had known of him and met him a few times over previous 5 yrs as had mutual friends. Friends actively encouraged me to meet with him. Went out and looking back he tried it on first night we met but I rebuffed him as I just personally can’t do sexual things with people I don’t know and care for.

*We started dating and 4 months in at his Bday drinks he got really drunk and this girl he knows was all over him, touching his chest, he ignored me all night despite me trying to join conversation, I went out to beer garden for less than 15 mins while a friend smoked and he went mental and got angry cause I’d apparently “fucked off”. I thought I’d better take him home, we stopped for food and this girl popped up and they were literally touching each others faces for about 40 mins while I stood there with a cold pizza and only stopped when I got in a taxi to leave.
Next day all apologies and swore he’d not have contact with her – FF to him leaving his fb message open on my laptop where he was asking her when she was next free for a drink. Lied to my face, then sorry. (Sounds so teenage, no?)

*The whole time he has accused me of sleeping with my son’s dad because I put myself out to facilitate contact and promote his relationship with DS.

*Accuses me of sleeping with male friend I’ve known since I was 17.

*When I bumped into old housemate I haven’t seen for a decade he threw a tantrum cause I was ‘ignoring him and taking the piss’, was rude to said friend and stormed off. When we got home he ranted for FOUR HOURS about how I was taking the piss and I don’t care about him, when I asked him to stop shouting at me he screamed “ This isn’t shouting THIS IS FUUUUUCKING SHOUUUUUTINGGGGG!!!!” Poor kids next door. Then refused to let me leave his house or sleep in a different room to me and slept practically ‘guarding’ me all night on the floor next to the sofa I slept on cause I wouldn’t go to bed with him. Oh and he threw sofa cushions around with such force they snapped his solid wood blinds. Again next day he’s “sorry” and he’ll change.

*Threw strops about me wanting to go to college to get into uni and why won’t I move in and have kids with him. Accused me of sleeping with every male on said college course.

*When I actually got confidence from going to college and met new friends and broke up with him (very carefully) he waged a campaign against me with 100’s of abusive texts a day, emails, letters, and actually standing outside my window and looking into my basement flat where he saw a male friend I was actually telling how scared I was he would do something awful and going completely mental that I’d been “fucking”(ugh) this guy all along and I’m a lying bitch etc etc. I hadn’t, of course.

*Around this time he purposefully got in contact with a girl I had been very close friends with but she had dumped me with no explanation while my son (then 2) was seriously ill in hospital at xmas, and repeatedly slept with her then told me all about it. Why it had to be her I still don’t understand as it was heartbreaking. He told me how they sat there and said I didn’t deserve him.

*Every time I was so hurt I felt I couldn’t take any more and broke up with him, he was so relentless and alternately vicious and horrible about me or telling me what a princess I am, banging on my door, phonecalls etc I am ashamed to say it was just easier to see him.

*Over all these years I have done things like: Had sex with him to get him to stop hurting and pawing/poking/prodding at me. Cried as he had sex with me. Given him hand relief to get him to leave me alone.

*Since I have completed college at distinction, gained a place at an excellent uni and moved cities on my own with DS, he has said things like “I bet you tell everyone at Uni you’re a poor old single mum an no one loves you so that they feel sorry for you”. I’m alternately a bitch, a “fucking little pikey cunt”(?!) and a lovely woman, a princess.

I would like to point out that DS has actually only witnessed one incident where there was low level arguing out of the room and he then called me a bitch in front of him which was unacceptable. The rest has been messages, emails, phonecalls, and when DS has not been there. Everyone thinks he is a good looking charming man. The above are just a few examples of a lot of things that have happened.

Outwardly, I must seem capable, I am bringing up a son, I’m full time at uni on a professional course, I am getting good marks, excellent feedback on placement. Part of me is just indifferent about this whole thing, that I might as well accept I’ll never be free of him, the harassment, the declarations of love, I might as well just have his kids and do what he wants. Why do I go back? I just can’t answer that. Maybe part of me wants to be loved. I feel dismayed that this has taken five years of my life, but part of me feels I probably deserve it.

Reading this back I sound like a spineless victim and I’m ashamed at the reality of it. Please can you be honest with me about what this situation is, and how best, practically and emotionally, to get out of it? I am in another cycle of apologies and promises of change from him at the moment, he is not listening to what I am saying.

Thank you so much for reading.

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TalkingintheDark · 26/09/2014 10:20

Ps well done for picking up the phone! A brave first step! You'll get there.

TalkingintheDark · 26/09/2014 10:21

Try shifting that anger to him... You have done before, try and do it again. He's the one deserves it.

dreamingbohemian · 26/09/2014 10:22

You poor thing. You're doing brilliantly, just try to hang in there.

I hope you are on the phone now but if not, don't worry about the whole conversation, just try to say the first sentence and they will take it from there. How about this:

Hello, I'm calling because I'm being harassed and intimidated by an abusive ex, and I don't think my son and I are safe right now.

They will then ask a bunch of questions, just try to answer each one. It will be okay. They are used to dealing with upset people, most people who call the police are upset. Good luck, you can do this.

notsurehowigottothispoint · 26/09/2014 10:23

Cogito, yes, totally. I will do everything i can to avoid making phone calls. It affects jobs i have had, everything.
I also hate doing presentations, i really struggle with it, ones i had to do for uni were awful. I go bright red, and on my exam 30 min presentation, I came out in a huge blotchy rash. My legs go like spaghetti, my mind goes blank.
On placement, I used to panic every time i had to make a phonecall. It is awful.

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notsurehowigottothispoint · 26/09/2014 10:25

I got a really good mark for my exam presentation though, so my content must have been good :)
I guess i just think, why would anyone want to hear from me? I am wasting someone's time- even when its something specific like for work, phoning to make an appointment to go and help someone!
I hate it, if i could do everything by writing it down i would.

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notsurehowigottothispoint · 26/09/2014 10:26

Probably stems from childhood. Sad

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KateeGee · 26/09/2014 10:26

Have you tried writing a list of short bullet points that you want to speak about? It might make things easier.

Whenever I make a phonecall I always have a pen and paper in hand, I don't know why but it helps, I just work better seeing words written down than seeing them.

tiredowl · 26/09/2014 10:27

Don't be angry with yourself, you don't deserve it. Read the thread and see how far you have come in just a few days - you are amazing! The phone thing is difficult, yes, but it is something that you will manage, as it will get you where you and ds need to be.
The man who has hurt you is sad, pathetic and inadequate, you, on the other hand, are strong, worthwhile and a good mum to your ds. It is very clear to everyone who is reading your thread Thanks

KateeGee · 26/09/2014 10:28

*than hearing them.

See, you can do it if your presentation was marked highly!

You are defintiely not wasting anyone's time in this case - the police exist to help victims, you are a victim, so they will want to hear from you and help you.

dreamingbohemian · 26/09/2014 10:29

Don't feel weird for not wanting to talk on the phone, it's actually pretty common. I have this, a number of my friends do. It's a form of social anxiety:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone_phobia

I suspect that when you get this guy out of your life, get some therapy, things are looking up more, it will ease up. Don't worry about it for now, just try to push through it for the calls you need to make right now.

notsurehowigottothispoint · 26/09/2014 10:35

Call number two, hung up. Started panicking that time. Legs went all funny.
I keep imagining him being really gutted if the police go and speak to him, imagining them asking me if i want them to go and speak to him and me being like "oh no, don't put your selves out" or "i don't want to upset anyone".

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 26/09/2014 10:35

"Probably stems from childhood."

Possibly. But you're not a child any more. You're a grown woman with a serious problem and you deserve to be heard by people who can do something about it. You've also got a child of your own who needs you to have a voice and use it.

Maybe write down what it is you want to say, take some deep breaths and dial the number again? This is one of those forks in the road of your life when the direction you choose will impact on everything thereafter.

Beat this fear, get some help and your confidence will increase in leaps and bounds.

CogitoErgoSometimes · 26/09/2014 10:37

"I keep imagining him being really gutted if the police go and speak to him, imagining them asking me if i want them to go and speak to him and me being like "oh no, don't put your selves out" or "i don't want to upset anyone"."

This one is a combination of insecurity and what's known as 'catastrophising'... i.e. thinking of the worst outcome. Truth is that he will be gutted when the police go round and he should be terrified... he's a rapist and he knows it. He deserves to be upset and investigated.

Give it another go :)

notsurehowigottothispoint · 26/09/2014 10:38

I know, i am in total child mode at the moment. Not wanting to bother anyone.
Grown woman. Adult. Deserve to be heard.

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tiredowl · 26/09/2014 10:43

I really think that the feelings of fear and dread that you have now about the phonecall are much, much worse than the feelings you will have during the actual phone call, then afterwards you will be able to feel pride in yourself and relief. Try to keep focused on the good feelings that will greet you when you are out the other side - you could be there in just a few minutes.
It won't be that bad, really.

notsurehowigottothispoint · 26/09/2014 11:39

I have just got off the phone. Got passed around a bit then got through to a lovely man at the local DV team who i spent ages talking to. He didn't pressure me for my name, just talked through my options.
Felt shocked when he said from the scant details I've told him he's arrested men for very similar offences, and that he could definitely be arrested and charged with rape.

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notsurehowigottothispoint · 26/09/2014 11:41

He told me all the procedures that would happen for different options. Like I would have to make a statement and go to court and give evidence against him, he would have a solicitor and basically challenge me.

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notsurehowigottothispoint · 26/09/2014 11:44

There probably won't be any forensic evidence though, cause it was last Friday and i think i washed everything. Also the b&b would have washed the sheets. Also that cause it was in Devon it would be their 'offence'.
SO much information. but he was like "yep, classic domestic violence perpetrator behaviour".

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Annarose2014 · 26/09/2014 11:47

Well at least now you know its not all in your head, the police view him the same way we do.

LoisPuddingLane · 26/09/2014 11:50

I'm glad you spoke to someone who made it "real". Do you have a number for the DV team now?

CogitoErgoSometimes · 26/09/2014 11:55

Like I said earlier, the point of reporting is not necessarily about securing a conviction. It's more about getting the truth out there, being believed, being taken seriously, having him investigated and, ultimately, getting him out of your life. It's not your cross to bear any more

So proud of you for going back to the phone-call and overcoming your fears. You've taken the right fork in the road. Today is the day you changed your life for the better.

notsurehowigottothispoint · 26/09/2014 11:56

He said he wasn't going to pressure me into pressing charges or anything, he talked at length with me and i said i wasn't ready to say yes go and arrest him sort of thing.
It did make it real, he was really supportive, as you have all been, thank you so much Flowers Flowers

He gave me the number of the local women's centre/WA and i actually now just picked up the phone and rang them first time. I said the police officers name and what he'd said and she said I would definitely need some support from them and that they could help me. Whoever is on duty is doing an assessment now, so they are going to ring me back before three, when i have to get DS, as i don't want him overhearing anything.

..and breathe!

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notsurehowigottothispoint · 26/09/2014 11:57

Cogito - you are right.

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KateeGee · 26/09/2014 11:58

Well done OP. It's going to be a little easier for you to get help now you've made the first few steps.

Marzipanface · 26/09/2014 11:59

You are very brave. Well done. Keep posting...