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What is this situation, and how do i practically and emotionally get out of it? (long, possibly triggering)

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notsurehowigottothispoint · 22/09/2014 14:07

Sorry, this is extremely long and i'm so worried about posting. It has been therapeutic to put it down in words though, and thank you so much if you get to the end.

I am a very long time lurker and occasional poster but have NC for this post. There is so much to say.. I guess I will start with what happened this weekend just gone and fill in from there to give a more detailed picture of the situation I have found myself in. This has been going on, on and off, for four, nearly five years.

On Friday I went away with ‘him’, for 2 nights at a b&b to “spend some time together”. We’re not ‘together’ and haven’t been for years as it has been really on and off, he is nice for a bit then does something awful and I am hurt and back away then he swears he’s changed…god it’s such a cliché.

Anyway, we went for a pub meal, I had one glass of wine, we went back to the hotel and I changed into pyjamas and got into bed. I kissed him, said I had enjoyed spending time with him and that I was shattered, turned over and went to sleep, drowsy with it being late- when I am tired its almost like a physical shutdown, I just crash out and can be asleep within a minute of my head hitting the pillow.

I was aware of him sort of trying it on as I drifted off, and said no, leave me alone, he stopped and I was able to get to sleep. Woke up I don’t know how long afterwards with a sharp pain as he was pushing his penis into me. I exclaimed ow! , said stop!, and he muttered sorry, I put my hand over myself ( my vagina) and must have fallen back into sleep.

Woken again by him pulling my shorts down and trying to touch and push his fingers into my vagina and bum (I’m sorry for TMI but don’t know how else to explain it). I pushed his hands off and said stop it, but he kept going back, wouldn’t stop, I was so tired. I crawled out of bed onto the floor to get away from him and he was like, look, I’m sorry, I’ll leave you alone, get back into bed. This happened once more and he got angry and said fine I’ll fucking sleep on the floor.

Around 4am I woke up and my bits were on fire, I had to get up and hold a cold wet towel on them in the bathroom. He moaned that I was waking him up (he was on the floor with spare blankets).

The next morning I was still sore and he was acting all nice as pie talking about what we were going to do that day. I was in the shower and sort of had a bit of a panic, as I was sexually abused and raped by older boys when I was 13 and as I got older and in my mind I was in the shower trying to soothe my sore bits and feeling about 13.
He was in the room between the bathroom and the door to get out and I felt a bit panicky.
No one knows this, but he knows something happened like that in my past. I told him I was having a bit of a panic and he was like “Why??”

I came out of the shower and told him I wasn’t happy about how he’d acted last night. I explained how sore I was. He said “I’ve already said I’m sorry, what more do you want me to do?”. I said that he has said sorry so many times before that it has lost meaning for me. I am sick of him always thinking he can take what he wants from me. He went completely mental saying oh are you calling me a rapist then?? I said no, but it wasn’t exactly consent if I was asleep is it? He said “ that’s it, here we go I’m such a bastard” etc etc. I asked him to take me home and he got really angry and drove dangerously and aggressively.
I have been in this situation so many times I have lost count. It feels normal. Since then I’ve had the usual messages ranging from I’m sorry, I’ll change, to “we’re obviously sexually incompatible” and “you just can’t handle my desire”.

History part: (I will try and be as concise as possible, as I say this has been going on for years and a lot has happened)

*10 months after I broke up with DS(now 6)’ dad, I was asked out for a drink by ‘him’. Had known of him and met him a few times over previous 5 yrs as had mutual friends. Friends actively encouraged me to meet with him. Went out and looking back he tried it on first night we met but I rebuffed him as I just personally can’t do sexual things with people I don’t know and care for.

*We started dating and 4 months in at his Bday drinks he got really drunk and this girl he knows was all over him, touching his chest, he ignored me all night despite me trying to join conversation, I went out to beer garden for less than 15 mins while a friend smoked and he went mental and got angry cause I’d apparently “fucked off”. I thought I’d better take him home, we stopped for food and this girl popped up and they were literally touching each others faces for about 40 mins while I stood there with a cold pizza and only stopped when I got in a taxi to leave.
Next day all apologies and swore he’d not have contact with her – FF to him leaving his fb message open on my laptop where he was asking her when she was next free for a drink. Lied to my face, then sorry. (Sounds so teenage, no?)

*The whole time he has accused me of sleeping with my son’s dad because I put myself out to facilitate contact and promote his relationship with DS.

*Accuses me of sleeping with male friend I’ve known since I was 17.

*When I bumped into old housemate I haven’t seen for a decade he threw a tantrum cause I was ‘ignoring him and taking the piss’, was rude to said friend and stormed off. When we got home he ranted for FOUR HOURS about how I was taking the piss and I don’t care about him, when I asked him to stop shouting at me he screamed “ This isn’t shouting THIS IS FUUUUUCKING SHOUUUUUTINGGGGG!!!!” Poor kids next door. Then refused to let me leave his house or sleep in a different room to me and slept practically ‘guarding’ me all night on the floor next to the sofa I slept on cause I wouldn’t go to bed with him. Oh and he threw sofa cushions around with such force they snapped his solid wood blinds. Again next day he’s “sorry” and he’ll change.

*Threw strops about me wanting to go to college to get into uni and why won’t I move in and have kids with him. Accused me of sleeping with every male on said college course.

*When I actually got confidence from going to college and met new friends and broke up with him (very carefully) he waged a campaign against me with 100’s of abusive texts a day, emails, letters, and actually standing outside my window and looking into my basement flat where he saw a male friend I was actually telling how scared I was he would do something awful and going completely mental that I’d been “fucking”(ugh) this guy all along and I’m a lying bitch etc etc. I hadn’t, of course.

*Around this time he purposefully got in contact with a girl I had been very close friends with but she had dumped me with no explanation while my son (then 2) was seriously ill in hospital at xmas, and repeatedly slept with her then told me all about it. Why it had to be her I still don’t understand as it was heartbreaking. He told me how they sat there and said I didn’t deserve him.

*Every time I was so hurt I felt I couldn’t take any more and broke up with him, he was so relentless and alternately vicious and horrible about me or telling me what a princess I am, banging on my door, phonecalls etc I am ashamed to say it was just easier to see him.

*Over all these years I have done things like: Had sex with him to get him to stop hurting and pawing/poking/prodding at me. Cried as he had sex with me. Given him hand relief to get him to leave me alone.

*Since I have completed college at distinction, gained a place at an excellent uni and moved cities on my own with DS, he has said things like “I bet you tell everyone at Uni you’re a poor old single mum an no one loves you so that they feel sorry for you”. I’m alternately a bitch, a “fucking little pikey cunt”(?!) and a lovely woman, a princess.

I would like to point out that DS has actually only witnessed one incident where there was low level arguing out of the room and he then called me a bitch in front of him which was unacceptable. The rest has been messages, emails, phonecalls, and when DS has not been there. Everyone thinks he is a good looking charming man. The above are just a few examples of a lot of things that have happened.

Outwardly, I must seem capable, I am bringing up a son, I’m full time at uni on a professional course, I am getting good marks, excellent feedback on placement. Part of me is just indifferent about this whole thing, that I might as well accept I’ll never be free of him, the harassment, the declarations of love, I might as well just have his kids and do what he wants. Why do I go back? I just can’t answer that. Maybe part of me wants to be loved. I feel dismayed that this has taken five years of my life, but part of me feels I probably deserve it.

Reading this back I sound like a spineless victim and I’m ashamed at the reality of it. Please can you be honest with me about what this situation is, and how best, practically and emotionally, to get out of it? I am in another cycle of apologies and promises of change from him at the moment, he is not listening to what I am saying.

Thank you so much for reading.

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LoisPuddingLane · 25/09/2014 15:16

Just to lighten your day...I went through a bit of a "casual" phase a few years back and had all sorts of wronguns round my house for sex. I think they thought I was joking about the axe. I wasn't.

KateeGee · 25/09/2014 15:31

Try phoning if you don't get a speedy response to your email (I know it's hard but you can do it, give it a go). I had trouble with a neighbour and emailed the Safer Neighbourhoods team and their response took ages. Things got so bad that I ended up calling even though I was petrified, the PCSO I spoke to was a lovely guy who could not have been more helpful. Once they had me on the radar they were happy to patrol the area on bicycles and stuff just to keep an eye out to give me peace of mind.

I wish non-phone access to help was better than it is, but you will probably find it is a lot quicker to call them.

longtallsally2 · 25/09/2014 16:30

Notsure - thinking of you. You could always leave a note on your door when you get back to 'him' saying "Him, leave stuff here please. Will collect later. Notsure", so that he won't knock - or so that you can ignore him if he does.

Hoping that he hasn't been lurking near the school. Thinking of you.

TalkingintheDark · 25/09/2014 18:51

Also thinking of you. I really hope you get hold of the police one way or another, if he keeps this up it is harassment and you deserve protection.

It might be enough for a PO to go and have a have a word with him, let him know that you've reported him - that could make him back right off.

Reporting the sexual assaults is a different matter, though obviously it would make your case for wanting him to leave you alone even stronger. I do hope you can find it in you to report him for the assaults, even if it's not right now. What he did was so wrong. And genuinely criminal.

Didn't you say you have some texts where he admits what he did? If so, wouldn't that add a bit of weight to your side of things in the your word against his scenario?

Just thoughts. Well done you for contacting the police, and for staying strong. Hope you and your DS are both OK, and I hope Women's Aid get back to you soon.

AnyFucker · 25/09/2014 20:38

How's things, OP ?

notsurehowigottothispoint · 25/09/2014 21:14

Good evening lovely people. Smile

He didn't turn up, at least while I was here, I popped out to get DS and left handyman to it, ended up going to after school club to look around, and left school through a different exit so if he was hanging around he would have missed us outside.

Have had texts repeatedly just saying the same thing, are we completely done? Are you sure you want this?
The last thing I said to him in an extremely brief one-sentence message was "leave me alone" at midday Tuesday. Have ignored since.
He keeps saying that he "just needs a yes or no, then he'll leave it".
So basically HIM telling ME when he'll leave it.

Police emailed back saying ring 101!
At least I know its ok to ring them for that.

He's phoning me now.

Talking yes I have messages from him, admitting what he did. FB messages, i blocked him but they are still there. Should i copy paste in case he can somehow delete the conversation?

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BlackDaisies · 25/09/2014 21:21

When you call 101, ask if someone can come round to see you. Then show them all the texts and the FB messages and the call logs. Copying your FB messages isn't a bad idea.
Glad you are ok.

PacificDogwood · 25/09/2014 21:23

How are you doing, notsure?

IME getting incidents 'logged' is a very good idea for 2 main reasons: a. as others have said, it means that you are on your local police's 'radar' - v important should something happen or you simply get frightened. And b. having even what you now think of as minor incidents or things you cannot 'prove' on record builds a picture over time.
Please persevere and report.
DV officers are very well trained and will support you.

I hope this afternoon went well.
Thanks

PacificDogwood · 25/09/2014 21:23

Ah. X-post.
Blush

PacificDogwood · 25/09/2014 21:25

Yes, keep all messages/e-mails/FB messages on record.

Fluffycloudland77 · 25/09/2014 21:31

We had Dh's ex arrested and cautioned for assault for 6 abusive text messages.

This is harassment and assault.

You should fuck him over and get him arrested. He's a bully.

longtallsally2 · 25/09/2014 21:35

So pleased that you are back safely, Notsure.

Yes do take a screen shot of the FB messages and paste it into a Word document.

So glad that the police have reassured you that it's OK to call them, and talk to them. MN is great, and always here, but some real life reassurance is good too. And as others have said, even if you are not pursuing charges, it places you on their radar. You can talk to them whilst you are feeling calm and then if ever you need them in a hurry, they have the background info.

Best of luck

FryOneFatManic · 25/09/2014 21:50

If you can get screenshots that would be good.

Thanks
notsurehowigottothispoint · 25/09/2014 23:12

Thank you all Flowers
He has created a new FB profile just to message me as i have blocked him.
Just saying the same. He wants a yes or no.
Part of me feels that if he does it to me, he might do it to someone else, and if there was a record then according to this Clare's Law thing, another woman might be spared having to deal with his shit.
But i'm not out to ruin his life, i just want him to stop hurting me.
Conflicted.

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PacificDogwood · 25/09/2014 23:17

Does he appear conflicted about what he is doing/has done to you??
No, thought not.

Yes, you are right, you've just cited another reason to have his behaviour on record.

And, remember, should his life end up ruined, his actions have ruined it, not yours. He has chosen to assault you in the past and to harass you now.

I hope you have blocked his new FB account? Please do.
Attention seeking twat.

Annarose2014 · 25/09/2014 23:17

He WILL do it to someone else. This is who he is. You were certainly not the first. Nor will you be the last.

Keep blocking, keep screenshotting.

AbbieHoffmansAfro · 25/09/2014 23:17

Please report him.

FunkyBoldRibena · 25/09/2014 23:25

Please report him. He could have left it but he isn't. He thinks he is untouchable. He will just continue until he sucks you in again.

Make him see you are fucking livid about him raping you. He will do it again until he is stopped.

NettleTea · 25/09/2014 23:52

Please report him
Even if initially its about the harrassment. Because what he is doing IS harrasment.
You can decide later if you want to report further, and you are right to think about others, as he is likely to be on the look out for the next vulnerable woman if he is thwarted in contacting you, and this time he will be carrying his anger towards you with him as well.

AbbieHoffmansAfro · 26/09/2014 00:09

Actually, don't worry about other women at the moment. Protect yourself.

Sootgremlin · 26/09/2014 07:47

Hope you're ok this morning OP.

Jux · 26/09/2014 08:28

Notsure, phone that 101 number, give a brief outline - ex is harrassing you - explain you're not comfortable talking on the phone and ask if someone can come and talk to you face to face.

You can do it. Thanks

irulethisworld · 26/09/2014 09:00

Report the rape, that might give him a well deserved shock.

QueenofallIsee · 26/09/2014 09:04

You are doing brilliantly OP. I agree that you should keep copies of any correspondence to ensure that you can demonstrate the harassment to the authorities if it comes to that.

notsurehowigottothispoint · 26/09/2014 09:11

I do realise i sound pathetic, but part of me misses the nice him, and that was genuine. He honestly doesn't think how he acts is abusive, just overly passionate...
Thoughtful nice things he'd do, how he just wanted a family.
I can't reconcile that with his behaviour at the other end of the scale.
He didn't think he raped me last Friday. At all. He "thought i was awake ", because I'd said i had a nice evening he thought i was up for it.
Why do i feel like I'm being unreasonable?

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