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I'm desperate - end of the road

57 replies

Beyondhelp65 · 01/09/2014 06:59

I know my 22 year old son has to go, but how do I do it.

He is our much wanted and dearly loved first baby, excellent baby, toddler, became older brother to our second son.

Perfect family it would seem.

He entered teenage years and he has ripped our family to pieces, his behaviour was out of control. Both my husband and I ended up,on anti depressants, my husband suffered most losing around two stone in weight.

Ultimately, it culminated in his arrest and prosecution for affray at age 17. He then dropped the 'no good' friends and settled a little.

However, he hates us, me in particular, hates me, I sadly don't think this will ever change.

He does nothing in the house, his room is totally VILE, like a tramps room, bare mattress, rubbish everywhere. He just won't do a thing in the house and everything leads to a full scale row.

He works full time, but that's the only thing he does other than drink.

Let me give you an example of yesterday.

Myself and OH, went out early, around 7.30am. We had a.lovely day out, came home about 5.30ish. It was apparent that he had not been up. I felt this was ridiculous, he had not been up, eaten, done his washing, nothing.

Asked him why had he not been up and was met with a tirade of abuse, and screaming 'leave me alone' repeatedly and loudly and aggressively.

Shouting, swearing, slamming doors, you name it.

The previous day, he had been telling me he had done the ice bucket challenge, we 'chatted' about it, asked where had he done, who had nominated him. I also asked who he had nominated, he said X, Y and SAm. I innocently asked was Sam a boy or a girl, he during the argument said you just want to poke your nose into my business, you even wanted to know that. We barely speak, I was trying to make conversation, it's tough doing that when someone hates you.

Last night was the last straw, I thought him and his father would end up physically fighting, he was totally beyond unreasonable.

The next thing is there is water coming through our ceiling, OH goes running upstairs, to find the toilet full to the brim with toilet roll and water spilling over the top. He's done this before, used that much toilet roll to wipe and caused this issue, but does it again. Cue him saying it was like that already, it wasn't OH had used it previously and it was totally fine. Another screaming match of leave me alone, I hate you blah blah.

Next, youngest son comes home from work, we had dinner (didn't make eldest son any), we then went to sit in the lounge. youngest sits on one settee, eldest obviously drunk the night before had peed on it, DISGUSTING! Oh course total denial again, but OH had come down to make coffee that morning and found him on the settee and told him to go to bed, It would not have been anyone else.

He told us he won't be happy until we are both dead.

Refuses to leave the house and stay else where, we have to get him out he is starting to cause problems between everyone,

He is almost unwell with his laziness, won't get up for work unless i call him, won't 'cook' anything would live on crisps. Would dream of making a sandwich, would only put single stuff in the oven, life packet of scampi, nothing to go with it, just that.

And without exaggeration he must have lost 50 keys to our home, always have to nag him to get another cut, never ever does it without yet another fight.

I won't be getting him up anymore, told him that, he will lose his job.

Why is he like this? We gave so much to him, it's so sad.

We have tried everything, being nice, being hard, ignoring, excluding, welcoming and nothing works.

He makes out home totally hateful.

Other DS is great, normal relationships, will sometimes push the boundaries with mess etc. but a word or a text to say I just came in to find you had beans on toast, with cheese as it's everywhere, will get sorry text and will clear up properly when back. Will have a good old chat and laugh, wind his dad up over football etc all totally normal.

How do we make him go, he needs to leave us, he is abusing us.

Sorry long post but really we are desperate. The above is just a snapshot.

OP posts:
springydaffs · 03/09/2014 09:49

Why did you research some places? He's an adult, he can research his own places. By doing his research for him you are treating him like a child.

Get tough: he can stay a month if his behaviour is exemplary, otherwise he goes immediately. That minute.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 03/09/2014 10:01

He needs to be gone from your home and stay away from there as well.

You originally said 10 days and a b & b; now he's talked his way into staying another month. He is treating you both with utter contempt.
You further enabled him by looking for places; enabling only gives you a false sense of control and does not help anyone least of all your son.

I also see many comparisons with my own BIL who is still living at home.
He also detests his parents and blames them for the lack of opportunities and all the trouble that has rained down upon him. He also has a personality disorder (which also started to really show itself in his mid teens).

You cannot afford to waiver and keep waivering; backing down again as you have done just gives him more power and control. Both you and your H have to present a totally united front.

If you do want your lives back you're going to have to do tough love with him. Backing down and giving in does not work.

mrsbrownsgirls · 03/09/2014 13:57

OP you and your husband sound like lovely parents at the end of your rope.
I hope your son moves out ASAP

MrsDeVere · 03/09/2014 16:55

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wfielder · 03/09/2014 17:21

Good luck OP.

Topseyt · 03/09/2014 17:24

Stay strong, hard though it is. Our family has been through similar with my BIL (alcohol and drug related) for many years, with no sign that he really seriously wants to reform himself.

My MIL tried for many years to ignore his faults in the hope they would go away and buried her head in the sand. She occasionally admitted to people privately that she was scared of him. She did throw him out of her home because she could no longer live with his menace, and although he did go and stayed away, she wasn't able to stand firm often enough though and he depended on her to enable his lifestyle (financially and in every way). He remained a regular feature and his problems did not recede.

My MIL died earlier this year. BIL has been hit the hardest of all by it because even now at the age of 44 he has never had to stand on his own two feet. She always bailed him out, let him use her accounts and drain her finances. I don't think he has ever paid a bill in his life, and prefers to ignore all of them until with fines etc. they mount up and up and go to debt collectors.

I can't help feeling that her continually being "there" for him no matter what happened did him (and her) no favours at all. The one thing she did stand solid and firm on though, was her will. She said that ownership of her house was to pass equally to all three of her grown up children. He did have the brass neck several times to ask her directly to leave it only to him, but thankfully she held firm.

Stick to your guns and make your son leave before it gets to anything like the stage it did with my BIL. He needs to stand on his own two feet at 22, and it may be the making of him, you never know.

ohthatsokthen · 03/09/2014 18:06

Hi OP. I have been there so had to add my two penneth... Same situation, our lives were a living hell with our dd who was diagnosed as an alcoholic. We spent our lives tiptoeing around the mood swings and living with the abuse until one night I snapped and threw her out. That was 2 years ago and the best thing I ever did. Yes we went through some pain, (her trying to break in and kick the door in, but each time the police response was great). She is now clean and realises that we did her a favour. She knows, no matter what she can never come home to live again (she broke our trust) but we are there for her if she needs us. Your son will be fine, give him a weeks notice, pack his stuff at the end of the week if he hasn't done so and put him out. He is capitalising on your fear of what might happen and this is holding you hostage. One thing I strongly recommend is to strip the room and leave it in an uninhabitable state (ie no bed, furniture, curtains etc - that way you can't be tempted to take him back). I can't tell you how lovely it is to have a calm tranquil, peaceful home again. Good luck - you sound like lovely parents who deserve better than this x

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