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I need to kick him out but I know he won't go

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greenroom · 16/08/2014 00:48

Have nc for this.

We've been together 19 years, have 2 DS aged 9 and 11, not married but own a mortgaged house jointly.

He's always been an immature and selfish person. He displayed behaviour within the first couple of years which should have had me running for the hills but he apologised (cried sometimes) and so I always gave him another chance. Was a complete bastard when I was pregnant with DS1, even telling me once that he had never wanted him anyway. When I had SPD he told me not to be so melodramatic, that millions of women all over the world were pregnant and basically just get on with it. When I slept in the spare room during this time, that was wrong. Yet when I was crying with the pain while in bed with him he'd complain that I was keeping him awake.

DS1 was born 5 weeks prematurely, and I spent 2 weeks in hospital with him. Partner came to the hospital (a 30 minute journey) every evening after work, but never let me forget how knackered he was going to work every day and then coming down to the hospital every evening. When DS1 was 4 months old I resumed a social activity which provided us with an extra income each week. I lost count of the number of times he would ring me to say that DS was crying, he couldn't do anything with him, and that I should be at home with him because he needed his mother. I did actually continue this activity until DS was 15 months, but then resigned because of the pressure.

Fast forward a few years and we have DS2. When DS2 is around 3 partner starts going out more, then starts becoming secretive with his phone and suddenly becomes happier. I overhear phone conversations which, from the tone of his voice, are not with any of his male friends. He pops out more with the flimsiest excuse, comes home in the early hours (or actually normal waking hours) of sunday morning. When I did confront him, having gathered evidence from his mobile phone account, he starts crying and tells me that because of all the pressure of having to provide for his family he's started taking cocaine and that the number he's been calling (for hours at a time) and texting several times a day, is a dealer. He carried on with his behaviour though, and one night I locked him out, after warning him that I would if he wasn't home by a certain time. At the time we had an outer and inner front door, both of which locked. I heard him trying the main front door, then the back door, then he tried my mobile, then the house phone, then my mobile. Then the shouted threats started. I had 2 young children asleep in the house and he was threatening my life. I called the police. He pushed his way into the house through 2 locked doors and threatened me, told me I was being completely irrational. The police turned up, put him into their car, and came in to assure me that they would put him somewhere safe for the night.

I fucking took him back.

I started another job outside of my main job and he persuaded me to take out a car loan for an audi. We had a perfectly good car that would have lasted us a good few years, but I went along with what he wanted. It cost us £300 pounds every month which was based on perceived income from my second job, but that didn't work out and so we've ended up in financial difficulties, which 5 years later I'm still paying off.

During the time I was doing a second job, he was still seeing this other woman (he denied it but it was pretty obvious). I tried being more attentive, dressing provocatively, sending sexts etc, but I knew that it was still going on. I decided to leave. My mother was expecting me, the car was packed, the kids looking forward to staying with their grandmother for a while. He turned up early from work. Dragged the kids into the house, making the eldest cry. So I stayed. I made it clear that I wanted nothing to do with him, that it was just for the kids. A few weeks later I fell and broke my right arm really badly. I was dependent on him for a good few weeks. Things actually seemed to improve after this. He would still turn things around that I was to blame for the way he behaved, that some past perceived misdemeanour on my part was the cause of his behaviour.

If he does anything to help around the house, he has to have a pat on the back for it - I've cleared the table for you, I've filled the dishwasher for you

By the way, we're still paying for the bloody audi that he wanted, even though it was repossessed.

Over the last few years he has actually improved. I thought he was starting to grow up (he's 45). A couple of months ago he joined a gym and went with a couple of the men from work, which I don't have a problem with at all ( he needs to lose weight). Wednesday, I noticed £20 missing from my purse, when I asked him he said it was for some weight loss supplements that he bought from the boys, who had told him that they were legit. Turns out they are anabolic steroids. I went ballistic, told him what a stupid twat he was, did he realise that if he had suffered a fatal heart attack or stroke because of these that it would make his life insurance invalid, that he wasn't thinking about his children's future at all. His answer was to tell me that when I had taken voluntary redundancy a few years ago I hadn't even discussed it with him, when we'd actually talked about nothing else for a good few weeks. As it was, the voluntary redundancy provided me with a year's worth of income, which allowed me to build up the business which I have now, which provides almost double the income I was on before. Today he slammed down an empty pill bottle in front of me, but it looks like an old one. He told me he's thrown the lot away. I don't believe him.

It's always been his habit that when he does something wrong today that he will throw in something that I supposedly did years ago.

With this steroid business this week, I really really don't want to be with him anymore.

I've looked on various websites and I think I would actually be better off financially without him.

DS1 is starting comp in September. He is dyslexic, has very low self-esteem (probably from living with such a toxic father - did I say that he's grumpy most of the time and when he's not grumpy he's in a foul mood?)

I used to be an outgoing confident person, but over the last ten years I have turned into a recluse. I have no friends. I have no feeling of self worth. I look at my children and I see DS1 with educational and emotional problems, DS2 is a clone of his father, and I just want to curl up in bed and never get out again.

I'm sorry for such a long post, and I probably haven't even touched on how stupid I feel for putting up with this for so long. I know what I need to do but he makes me feel as if I'm blowing everything out of proportion.

If somebody came to me, or I read it on here, I know exactly what I would tell them. So why can't I do it? Why can't I just tell him to fuck off out of my life?

OP posts:
hellsbellsmelons · 18/08/2014 13:56

Short time!

wotoodoo · 18/08/2014 15:05

Fantastic op! You are such a wonderful woman and you will become the woman you want to be not how he wants you to be!

Step by step, you can do it x

greenroom · 18/08/2014 17:02

Hellsbells, it's been a long time coming. This business with the steroids has been the last straw.

He rang me while I was in town earlier, asked me to make a doctor's appointment for him as he couldn't get through. He told me he wouldn't tell my why he needed the appointment because I wouldn't care anyway, then went on to tell me that a genetic heart condition (which he knew about months ago and hasn't done anything about) had hit another member of his family and he should go and get the tests done. I will ring to make the appointment, it would be petty not to. But I will not be offering any sympathy or feel bad about it.

I feel ready to put things in place for separating, but don't know if I have the strength yet to actually do it Sad

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Jan45 · 18/08/2014 17:15

I still don't get why you are making an appoint at his docs, is he totally incapable? Haven't read all the thread but if you are serious about separating, why do you even give a fuck what he thinks, he's been treating you like less than human for years.

Holdthepage · 18/08/2014 17:56

It's a pity he wasn't thinking about his genetic heart condition when he took anabolic steroids. Tell him to make his own appointments, if he can't get through then why should you be able to. Does he think you have a hotline to the surgery, a bit like the batphone?

He only wants you to make his appointment so that he has to tell you about the heart defect, the poor man didn't want to tell you but now he HAS to because he couldn't get through. Don't you see OP he is ill.

There have been a few threads on here recently where the marriage has finally broken down due to the behaviour of the H after taking anabolic steroids.

AnyFucker · 18/08/2014 18:00

When you make the doctor's appointment for him, do be sure to inform them that despite his genetic heart condition he has been taking anabolic steroids.

43percentburnt · 18/08/2014 22:32

Hi op hope you are ok. The using this thread as a diary is a great idea.

WellWhoKnew · 18/08/2014 22:49

When he realises you want out of the marriage, I suspect his behaviour to deteriorate so emotionally you need to be prepared for that.

He may refuse to leave the house, and that won't be pleasant.

It's worth chatting to a solicitor about how best to proceed as you're not married and you're both joint tenants. Expect him to get awkward.

But do keep writing down your thoughts - it really does help remind you of how far you've come.

Anabolic Steroids should be illegal.

And er, when you split you take your PA skills with you. That's the deal!

The 'I'm dying quick call the doctor' is familiar as well.

Good luck, it really does sound like you're making a good decision.

greenroom · 20/08/2014 12:45

Things have calmed down her since Monday. He's acting as if nothing has happened. The kids go back to school in a fortnight, so until then I'm going to let things lie. Once they're back in school I'll have the privacy to make phone calls and seek legal advice.

Monday night we had a blazing row. I told him that I knew that he'd cheated on me throughout the relationship even though he denies it. I told him how much he hurt me with things he's said and done in the past. The only thing he could come up with was that roughly 12 years ago I worked in an office where we had regular (all paid for) nights out and he thought I was cheating on him with one of my colleagues. He forgot about all the crap he'd done before that, and all the shit he's put me through since is because he thought I'd been unfaithful (I hadn't). The kids came back so we stopped arguing. Later he said I need to sort out the spare room and get the house valued. Told me that if I expected him to find somewhere else to live he wouldn't be able to afford to pay any maintenance.

Last night he didn't go to the gym after work (he'd already tried asking me to meet him at the gym as he'd forgotten his gear) but took DS1 to a football game instead, so he was out for most of the evening. DS2 and I watched a film, they came back before the end, but as soon as the film finished I got the kids to bed and went to bed to read, didn't talk to him at all.

I've calmed down now, but I need to remind myself why I need to get out. So over the last few months he has:

  • Spent £50 on a 50th birthday cake for a mate at the pub. Says he got half the money back from his mate's girlfriend but I haven't seen any of it. But £25 is the most I've ever spent on the kids birthday cakes and think any more is extortionate. To say I'm pissed off is an understatement.

  • A couple of weeks ago I was playing the piano (I studied for years beyond grade 8, to give you an idea of my level), he came in and told me a certain bit didn't sound right. He often does this. I know now that it's done to take away my confidence, but it still gets to me.

  • For DS2's birthday we took a few of his friends to the cinema. My two sat quietly watching the film, but one of the boys was a nightmare. I spent the whole film dealing with this boy, took him out for a few minutes, gave him a stern talking to outside, but his behaviour didn't improve much and he was winding the other boys up. Throughout all this, my partner sat and watched the film. To top it off, when I was coming out of the toilets at the end of the film, a woman in her 20's came up to me, asked me if I was with the group of kids, and I should be ashamed of myself bringing them out if I couldn't control them. I can never think of anything to say quickly enough in these situations, so just walked out. When I told my partner he just shrugged.
  • One Sunday morning, after he'd been out and had a skinfull the night before, he raped me. He knows I'm not interested in the mornings (I'm not a morning person, takes me a while to come round), but he usually still tries it on. That morning he wouldn't take no for an answer. The bedroom door was wide open, the kids were downstairs. He did eventually get up and close the bedroom door after I'd asked him several times, came back and carried on. I just lay there wishing it to be over. I avoided him for days until he asked me why. I told him, but he just shrugged it off and said I was no different to usual so how was he to know I didn't want it? He would never rape me blah, blah, blah. This, more than anything, is what I'm going to keep in my mind when I start to wonder if I'm being unreasonable.

So he does all these horrible things, I confront him about them, he's all sorry and promising he'd never hurt me and he's going to try to change, everything's fine for a while, and so the cycle continues.

I wish I could have woken up to what he is long before we had kids. My kids are the best thing that ever happened to me, but at the moment I feel like such a crap mother. I don't have the energy or the patience to deal with them as they deserve.

OP posts:
Jan45 · 20/08/2014 12:56

You will have plenty energy for your children once you get this leech off your back - honestly, I know it's hard but stop engaging with him and stop bringing up every little shitty thing he has done to you, it will just make you feel worse and actually disempower you.

It's all about the present and the future now, without knowing you I can tell you it's a lot rosier looking than your past, hold tight, stay strong, believe in yourself.

There's no going back, he can't undo the fact that he is a complete cunt of a man and has no respect for you, that won't suddenly appear just cos now you are letting him know you've had enough.

OhMyArsingGodInABox · 20/08/2014 12:56

You are an amazing mother, you are taking huge steps towards your freedom here.

Do keep documenting things here as they occur to you, it will help keep your resolve strong. It says a lot to me about how abused you are by him that the fact he raped you is so far down the thread.

He is horrendously abusive, and a nasty piece of work.

Jan45 · 20/08/2014 12:57

OMG, just read your last bit - he's now raping you, please call WA right away, you need as much support as you can get, under this situation, the Police can remove him from your home, fucking disgusting vile human being.

greenroom · 20/08/2014 13:03

Jan45 - it was just that once, although a lot of the time I just give in (close my eyes and think of whoever I fancy on TV at the moment - like a lot of women do I suppose) and since then he's been more considerate in bed.

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Jan45 · 20/08/2014 13:06

No woman should endure sex at someone else's expense, it's a shared, intimate act to show how much you love each other so any women that endures it should seriously look at why they are even in that relationship - are we back in the 1800s, please no.

So sad to read.

greenroom · 20/08/2014 13:08

I've just realised that by saying it only happened once, it makes me seem as if I'm saying it doesn't matter.

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Inertia · 20/08/2014 13:39

Love, please call WA for support- and please consider going to the police. What he did to you is a crime, whether he regards it as a crime or not.

You don't have to put up with this.

HansieLove · 20/08/2014 14:11

He's so manipulative. He really pulls the strings. YOU need to make appt for him, you need to pick him up from work because he is ill, you need to bring something to him at the gym as he forgot.

Let him know YOU DON'T CARE. Detach.

greenroom · 20/08/2014 22:37

He's just said to me: "what do you think about me selling a couple of barrels of diesel to a bloke at work?" I answered, "it would be just another twattish thing to do."

He's a machine driver on a construction site, the diesel belongs to the company he works for. So if he was caught, he'd lose his job. He then told me that he just told the bloke that the diesel cap on the machine is never locked, so if he wanted he could syphon it directly out of the machine after hours.

Now obviously this was said to get me to react in some way. But I just can't see what he's trying to do with this one.

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FunkyBoldRibena · 20/08/2014 22:54

Does it really matter? It will be something to try and trip you up no doubt.

You need to just focus on getting him out of the house. Let all this mind games nonsense wash over you.

Castlemilk · 21/08/2014 00:10

I think the first thing I'd do now is speak to the police DV unit and report the rape, with a view to getting him out of the house.

He is a piece of shit.

Your life is going to improve immeasurably once he is no longer in it.

wotoodoo · 21/08/2014 08:01

You have a bullying,dishonest rapist as a role model for your dc. You are worn down, no wonder.

He still has a hold over you which is why when he asks you to do things for him you do them rather than detach.

You are finding this hard to do this on your own. Can't you do all your calls or whatever you need to do at your mums? Or at least the police station?

Waiting til the children are at school might be disruptive for them.

Please follow the advice from the women who have gone through what you are going through on this thread x

greenroom · 21/08/2014 10:49

I'm meeting my mum today for lunch. The kids are going somewhere where we can leave them for an hour. I'm going to tell my mother the bare bones of what is going on and that I am going to seek advice.

I feel really nervous about telling my mother, like I have to admit that I've done something really bad. I feel embarrassed I suppose that I'm having to admit that I've put up with this for so long, like I've been lying to her for so long pretending that everything is fine.

And I know it's stupid to feel like this because I know she's on my side.

I had a dream last night that I was the eldest of 3 children (I am in RL funnily enough). Our mother was being physically abused by our father who was a zombie - one capable of having sex while eating. Anybody any good at dream analysis?

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eggnut · 21/08/2014 11:00

I'm no good at dream analysis but I'm very impressed by your strength, greenroom. I'm glad you'll be talking to your mum today. This man has tried to isolate you--don't be afraid to reach out to others for support and to tell them the truth about what he has done.

Your life will be so much better without him!

greenroom · 21/08/2014 11:12

I don't feel strong eggnut. Today I feel like crying. The first time over the last week.

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RubyGoat · 21/08/2014 15:07

It took me ages to tell my mum what my XP was like. TBH there were a lot of things I didn't tell her, your partner sounds very similar to how he used to be. I was scared that she'd think I was weak for putting up with it for so long, she didn't & it was such a relief to be able to talk to someone.