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havenoideawhattodo · 11/08/2014 10:24

I've hopefully NC for this. I've been a member on here for a while.

This is probably going to be long, and I am absolutely exhausted so if I do not reply immediately it's because I'm existing on minimal sleep.

I grew up in an emotionally neglectful environment - my Dad is the trigger issue in my back history. Cheated on my Mum, left us floundering and told me after a suicide attempt that he was 'sick of my bullshit' - in the decade that he went and married his now wife I've seen him a handful of times and have had NC on my insistence since last year, as I realised he didn't care and me chasing a relationship that would never happen was a big part of my self esteem and emotional issues.

I'm an emotional person, creative, talkative, thinker - I respond well to people who are open, approachable and calm talkers. That said, I have an enormous amount of hatred towards myself and alternate between thinking I have recovered, and feeling like I will kill myself and I actively engage in self harm on a regular basis. I am on medication and have had therapy.

Been with my DP for nearly 3 years. He owns his own home (bought last year) and I'm supposed to be 'living' here. I couldn't be put on the mortgage as I wasn't working due to MH issues - I have/had borderline personality disorder but was discharged from CMHT last month saying I no longer meet the criteria, but they suspected all along it could be bipolar rather than BPD. Inefficient case coordinator who left and I've been left too. We've lived together since we were about a year into our relationship, but I left in February 2013 to stay back with my Mum as I had a breakdown. I tried to commit suicide on two attempts. At this stage nobody knew the nature of my illness and DP decided to bury his head in the sand and work harder and longer and although was still around, was emotionally unavailable.

During that period I had asked him to help me recover by doing certain things that I was told may help. I was engaged in therapy with a good psychologist who was helping me change the pattern of my destructive behaviour through objectivity and I asked my DP if he could learn with me. I spent many many hours over a number of months relearning how to see things, how to speak about things and identifiying when things were not good and how to change them. I ended up staying with him more often than not, trying to build a base in his home because he always said he wanted it to be 'our home'.

DP works very hard - I earn a tiny bit of money too. I do all the housework and cooking, and make sure that when he comes home we are able to relax together, as we do not see each other as often as most couples due to his working hours. He always makes sure we have food to eat etc etc. We do have some disposable income and we sometimes use it but it is usually on his terms. He has decided to accept my flaws - I am a very passionate person and I suppose quite needy in some ways, although from speaking with other people I don't think I'm much different. My pattern of thinking is not normal and I'm very distrustful of nearly everybody. I do not deal with stress well and I have been and can be an emotional liability - self harming, breakdowns, medicated and psychotic(ish) episodes.

My emotions however, seem to be largely responsive to the way my DP reacts to me. At the moment, although he is claiming that he wants me to feel stable and secure in 'our' home, he is also the sole homeowner, wage earner and should he decide at 2pm that he no longer wants me in this house, he can effectively get rid of me with minimal effort. I own nothing in this house of any worth, and I also have nowhere other than my Mum's to go to. There is no joint savings or investments and I have very little of my own money to assume any kind of independent life should it happen. He knows this. This happened to my Mum when my Dad left - except they did have joint accounts that he was in serious amounts of debt to, and when they sold the martial house it went to clearing the debts he had incurred unknown to my Mum (she was of a different generation).

So, I want to get married. I do love my DP - I have accepted he is unromantic. I have accepted that he does not do gestures of love. I have learnt that if I want something, chances are there are conditions attached and that I should never get my hopes up too much (he's a goalpost changer). I have even accepted that in order to get married, we would have to go for the bare minimum because DP doesn't like to be the center of attention. I've spent my entire life waiting on the sidelines to feel something special and I recognise that my DP just isn't somebody that likes to make a show of things, even if it was for one day. DP says he wants to get married - at the top of the year he said we'd get engaged this year (although he did say that last year). But I just don't think he will.

At the start of the year, I wanted to get some things changed so I knew that he would commit to something. I wanted to know legally what my options were, so I wasn't presented with the same situation that my Mum was. I wanted him to learn with me, what I was doing in therapy so we could have a better relationship together. I said date nights, even those without costs, would be nice - we've spent the last year spending most of our time on this bloody house. I said that the little things, like the things I do for him (making his favourite meal, going out of my way to make his life easier) would be appreciated. But he just doesn't get it. He has said time and time again that I should 'wait' for this changes to happen. That we WILL get engaged, and I need to stop trying to plan this wedding thing without it because he says the more I try and 'force' this, the least likely he is to do it. Each time this ends in an argument - I have used all my therapy tools to try and have a calm conversation with him about where we stood as each time we argue, nothing gets resolved and I feel hurt and ignored. But he gets defensive, dismissive - tells me how I feel is stupid, that me thinking he is stalling is silly and that he doesn't want this conversation again and again. I get that. I just want it resolved. I want to either get married to someone I do love and see that ability to commit, or for us to civilly part and get on with our lives - we're both 30 and I spent my 20's wasting my life due to my MH issues.

The arguments are brutal. He loses his temper which I fully understand and will throw things. I do the same. I feel misunderstood, dismissed, pathetic and stupid. I end up spending the aftermath of an argument trying to appease him - cooking, cleaning, being kind, keeping my mouth shut to my feelings and then after a week, I end up feeling like he is being complacent. He says he is not. He says I am seeing things that aren't there.

We are now at breaking point, although he won't admit to it. I left on Friday to go back to my Mum's - I had told him during the week that unless I could see something that made me believe that he actually understood what it was I was saying about needing to feel stable/secure, I would leave. And I did. This is normally something I want to do and sometimes say, but I've been blackmailed to stay; he's stopped me from getting on trains (I don't drive), cried and cried and I've felt guilty so have stopped talking and sometimes, I just get so wound up and frustrated that I end up falling asleep through exhaustion and then I just feel I have no strength. Yesterday I came back here for that reason - he has accepted no responsibilty in any of this, and me leaving was entirely my fault and I have messed things up. He said if I wanted this relationship and I wanted these changes, I had to come back. So I did, after two days. I've felt in a crisis since - I can't self harm when he's around because he's said if I do it, he'll harm himself to show me it's not appropriate.

I haven't slept properly, nor eaten. I've cried, I've screamed, I'm sitting here in some kind of catatonic state writing my life away because I just don't know what to do anymore. I just want him to show me these things he says he feels. I can't see why he's stalling - he's not getting anything out of it. I'm always to blame - it's always my fault. I can't trust my emotions/feelings anymore because of my MH condition - it's unravelling and all the monsters are returning and I don't know whether what I feel is true, or my brain is manipulating me. Or whether my DP is manipulating me. He's not abusive - I've wondered whether he's emotionally abusive but none of this 'abuse' comes unless we're arguing or he feels defensive. I can throw insults around too. I try not to but I just get so frustrated - I've spent so much time learning how to control these demons in my head. He went to work this morning, during this crisis, leaving me in bed. I don't feel safe. I know I'll self harm at some point and there is little point telling DP about it because he'll say "Oh well, I have come home now don't I - no choice" - what is the point? I didn't want to speak to his this morning - it'll just descend into an argument, so I blocked him on FB and whatsapp. He can call/text, but he won't - he'll bury his head in the sand at work and hope that when he comes home at 5pm that I'll be right as rain.

I'm sorry for this post length. There is so much more I could say. I feel I can't leave him - he's not an abusive bully, he's not a bad person - he's accepted me for what I am - I understand why he's not romantic and dismissive but I cannot accept why I've had to change so many behaviours to make this relationship work, but he's not prepared to match my commitment. He's sweet and kind to me and he always tells me how beautiful I am. He holds me throughout my psychosis episodes and night terrors but then he dismisses and alienates me. I am so utterly confused. I want it to work, I do.

Please ask objective questions - probing ones. I don't want to do him a discredit because even though I'm hurt and angry and confused, I feel it isn't fair to make him out to be something he's not, especially when he doesn't have the opportunity to explain his side. I want to try and be as objective as possible in order to get workable advice, if that makes sense.

Thanks. x

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LEMmingaround · 11/08/2014 10:50

You write very well. I usually can't get through to the end of long posts.

I am torn. I suffer from depression and anxiety and it is hard for my dp. He cannot deal with it very well if im struggling so I know it is hard for partners. We are in exactly the same position with the mortgage. I wasn't able to go on it but my name is on the deeds of the house (I think). I would have liked to be married but dp never wanted to. 22 years together I guess imstuck with him. We are happy. We havea dd who is 9.

Saying all that your dp seems to be controlling and quite cold. If im very honest it doesn't sound like he is good for you. He knows you don't feel safe yet forced you tocome home. Then doesn't want to help you feel safe. He wont harm himself and he is wrong to say that. Maybe he thinks it would stop you and is desperate but I honestly think he is manipulating you.

You don't seem to expect very much from him emotionally. This makes me really sad. You are worthy of love and affection. You just don't see it. Like I said if im struggling dp cannot cope and switches off but other times he is loving and I KNOW he loves me. Its never in question. You deserve to feel loved. This man doesn't do that. Or if he does its on his terms.

Don't rely on this man for your happiness.

Quitelikely · 11/08/2014 10:54

I'm sorry you're having such a terrible time.

From your post I feel as though you are looking to your partner to solve your problems. Firstly I don't think it is his job to make you financially secure, that's your responsibility. It comes across to me like you need to marry him so that legally his house becomes half yours.

Also I think you are projecting alot of issues and pressure onto him. He is not responsible for your mental well being, that is your responsibility and the MH team. I feel you need something more in that direction. I don't know how he must feel going to work knowing your going to self harm. That is a big pressure for someone to deal with.

DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 11/08/2014 10:59

He's a goal post changer and likes to lay down conditions. He switches between supportive then alienating.

I am sorry but I wonder why you're with him.

DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 11/08/2014 11:01

He has decided to accept my flaws

And what of his flaws? Let me guess, he doesn't acknowledge having any.

havenoideawhattodo · 11/08/2014 11:04

Thank you for the reply, Lemmingaround.

I'm not on the deeds - apparently we cannot make that change without remortgaging the house which wouldn't be financially beneficial. I have no idea if that is true, but he says that - I should research it but to be honest, if it was going to lose him money, I'd feel too guilty to let it happen.

I know he gets so frustrated - he says all he wants is for me to be happy and stable. He is loving and as he's said before, there have been many times when he could have left me - I gave him lots of opportunities. I know I am basing a lot of my distrust on my experiences with my Dad and DP knows all about it - but instead of it working for us, to me I sometimes feel like he's using my pattern of behaviour against me. This morning before he left, I couldn't get those demons out of my head and he said "I know you're making a fuss to get me to stay home today and I'm not going to" - as if I'm putting on a show for him.

When I left at the weekend, he kept saying "come home" and I said I wouldn't - he then said "I know you want to come home, it's what we both want, to be together" - as much as I hate to be defined by my mental health issues, I felt like there was no point fighting.

I've spoken to friends and my Mum - who is brilliant - she felt being back with her was probably best but also understands that I'm not easy to live with and she does like my DP - she also lives in a one bedroom flat and it's very difficult to have any kind of life there. I don't have anywhere else I could go to that would allow me to do whatever I needed to do to get better - I want to be alone but not alone - I know it makes no sense. All other options are either being with friends who live with families or a hotel that I cannot afford and wouldn't feel safe in - I don't think I'd feel safe in any environment right now.

I don't trust my emotions anymore. At times I feel so strong and powerful (mania, probably) and times like now, I don't know what is real and what is not. I don't know whether DP knows what is best - he's a 'normal' functioning member of society - I'm not, how could I possibly know the right course of action? Are my emotions real and justified? Because of whatever MH condition I have, and the dismissiveness of DP, I don't know what is real and what is not. I don't know if I'm being emotionally abused or if I'm the emotional abuser. There is no point in ringing Crisis Team because they won't come to me - they say all I need is a quick chat to calm me down and then nothing else is done. I feel like I'm drowning - I doubt I'd kill myself because I do know there is a lot of good things in my life, yet I don't want to be alive right now. I can't keep self harming, I'm ruining my body; quite literally.

He says he worries about me, but he's not contacted me, nor my Mum. He is absolutely convinced I won't kill myself, so I guess everything else to him is fine. I don't want to talk to him when he gets home because it'll end up in an argument and that is the behaviour he expects. I'm so torn between keeping my mouth shut and becoming a doormat, submissive and passive and smiling sweetly like a zombie - yet I know I'm so much more than that.

Thank you again. xx

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SolidGoldBrass · 11/08/2014 11:07

I think getting away from this man will improve your mental health. Sorry but he is abusive. He chose you - a vulnerable, unhappy woman with mental health problems - in order to have someone to torment and tease, who would be obliged to be permanently grateful and obedient, who would prop up his ego by allowing him to perform to the wider world as a 'wonderful' man who was prepared to take on and look after a 'difficult' partner. He gets off on the idea that he has rescued you, that he is your saviour - and that therefore you are dependent on his whims and must obey him. JHe's not going to give you any security, because then you might start getting ideas above your station.

I think that you might, technically, qualify as a vulnerable adult and get more help wrt housing from the local authority if you end this relationship - have a chat with your HCPs about it.

SolidGoldBrass · 11/08/2014 11:10

Xpost - it sounds to me like you need some kind of supported housing, or a halfway house. I'm not sure that a flatshare with strangers would be much use as flatmates who are not MH professionals and not family members might not be able - or willing- to give you support when you need it (to be fair, it would be a lot to ask of strangers).

havenoideawhattodo · 11/08/2014 11:13

quitelikely - I'm not expecting him to make me financially secure - and I've said to him if I was jointly on the house I wouldn't expect to have half of the house - I just wanted the security of knowing I couldn't be out on my arse virtually homeless. None of his money goes towards anything other than what he would have too, and as I said, I do earn some of my own.

You are right - I am responsible for my MH. I have worked very hard to become accountable for my behaviour, which is why my psychiatrist felt I no longer felt I needed therapy. Part of my "recovery" plan was to work WITH DP to make sure we understood each other and could communicate effectively. He is certainly not solely responsible - I did a lot of this therapy with absolutely no input from DP - but I have asked many times that in order for us to have a healthy relationship, like any couple, we need to compromise. I compromised by accepting that there were times I shouldn't try and have long, emotional chats and that yes, some of my feelings were unfounded. But the likelihood of getting better was with my DP working with me on it - which he said he wanted to do.

I never said I was going to SH to him before he left for work. As you said, it's a great pressure for him to deal with. He would have known I was in a crisis, but as I've said, even if I wanted to SH it's very hard to because instead of trying to understand why I've done it, my DP tells me it's stupid and that if I do it again, he will do it to himself. I'm in a bind in that respect - I have no part of my body I can get my frustration out on in a crisis that he cannot see.

DonkeysDontRideBicycles - He'll say he has flaws for sure, he's often said he's not perfect. There is always a 'but' though. None of his flaws are any different to most people. If I say "You always have to be right" he will say that it isn't true. None of what I feel is true, apparently. Rather than try and understand WHY I feel like that, he chooses to dismiss it. Half the time I try to explain anyway, and end up stopping because I get myself so upset/frustrated/angry that I no longer make sense, which I suppose reinforces his "it's stupid" theory. The other times I just keep my mouth shut.

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havenoideawhattodo · 11/08/2014 11:21

SolidGoldBrass - I would normally agree wrt to halfway housing - I ended up in one for one night and had a horrific experience - I don't often feel safe if other people around me are unstable and I end up adopting a pattern of destructive thinking. I have to admit too, that without the conflict situations, I am actually able to function these days - for instance, when things are good between me and DP, I can go many weeks/months without any episode. Same applies for being with friends - if I am what I perceive to be a stable environment, I am able to deal with the (far less severe) negative thoughts far far better.

The issue is that DP doesn't seem to acknowledge that these "negative thoughts" are real or based on anything tangible. These are all reoccuring thoughts - those I've tried to challenge countless times - but there are nevertheless, to him, things that do not require any change.

Again, I feel like I'm doing him a disservice. I feel compelled to make myself sound monstrous to fulfill my own destructive identity to protect him, but I also know I do that a lot. But he's not a monster - I'm the one with the BPD/Bipolar - I'm the one that on the internet, is vilified for being so destructive. It all feeds into my concept that I am the problem, not him, except I don't feel I am solely the problem and I know for the most part, I am a decent human being with appropriate boundaries unless threatened.

I just can't make head or tail of a situation.

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FreudianGymSlip · 11/08/2014 11:28

I agree with SGB OP. I think your mental health would improve if you got out of this relationship. FWIW it sounds like he undoes every bit of the therapy you work so hard to make use of. Not deliberately maybe, but by his words and through his actions. He isn't going to change and maybe he just can't do what you need him to do. No amount of you trying to make him understand will make him understand. Therapy is, fundamentally, about change. If he can't or won't change and you are trying to - this pattern is going to keep repeating itself ad infinitum.

FreudianGymSlip · 11/08/2014 11:32

You are not the problem OP. The problem is the problem.

havenoideawhattodo · 11/08/2014 11:38

I tend to agree.

It sounds like I want to force him to change or understand - I don't - I've said to him if he can't or doesn't want to, then I get that it's a lot of work and I understand. But he's always said he wants to - he wants to make me happy/wants to understand how to deal with my 'moments/wants to be together - so what on earth does that mean?

Probably more importantly - if I have the strength to leave (which I doubt right now) - if he doesn't understand me now, how will he understand why I'm leaving if he doesn't accept what needs to change? That was the issue over the weekend - me leaving was MY fault, MY mess, MY responsibility to sort out. He felt the whole thing was a game (it wasn't, I just needed to get away) and that I didn't want to leave nor did I need to; everything I needed was 'at home'. How can I leave him if he is so confident that HE is the one I need to be with and 'our home' is my source of stability? I ended up getting drawn into long, protracted and angry conversations where I was desperately trying to explain WHY I left to no avail - apparently I don't have the right to make a decision? I made no fuss - I just left.

He is clearly not the kind of person that will accept my decision - because I can't know what is right for me (as he says over and over again) - and as happened yesterday, I'm too vulnerable to his words right now and too tired to fight. He knows my pressure points and although I don't think he's a total prick, I suppose he'll push whatever button to get what he thinks is going to benefit him and me.

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havenoideawhattodo · 11/08/2014 11:41

Also, explaining what other people think is no use - he says I will skewer a perspective to suit my agenda - despite that fact I do everything I can to protect him from being criticised. I have stopped telling friends and family when I am very low because I fear they will think badly of him, I guess because I do not trust my own emotions anymore.

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FreudianGymSlip · 11/08/2014 11:48

No it doesn't sound like you want to force him to change or understand. It sounds like you're stuck in a really unhelpful pattern with him. The problem (as I see it) is the relationship, not you alone, not him alone but both of you trying to influence the other. He can only do what he can do and you can only do what you can do.
On the other hand:

It's your mental health which is vulnerable to the impact of the relationship. Not his, yours. Honestly, take the BPD out of the equation and what you've got there is the description of a very controlling man who is gas lighting you and being altogether a really unpleasant character the second you try and assert yourself, your own beliefs, thoughts, needs, hopes for the future.

havenoideawhattodo · 11/08/2014 11:56

I get that - and I sometimes feel he is an emotional bully - yet I cannot let go of this BPD thing - would he act the same way if I didn't have it? Would he be the same if he was with someone who wasn't emotionally vulnerable? He became very controlling with his ex but she cheated on him and virtually threw it in his face. His father is the typical patriarch who makes the rules in the house and can be very dismissive (far more so than DP) of his mentally ill, agoraphobic wife (DP's mother). That said, my own psychiatrist said that I no longer met BPD criteria (and that he thought it might be bipolar anyway) - and these patterns of behaviour have only resurfaced since this all kicked off.

DP's Mum is messaging me on FB asking if I'm OK - I didn't see her all weekend and see her often - I've not spoken at all to her because I don't know what to say. I want to scream that her son is hurting me, but I also know he is her son, and I know like I have done in the past, I'll blame my silence on myself. I love his Mum - she's wonderful, and the thought of them hating me because I left DP hurts. He's more likely to spin a story about me to suit his agenda than admit that we both made mistakes - when I was very ill last year, he told very little to anyone.

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FreudianGymSlip · 11/08/2014 12:06

Yes he would. Yes he would. He is abusing you. Your diagnosis is immaterial to him, indeed I believe it is immaterial full-stop. He needs you to believe it's YOU who is unstable and he'll do whatever is necessary to keep you there. This: your own psychiatrist says you no longer meet the criteria for a diagnosis of BPD. That means it can no longer be used against you in this relationship and your needs have to be taken seriously. He can't do that OP. He can't.

You are saying the things typical of a woman who is being abused OP. A kind man would want to help you not because he will gain from helping you himself - but simply because he CAN. I'm not seeing that from anything you've said.

havenoideawhattodo · 11/08/2014 12:11

I am so heartbroken, I have absolutely no idea what to do. Nobody would ever have him down as an emotional abuser and I still cannot divorce myself from the thought that I caused it or that I'm not being fair on him in explaining this. I've seen so many stories online of abused men/women from BPD partners and assume it's me that is the abuser and if my DP explained his story everyone would tell him to leave me. Yet at the same time, I do very little in the way of destructive behaviour.

What on earth do I do? He won't let me go without a massive fucking fight - and I don't know how to deal with it. I've looked on websites for how to deal with breakups as calmly as possible, but it's not going to be that way, and I have nowhere to go realistically that he would not already know of.

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FreudianGymSlip · 11/08/2014 12:20

Yes you do. Get in touch with The Freedom Programme and/or Women's Aid if you think there'll be a massive fight. He has no right to prevent you from leaving, you're a free individual with the right to leave. He created the situation he's in whereby you have been held on the periphery of a future he dangled in front of you for so long - that's his problem. He does not have the power over you that you (and he) believes. You did not cause this, your mental health did not cause this.

havenoideawhattodo · 11/08/2014 12:27

There wouldn't be a massive fight if I didn't say anything - if I pretend everything is OK he will be fine. That's the same thing, isn't it? Sorry, I'm 30 years old and feel about 8 right now, having to ask what to do when I have helped so many others with advice through work in the past. I feel nothing.

He'll try and prevent me from leaving - he's stopped me leaving the house and got in my face/restrained me for my own safety before. I left on Friday without him here and it still resulted in a massive (albeit online) fight - he refused to see me unless I came back and in the end I went back - I must want this surely if I did that?

If he wanted full control over me, why doesn't he just marry me? Why would he be stalling for that if it would give him an even greater opportunity to control me (I'd be too humiliated to leave a marriage after my childhood experience)?

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havenoideawhattodo · 11/08/2014 12:28

Sorry - this sounds as if I'm trying to give every excuse under the sun for not leaving. I'm not, I'm trying to have all the facts at my disposal so I know my decision is objective and if asked, I can say "because of xxx"

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darkness · 11/08/2014 12:45

Is it possible that he really does love you - but hes not telling you in a way you are mentally programmed to hear.?
You have been in abusive relationships - so you will be mistrustful , and you assumption of someone elses behaviour is going to err on the negative and your low self esteem is going to lead you towards self blame and as you said ,appeasing behaviour. I im not doubting your reality here
but I found it quite difficult to entirely understand your relationship from your initial post - he is obviously caring for you - is committed and makes an effort - just not always as you would like - or as would seem logical to you - you are not communicating well..because I think you are not using the same emotional language
I'm probably going to get flamed for not suggesting you just dump him
I dont really know how to concisely explain what I mean here
www.5lovelanguages.com/
check out this website..( there’s a book too - which is somewhat less facile) its a bit cheesy - but could be somewhat eye opening if its not a concept you have come across before

FreudianGymSlip · 11/08/2014 12:45

Look. If you have to pretend everything is ok in order to keep the peace with this man I'm not surprised you've become psychotic(ish) in the past. It'll go on and on and eventually you'll end up with an additional diagnosis of schizophrenia because your reality will become even more skewed than it is now. Really, it will. Psychosis is a disorder of perception AND communication. The way he communicates with you is MADDENING FOR YOU.

What you go on to say is very worrying OP. He 'restrains' you 'for your own safety'. Really? Or because at the point of you escaping he becomes enraged at your clarity of mind? Please get in touch with Womens Aid. Do it on the quiet. You do not have to tell him anything. Pretend for a while if you have to but do it in order to leave, not to stay.

He doesn't have to marry you to be in total control, in fact he has more control over you than he would if he were to marry you. You don't sound like you're making excuses to stay. You sound frightened. But you don't have to answer any questions about why you're leaving - you're leaving because you want to (or rather because staying is untenable to your mental and emotional well-being).

You don't have to agree with any of my posts. You don't have to act on them. I just took up SGB's post and am trying to give you the perception of someone on the outside. I have to go and do stuff now but I'll pop back later.

havenoideawhattodo · 11/08/2014 12:55

Freudian - I feel I may have given the wrong impression - I actually think you've written brilliant posts that have summed up how I feel. I think I'm just trying to get as much clarity from the things that make me think he's worth staying for - I'm very good (clearly) at being convinced, by him, that he's right for me. What we have spoken about has made me feel more empowered - but I do feel confused. I really appreciate your replies and all others too.

darkness - I'm not flaming, I asked for all perspectives. I had a look at that website, and it seems to be geared towards encouraging people to be mindful of yourself and each other and alter or learn your language. My therapy was very much based in this way (CAT/DBT) and was a progressive thing that my DP could have been more of a part of - I had audio recordings of my sessions which he could have listened to, rather than me blindly trying to explain to him. I even bought a book that we could have worked through together, but DP says he "knows how to deal with it". I think the whole issue we have together is that I have been willing and have made significant changes to conduct myself in a more mindful and beneficial way, but DP hasn't - I suppose why should he, but at the same time, he has said countless times he will. Thank you for recommending the website though.

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Demolicious · 11/08/2014 12:56

OP, I have just come across this. I could have written your post myself, I am feeling the same as you except I have never had therapy and we have children together. I actually came on MN to get advice on how to find a good counsellor when I came across your post. I hope you find the answers you are looking for. I am trying to sort myself out. I don't want to settle anymore.

tipsytrifle · 11/08/2014 13:03

I am not very keen on this man; he sounds controlling albeit by nature rather than intent. But who knows or cares where those lines blur?
When you said:

I can't know what is right for me (as he says over and over again)

was the moment i thought, get away from him asap. You DO know what is right for you and what is not. That's why you're writing all this here. That's why you're asking the question, testing the idea in your own mind. The answer is yes, you should leave this relationship. My gut instinct says so anyway and i think yours does too.

Then you said this:

he's stopped me leaving the house and got in my face/restrained me for my own safety before.

and i'm thinking that Women's Aid might offer you an escape and shelter. I understand that perhaps you were distraught or worked up about something but the thing is, abusers are drawn to vulnerable women like yourself OP. They get to exert power over another and call it Rescue. They get to overcome your free will and be congratulated as a hero for Saving you.

No, I'm really not keen on this man at all.