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Married into a lie. Is it even worth saving?

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micnkev · 30/07/2014 23:26

This might be long, so I am equally warning and apologizing to you all in advance.

I married young, at the age of 18 the summer after graduating high school. My husband was a high school sweetheart who joined the USAF and he was assigned to a base out of state. My parents couldn't afford to help me out with college due to their divorce issues and I was never encouraged to apply for scholarships, so I chose to marry my husband early because he promised he could help me pay for my schooling and at the time he was perfect and I was in love and didn't believe in long distance relationships. Due to a lifetime of cheating, physical abuse, and fighting between my parents I - upon numerous occasions - told my husband while we were dating and after our marriage, that I could never forgive someone who cheated because if you cheat it means you never loved the person to begin with. I stand by this still, very strongly. We have been married four years to date and we have been through so much struggle. To start, my husband had a meltdown at the wedding. My family was worried but everyone assured me he was only worried about his vows not being up to par. So we continued the wedding, starting 20 mins late. As I walked down the aisle he stared at me like he was about to end his life. That was my sign that something was wrong. I watched him carefully during the ceremony and when he began to smile I relaxed thinking he was still worried about his vows. The rest of the wedding was great. Then, we got into a fight on our honeymoon because my father tricked us... he decided his wedding gift to us would be our honeymoon. We were told we would be at a beautiful hotel in the city where they had carriage rides and numerous events, etc. Low and behold, we ended up having a two star airport hotel and he ordered us a room that had two beds. I was furious, but stayed calm whereas my husband threw a fit and began personally attacking me. I spent the better portion of that night crying in a bathroom. We had makeup sex and continued the marriage.

I moved with him to his military base and all was well. I got pregnant a few months in because my birth control failed and after that our marriage was a roller coaster. I'll share only a few events that made up the rocky parts of that roller coaster...

  1. His friends were going to throw him into the pool at a cookout. They made the conscious effort to remove his pocket contents and phone, and after throwing him in he got out of the pool in an uproar because he didn't want to get wet. He stomped home and ripped his shirt throwing it on the ground. Then he went inside and threw the coffee table across the room and punched a dent into the fridge. I was terrified and called friends over to stay with me after he left and walked miles away enough to have to be picked up by a friend. This was my first slice of unnatural behavior and I was so confused I didn't do anything.
  2. Picking a baby name was literal torture. Every name I picked was never good enough because he could name one person who had the same name that he hated. He would often pick fights with me about it and in the end I had no say in my only daughter's first and middle name.
  3. He kicked me out of our apartment one night when I was 7 months pregnant because I wouldn't apologize to him for something miniscule. I was locked out for two hours and couldn't even sit in my car, so to stay warm I walked to a nearby park by myself thinking some type of exercise would keep me warm. You might say, why not just say sorry? Well I soon did, but apparently he didn't believe me.

Upon my due date, and an excessive amount of time begging my husband to be in the room with me while I delivered - he didn't want to because of anxiety and he thought it would be gross - he finally accepted. This was important to me because he was the father and due to us being in another state, I had no other family around. He was an absolute nightmare. He actually picked a fight with me in front of the nurses because he wanted me to pick the fastest and most painful inducement, but I picked another option. He said I had no respect for him and left me alone at the hospital for two hours, then came back only to ignore me and fall asleep on the couch in the delivery room. I spent thirteen hours going through labor by myself. He finally got up right at the end trying to present a good spouse to the new nurses. I felt so betrayed by him I told myself that I would never trust him again. Then my daughter came and my anger was offset by seeing my first child. He acted like that night never happened after that, because - as he said just last year when I confronted him - he "thought I wasn't mad anymore". I think my relationship with him forever changed after that. I no longer dream of having more kids with him for fear of being disappointed, and I never want to pick baby names with him ever again either. He ruined the experience of my first pregnancy and wasn't there when I needed him most. He rarely ever helped me with the baby. I was the only one to wake up with her at night and I was the only one to change her diapers. He would go out with friends and never ask me if I wanted to go and he would assume I couldn't because of the baby. OUR baby!

Fast forward to last year, we had an incident of near spousal abuse. He held me down on the bed with a fist in front of my face threatening to hit me if I didn't shut up. He also threatened to take our daughter far away so I could never see her again. This all happened in front of his parents who were worried but told me not to purposely push his buttons because his anger was so bad. I can't remember what the fight was about but I know for a fact it was something both of us didn't agree on. I started seeing a therapist/counselor at my school who was very sexist and I felt like I had to take everything she said with a grain of salt. He didn't see one because he already did that when I was pregnant so he "didn't have to do it again".

I also found out last year, thanks to my best friend telling me, that my husband and her had sexual relations while we were dating, engaged, and on his bachelor night. My best friend and my husband. They both lied to me for four years. I felt so betrayed more than ever before. She told me it only happened once and my husband was drunk but after confronting my husband he told me more of the truth... that she and him had sex more than once. Although in his story they were both drunk and his excuse for the bachelor night was that he was wasted and his brother sent her in to talk and it "just happened" like I'm sure the other times did as well. -.- He cried and told me he felt horrible about it and thats why he saw his therapist while I was pregnant. He said he had never cheated on me while we were married, but due to certain texts he sent his friend while I was pregnant saying he would "fuck the girl in his college class if he weren't married" suggest to me otherwise. I took him back only because I didn't know what to do. We had makeup sex and I felt terrible during it.

Since I found out, he has changed a little. He only had an angry fit once since then when he threw the trashcan and its contents across the room because I told him he was a cheater and a liar. The only complaint I have now is that he plays video games all day long. He will stay up until 6 in the morning playing games like counterstrike and WOW and then sleep in until 4 in the afternoon. Once he wakes up he is back on the computer. Some days he doesn't even get up to use the bathroom.. he just pees in a cup and leaves it on his desk. I am not a very clean person myself - I have to force myself to clean the house and it takes me forever to do the laundry - but, at least I actually use the bathroom. I have discussed this to him before and I did see improvement for a week, but then he just fell back into the same routine.

I just don't know what to do anymore. We are both full time college students since he got out of the military, and sometimes its good but more times it is empty. He never wants to go out and spend money, he doesn't agree with my parenting and thinks spanking and fear solve everything. I think now I'm just not happy with him at all and I still care about him, but after everything that has happened... my trust is gone, I don't want more kids with him, and even though we always have things to talk about there is just no substance in the marriage. I thought that I had forgiven him for cheating on me, but now sometimes I will be doing dishes or taking a shower and then I'll just start thinking about his dishonesty and her with him and the years I went being clueless and it turns me off to a bitter end. We still have the same bed they had sex on and that disheartens me as well. I don't want him to touch me at that point and I shut myself up in the room so I won't have to talk to him until I feel better. He rarely pays attention to this. To him, I am happy and have fully forgiven him. He thinks I can just move on like it never happened. I know he can't read minds, but how can he move on like that so easily and expect me to do the same? It hasn't even been a full year since I found out.

I just don't know if this marriage is worth saving anymore. I don't feel like I am living and everyday is the same routine over and over again. I try to get him to do things outside but he never budges at my will. He'll only go out if it is his idea. I stay in this marriage because of my daughter who is 3, and because of the stability of the relationship (I have no job or money of my own because I am finishing up my degree... shameful I know) and fear of the unknown. My daughter can understand when there is tension and I would hate to ruin her childhood by getting a divorce. He has never been abusive to her aside from punishment and spankings. To be honest though, if she weren't in the situation, I would have left him in a heartbeat. What would you do if you were in my situation? Any advice/help is appreciated. I don't have any friends or family I can turn to for honest and grounded advice.

OP posts:
ExcuseTypos · 31/07/2014 08:33

You poor love, I want to give you a hug. You shouldn't be living this life. You and your baby deserve so much more.

We understand you are scared of his reaction if you leave so you do have to do it carefully. Is the anything like Womens Aid where you are? They would help you to leave this abusive man.

pumpkin3142 · 31/07/2014 08:48

Please leave this man as soon as you possibly can, and don't think you should stay with him for your daughter's sake.

My mum stayed with my abusive father 'for my sake' as she feared the financial consequences of leaving. I was very scared of my father and I massively resent my mum for staying with him. Growing up witnessing their relationship as a model led to my teens and 20s being a string of unhappy relationship s for me as I had no idea what a normal relationship looked like.

Please find somewhere safe to go- a refuge, family- and leave. If possible take money, but not if it puts you at risk. Be aware that he may be more violent after you leave. Do not hesitate to involve the police. Remember he is manipulative and do not be fooled by apologies and promises- he has had too many chances already. For your daughter's sake, please end this relationship now.

micnkev · 31/07/2014 08:52

This may sound retarded, but it was really hard for me to come to the conclusion that I am being abused. I'm not sure how to explain that.. I guess it is hard to wrap your mind around the thought that it is actually happening even though you're not being physically hit.
Before my husband, I would scoff at people like myself just as some of you are doing to me. I would say that I would leave, divorce him, etc etc and tell them they were stupid for staying so long, but it is so much different when you are living the abuse yourself. Especially if it only happens occasionally and the rest of the time things are normal. He doesn't regulate and restrict my time or money like other abusers. He doesn't accuse me of cheating if I don't call. He gives me tons of freedom and doesn't even complain when I don't do the laundry. I've never come in contact with this kind of abuse. My parents were physical and called each other names. This is a whole new area for me and it took me a LONG time to realize I was actually being abused. It wasn't until him pinning me to the bed and the incident with the gun that I finally understood.

I never wanted to be a person like this.. it's not like I ever saw the possibility of being an abuse victim myself. You never think things like this will happen to you, especially when the abuser was so perfect at the beginning. The joy of dating - people only show you what you want to see.

I'm making the decision to get out of this marriage.

I think I just needed someone to actually open my eyes again and tell me it's okay to get a divorce. I wish it were possible to leave the marriage unscathed, but of course divorce is never a walk in the park. Getting a divorce is one of my greatest fears thanks to people putting pressures on marriage and saying it is a sin to give up on one. But I know that for my daughter's present and future safety, and for my own I need out. I would have made this decision sooner if I had not been blinded by my love for him and worried that I would be punishing my daughter if I left. She loves him so much.

Hopefully divorce is not as scary as it sounds and I can keep my feet on the ground during the process. I think out of everything, losing custody of my daughter is the scariest thing of all. This sounds ridiculous, but I truly believe he loves his daughter with all his heart and I fear the day I'll have to confront him as an abuser if losing my daughter ever becomes an option. I still care about him and would never wish him harm, but I realize he has done exactly opposite to me. Oh and, Backbystealth he does say all those things. Ironic.

Thanks all.

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DogCalledRudis · 31/07/2014 08:54

He hits your child and you're worried that you'll ruin her childhood by divorce? That makes no sense...

puds11isNAUGHTYnotNAICE · 31/07/2014 09:00

Abusers are incredibly good at wearing you down gently. By the time you realise you're being abused, they have already won. You know you need to leave him, he is bad.

ps. maybe find another word to use other than 'retarded'.

Kleptronic · 31/07/2014 09:05

Run for the hills. Make plans in secret and go to a refuge, your husband is very dangerous and you need to be so careful. Escape. Be safe. Keep safe.

OTheHugeManatee · 31/07/2014 09:07

Leave the bastard. This one's cut and dried.

It spunds like you've ended up with a husband that perpetuates your own abusive childhood. The best way to make sure your daughter doesn't get caught in the same trap is to leave and never look back. You're 22, right? Your whole life is ahead of you. Don't waste it and your daughter's on this arsehole.

AnotherGirlsParadise · 31/07/2014 09:08

I don't think I have ever a post which has made me so fearful for the poster.

This.

Nobody is scoffing at you, nobody is looking down on you. I've never seen so many posters on one thread telling someone to leave their husband before. This 'man' is a monster. Stay strong, be brave - so brave - and get out. PLEASE.

micnkev · 31/07/2014 09:12

Puds11isNAUGHTYnotNAICE, sorry.. I have a cousin who has aspergers syndrome but my family is so laid back about this word that no one, not even him take offense. We have thick skin and to us it is just a term of reference. I forget that other people are offended by the term and I frequently use it loosely without much thought. He is still one of us even if he has a disorder.

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OTheHugeManatee · 31/07/2014 09:14

Lots of people on MN have experience of getting out of abusive marriages safely. They'll have lots of wise suggestions. Be careful - there is a lot of evidenCe that partner abuse is often fuelled by fear of abandonment and abused partners are most at risk when planning to leave. Make your plans quietly and then just go. MNers with more experience will be able to advise you on planning.

Kendodd · 31/07/2014 09:18

How long is it til you finish college? If only a few months, maybe keep the peace until then (if you can bear it)

I would have said this until the incident with the gun. Leave asap. Don't go to family or friends, you are not safe there, go somewhere he can't find you, keep out of his way for as long as possible, forever preferable.

SlicedAndDiced · 31/07/2014 09:19

I'm torn between sympathy for you op and shouting 'What the actual fuck are you doing?!'

This will not end well and you know it.

After what you went through as a child do you really want to expose her to living with this man? With your terrible relationship?

micnkev · 31/07/2014 09:21

Thankfully, my last therapist left me with a card about a shelter for women and children of abuse. I can call it anytime and they will send a car for me and offer me a place to stay or I can call police to drive me to their location. For now my mother has offered me shelter when I am ready to take it. My father also lives in another state so if I needed to get farther away I could. I think I need to plan first, like get all my important documents together and spare keys and what not just in case there is trouble when I tell him I am leaving.

The stress is on, but I think I will feel better once we are actually free from my Dr. Jekylle and Mr. Hyde of a husband.

I am overwhelmed by the masses of support on this thread. I have never received much support for my situation before because I never knew how to confront it or openly discuss it. I am beyond thankful for all of the support and advice.

OP posts:
Kendodd · 31/07/2014 09:26

just in case there is trouble when I tell him I am leaving

Do not tell him you are leaving, just go, he can work out the rest for himself.

LynetteScavo · 31/07/2014 09:30

Over the years, I've read many relationship threads, but I don't think I have ever suggested the poster leave her husband. - But really, you have to, not just for your sake, but your DD's.

(The word "retarded" is viewed very differently in the UK, to the US, micnkev)

KnackeredMuchly · 31/07/2014 09:31

Don't tell him. Write a letter and run.

Kendodd · 31/07/2014 09:34

Don't even write a letter, he might find it too quickly, send one in the post afterwards if you must.

ColdCottage · 31/07/2014 09:43

I can only base this on what you have said as no one can truly see inside a marriage but it seem clear from what you have said.
You are in a relationship which not only doesn't make you happy but negatively impacts your life and your daughters life.
You say you don't want to divorce for your daughter but she is the reason you should live. Your daughter should grow up in a happy family, even if that means you are on your own. Though I am sure you will meet someone who you love and trust who your daughter can look up to as a stable male role model and whom you could have more children with.
You are so young you have so many options.

Leave, there is so much life for you to be living out there.

As you are in the USA I'm not sure which support groups you could go to which could advice you how to leave and how to support you and your daughter. Your councilor or doctor should be able to help you or take a look online or look at your library.

Good luck

EhricLovesTheBhrothers · 31/07/2014 09:46

In the UK the word retarded isn't in common use other than as an offensive slur, just FYI.

ColdCottage · 31/07/2014 09:46

Just read your latest post.

Yes to getting key documents and items together but I wouldn't tell him you were leaving, just go. Otherwise I fear he will make it difficult for you as he sounds unstable.

Take care. Stay strong, you can do it ????????

Curlyweasel · 31/07/2014 10:45

You and your daughter are victims of abuse. Your daughter is being damaged emotionally. You are at risk of real physical harm. You must get out as soon as possible. Call the women's centre you have a number for and discuss things. They won't push you into making a decision straight away, but they will give you support and advice. Whatever you do, DO NOT tell him you are leaving/divorcing him - at best he may begin his own proceedings and try to discredit you to get custody - at worst things could escalate in terms of physical harm to you and your DD. Bollocks to your degree - find some other way to pay it, but please, please leave now. xxxx

oldgrandmama · 31/07/2014 11:13

Please, dear OP, DON'T TELL HIM YOU ARE LEAVING! Sorry to shout, but he sounds unhinged and he has a gun. Abusive men are most dangerous when a woman says she's leaving. Please, don't risk it - you could well be putting yourself and your darling little daughter in the gravest peril.

SlicedAndDiced · 31/07/2014 11:20

Can I add my voice to the chorus of 'Absolutely don't tell him you are leaving'

You must not op. He has previous for explosive temper, abuse and running to get a gun.

For the sake of your daughter and your own life do not tell him.

butterflybuttons · 31/07/2014 11:26

Good luck OP - I hope you get away to safety as soon as you can. I agree don't tell him - just go when he is out - you don't owe him any explanation.

wowfudge · 31/07/2014 11:27

OP - yes to telling the police what you have been going through. It will help in the longer term if you need to address the issue of the custody of your DD. Get in there first, otherwise your abuser will paint you as lying and unhinged. But get out first.

Tell you family, tell your college, tell the police - you need their support. Do not tell him where you are. He may act full of remorse and beg you to go back, but that will only be so he can control you again.

Flowers for you and good luck.