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what the hell do I do :(

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attheendofmyteatheragain · 15/07/2014 15:13

ex is refusing to pay me child maintenance this month, which unfortunately I completely depend on to be able to pay bills, which he knows, and are due to be paid tomorrow. This isnt the first time he has done this

A bit of background as I think it's relevant to this situation. When i was five months pregnant exp left me (with nowhere to live also and did this by text!). Turns out he had been with his exp during our whole relationship, who was actually his next door neighbour and had managed to keep it hidden very well. he was 33yo at the time, I was 24.

(Please bear with me if it's a bit long winded and rubbish grammar and a bit mishmashed etc, I'm furiously typing this at work..)

As I was due to move in with him in four days and had given up my previous house, I had no other option but to move into my mothers for that time being which was 35 miles away. I was still working full time and having to travel back and forth every day right up until my maternity leave, but I found the travelling too much and utterly exhausting so found myself a suitable home for me and soon to be born son, back in the city, then somehow managed to juggle being a single parent with a new born baby and going back to work full time.

It was extremely tough though, as I had no family close by and only a few friends so the only option I felt I had was to move back to my hometown where all my family and friends are, and found myself a decent job here, which has made things easier for me, but being 35 miles away from exp, he is not happy. After moving back to my hometown, i was still working in the city, spending a fortune commuting, but exp was happy as every weekend i dropped DS before work then collected hom on the sunday when i finished as he lived very close to my workplace

Throughout my pregnancy I must add that exp was hopeless, useless and downright nasty, telling me i was a leech as now he will have to pay child maintenance for 18 years and that I got pregnant on purpose Sad telling me that he will having 50/50 custody when DS is born and constantly reminding me that his sister and brother in law are lawyers. he is a downright bully Angry

When ds was born, i had to invite him into my home so he could have a relationship with ds which was extremely hardgoing but now ds and exp have a good relationship which I couldnt be happier about. Exp is generally consistent with taking DS at weekends except when he decides to go on holiday four/five times a year. and things between us are usually fine

After I started my new job two weeks ago, we decided to meet half way on the friday and sunday to drop/collect DS. All was fine for those two weeks then he decided he didnt want to do that anymore, so he text me to say that this is not going to happen anymore, he will collect him from my house and i will collect DS from his on the other day.

As I had already arranged my whole weekend which included a day at work to do overtime i told him we should keep it at the original agreement and can chat about it face to face when we get a chance the following weekend. simple enough but exp does not like being given no as an answer, so when we met he wanted to know right there and then if he was going to have DS on christmas day (that is not the longstanding agreement we have) and if i will agree to travel 50/50 every weekend with his suggestion of dropping ds at each other house, i agreed to drive to his on the sunday to discuss it further and not in a car park, left, thought everything was fine but now he is refusing to pay the child maintenance until i agree to what he wants!

the money he gives me doesnt even nearly cover the childcare fees i have to pay for ds each month, so effectivley barely contributes to his upbringing at all other than when ds is at his and he feeds him etc. This man had 9 flats which he rents out plus a well paid job yet still refused to pay any cm until ds was 6months old because 'you're breastfeeding him, he doesnt cost you any money' Angry Angry Angry

I earn no where near what he does and really do struggle with paying the bills which he knows and could not care less about, he really grudges giving me anything and has made that very clear from day one. All I ask is that th cm is paid every month on the 14th so rent can be paid the following day but because i refused to talk to him further in a car park and agree to his demands, he is now using money as a tool to overt power and will not give me the cm which now means i will be short. I couldnt help but get upset in front of ds who is now 3.

I am so furious and upset. he said we can discuss money on sunday after we have discussed christmas and travel arrangements. So do I put up with this and allow him to bully me with money? I don't think i can even face seeing him at all, he is putting me in such a horrid position and he is doing it intentionally, cant stop crying and dont know how to deal with this, I've told him if he doesnt do the right thing and pay what he owes I wont be meeting him to discuss anything

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CoffeeTea103 · 15/07/2014 15:19

Sorry op, I really do feel for you. Thank goodness that you're not in a relationship with him. He is a total bully! Im sure someone who knows what to do in this situation will come along soon. Thanks

CoffeeTea103 · 15/07/2014 15:24

Bump

Lesnewth · 15/07/2014 15:28

Get onto the CSA or whatever the hell they're called these days and get the maintenance deducted from his wages.

If he's going to blackmail you, let the authorities sort the money out.

daisychain01 · 15/07/2014 15:28

I'm very sad to read your situation, it is frustrating, stressful and isolating.

Firstly, no , definitely don't allow your Ex to bully you with money.

I believe you need to get help, you shouldn't be having to cope with this alone. You need to have an agreed financial arrangement in place relating to money for your DS, so that your Ex can't manipulate the situation. His statement that your DS "doesn't cost you money" is reprehensible and disgusting on so many levels, I'm so sorry he lacks that much respect for you as the Mother of his child. You deserve better.

I think the CSA rules have or shortly will be, changed so I cannot give accurate facts about that - I just want to give you moral support and I am sure there will be people with specific experience who can give you useful specific facts.

hellsbellsmelons · 15/07/2014 15:28

I would contact CSA (or similar) and see what you are entitled to.
Have you ever done that?
Or just believed what ever he said was correct?
There is a calculator on line you can look at.
Don't agree to anything you are not happy with.
I would never ever usually say this because I think it's very wrong, but I would with-hold access until you get money from him.

Before I get flamed, I've not had a penny from my ex for 5 years. And I have never stopped him seeing his DD.

But this guy seems to be playing a nasty game here with you and your DS and it's not nice.
Don't be bullied anymore.
Stop believing all his lies.

fairylightsintheloft · 15/07/2014 15:29

can you contact his lawyer siblings?- ask them to tell their brother that he HAS to pay the child maintenance regardless of whether you and he are having a disagreement? That he is effectively blackmailing you? Other than that, I can only suggest CAB and the CSA. Good luck x

daisychain01 · 15/07/2014 15:29

Lesnewth I wasn't sure if it is even still called CSA, glad I'm not the only one who is confused!

AltheaVestrit · 15/07/2014 15:30

Can't you go through the CSA/ child maintenance people to get money to support your child?

AltheaVestrit · 15/07/2014 15:31

Sorry - cross posted.

Lesnewth · 15/07/2014 15:33

Not sure why the govt feel the need to change these agencies' names daisy ! Total pain and a money wasting exercise to boot.

GET MAD OP. I feel so cross on your behalf - who the hell does he think he is???

attheendofmyteatheragain · 15/07/2014 18:00

Thanks for the replies. yes I suppose I could go to the csa and get them to sort it out, but I'm sure thats a very lengthy process, which doesn't help me in the meantime when bills need paid nowSad but I will certainly look into it.

when I was pregnant, I suggested csa for cm payments, he flipped (another massive over reactionHmm) and said 'Mark my words, if you dare go through csa I will make sure you never receive a single penny from me'. turns out he didn't have an hmo licence for any of the flats so wasn't declaring the money. he also said that he would quit his job so that csa think he has no income therefore I would not receive any cm. he is a disgusting bully. I didn't but that he would quit his job but I'm not 100% sure if he does work anymore tbh. I don't know what he earns so the calculator would be no use to me and I'm worried I would end up with less I'm the long run.

a written agreement is a great idea also, I'll look into that. has anyone on here had one before/know how much that would cost?

yes I'm tempted to contact his sister, I haven't seen or spoke to her since DS was a newborn but I feel so frustrated and not sure what else to do. it may be futile but it could possibly help?

thank you for suggesting to withhold contact until I receive the cm due. it has certainly crossed my mind, and yes I know it would be wrong and probably make me just as bad as him but the alternative is to give in to him, drive to his on Sunday, agree to what he wants and only then will he decide whether to give the cm overSad it's not on! and I told him he needs to stop the power trip, bullying with money, pay what is due then we can have a sensible conversation on Sunday making life easy but knowing him and what he is like, there is no way he will back down. so if he gets access this weekend and I drive up on Sunday he will continue this cycle of using the cm money to get what he wants and that is a terrifying thought, it needs to stop now. and in the meantime I have bills which cannot be paid on time. why did I have to meet such an absolute wan**r!

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ILoveTIFFANY · 15/07/2014 18:00

CSA aren't taking on new cases, they only get involved with existing ones

The new service has to be paid for

attheendofmyteatheragain · 15/07/2014 18:09

that would be out the question then

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mindyourown1 · 15/07/2014 18:19

Child maintenance service is who you need to contact - and tbh you need to do it yesterday or this man will continue to bully and hold you ransom over money for years.

His contact re Christmas day or any other days is a totally separate issue to maintenance. Your child is not pay per view and he needs to pay the right amount every month. Also him collecting and dropping off for visits is his problem not yours. I think you need to stand up to him tbh. And if that included involving the CMS then so be it.

mindyourown1 · 15/07/2014 18:19

www.gov.uk/child-maintenance/overview

attheendofmyteatheragain · 15/07/2014 18:26

thank you mind your ownSmile this is another issue I've been unsure about. whether I should be meeting him halfway with regards to contact. he seems to think that I would be completely unreasonable not do half of the trip every weekend.

and have been wondering what most people do in this situation. If the bro wants access, is it up to them and their responsibility only to collect/drop? because over the month it would be a lot in petrol and take it's toll on me financially.

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attheendofmyteatheragain · 15/07/2014 18:26

nrp, not bro!

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mindyourown1 · 15/07/2014 18:35

he says he will stop paying if you go for child maintenance - well that is bullying again isn't it. I mean, come on, he is bound to say that. All part of keeping you in your place. Sorry to bang on, but you really need to take the reins here and stand up for yourself. And please don't meet him anywhere to discuss anything - unless it is a place of your choosing and perhaps you have a friend or family member with you as support and a witness.

Yes it is up to him to collect and drop off.

Have you heard of the Freedom Programme btw - you can do it online for free. I presume he has always been an abusive bully?

Pinkballoon · 15/07/2014 18:41

CSA. And tell him you will be.

You need to do it ASAP - as he is only responsible for paying from the date that they start on your application. So, it could sit in their office for 3-4 weeks for example, before they start on it, and you won't be paid for those 3-4 weeks. So hurry.

attheendofmyteatheragain · 15/07/2014 18:50

I won't be meeting him anywhere. therefore he won't be seeing DS this weekend, rightly or wrongly, but I cannot be in the same room as that man let alone have a conversation with him. I'm too angry. yes as long as I've known him he's been a bully, I couldn't see it for a while, and he's very passive aggressive. but I quickly learned after we split how nasty he is, and full of threats. he can't bear to have someone disagree with him.

despite this, he is a great dad to DS, so it's a shame this had to happen but I felt like he was trying to pressure me into agreeing to things which I didn't want and was very pushy with me doing 50% of the travelling for contact. which I was actually going to write a thread about asking how people work it in their circumstances then this happened! he will no doubt now begin more threats of lawyers and courts etc, which does scare me as I have no spare cash for that sort of thing, bit time will tell what happens

No I've never heard of it before, what is it?

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smilingeyes79 · 15/07/2014 18:52

Go and have a look on cm options page ... give them a call you have lots of options including the paid service but you can threaten it, get the cm calc done from them whish is legally binding and still allow him to pay direct .... lots of options open to you, look at website and call them.... plus new cms get wage info from hmrc so its upto date.
If he also has flats and not declaring 2nd income call hmrc fraud hotline.
Get grumpy and use it to power through.

Also ho on benefits page & tax credits, check your getting everything you can.

Give landlord a call and be proactive and explain so they don't get a surprise when you haven't paid.

All the best x

attheendofmyteatheragain · 16/07/2014 10:10

aarrgggh! this is such a horrible situation! yesterday when my mum collected DS from nursery, the staff told him he had been saying things like daddy makes mummy cry. daddy makes mummy sad Sad so I had to explain the situation this morning to them when I dropped him, where I got upset again, and I've had to miss a class I'm teaching at 10 this morning.

argh! and with regards to this weekend, I won't be dropping or collecting as exp is playing his twisted little game of withholding cm until we discuss ie I agree to what he wants on Sunday but I refuse to talk to him at all. I moved house a fortnight ago so he doesn't know where I live to come and collect DS which means I'll be made out to be the bad guy withholding access to DS. I can see this getting very nasty

any advice on how to get things legalised, ie a legally binding contract where he must pay every month so he cannot use it to manipulate me.

I have a feeling he is no longer working so csa or equilavent may mean I get less which would mean I would seriously struggle. can I get something in place for the agreement we have so far? and I think lawyers will have to be involved now Sad I'm not on any benefits as I don't meet criteria so I'm guessing legal aid wouldn't be an option for me

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attheendofmyteatheragain · 16/07/2014 10:14

I'm worried if it ends up in court I'll end up in thousands of pounds of debt. it's the last thing I want for it to get to that stage, but if I give into him and meet him he'll manipulate me for years to come, if I don't, I'll be stopping exp from seeing DS, feel like I can't win Sad

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mindyourown1 · 16/07/2014 10:17

you go to the child maintenance service to formalise the money. And if he is no longer working what is he living on? You will get legal aid if there is evidence of domestic abuse. If he claims to have no income then you can state his lifestyle does not match his income but I think that is a long road. If he takes you to court for access that would cost him over £10K I think, maybe more. If he is that bad perhaps a contact centre is the way to go. But a solicitor for child maintenance? I really don't see that he will consent to that, do you?? You seem to be doing everything to avoid the correct channel - but he isn't paying you now, how could you be worse off than you are now? You are letting him control and bully you.

Are you claiming everything you are entitled to - the website Entitledto will help.

mindyourown1 · 16/07/2014 10:18

and have you got it on record with anyone what he is like, HV, GP, SS or Police?

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