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Us the unfuckables

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ladyeva · 29/06/2014 09:12

Us who are mortified the old fart or burp slipped out but grateful you pretend nothing happened just like we'be veen doing for years.
Us who don't spend an hour in the bathroom after we had a number 2 anymore pretending to have a little beauty session so you don't know what we've just done.
Us who allow you to see we're human.
Us who sometimes stuff our faces with burgers and chinese takeaways - gone are the days of delicately picking at a bit of seabass.
Us who are not an hourglass size ten anymore either, in fact (oh dear) we've taken to immediately ripping and binning all the new clothes labels that spell the big 14, in case you might notice them.
Us who still look good if we make an effort, but we rarely go out so we rarely do, especially it's a bit more challenging with the frumpy clothes we now own.
Us who don't wear expensive designer clothes like we did when you met us so h&m and m&s it is - although we earn a lot more than you and we could afford it, we've got this stupid habit of thinking of the family budget when we go shopping.
Us who for the same reason don't spend money in beauty salons either or maybe we just haven't got the time, what with looking after a home and running a business.
Us who must have painted you the wrong picture when we met, were we trying to impress you? Or did we just slip into comfort zone because that's what people in loving, caring, fulfilled relationships do.
Us who still find you funny and enjoy putting the world to rights with you, who turn to you for a hug and who know you'd never question us or our decisions - you're our best mate.
Us who really can't remember when our last French kiss ever happened.
Us who used to have naughty dreams about you in which you've now been replaced mostly with our exes.
Us who still fancy you, although your skin is a bit saggy and your legs are scrawny but you got a pot belly and above all despite the skid marks we/ve once seen.
Us who still cuddle next to you in bed in the best pair of knickers we have only to see you stretch and mutter a "night night" whilst pushing your head as far from us as possible.
Us who can't manage the crash of the high hopes we had and go to sleep in the other bedroom while you doze off putting it down to PMT.
Us who are shrewd enough to eliminate the posibillity of an OW but are still left wondering if you are genuinely ill or if you wank in the bathroom. Or maybe we're just ugly.
Us who summoned all the courage we never knew we had to sit you down and talk to you countless times and told you how you destroyed every shred of confidence we had and nothing ever came out of it.

So why won't you fuck us?

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ladyeva · 29/06/2014 19:07

Thank you. I'm 31 and I love him and I know he loves me. I'm definitely 100% sure there is no OW - we spend 90% of time together (this might be an issue) and in our work arrangements, I am the boss as such (again this might be an issue).
Every time I speak to him, I get the usual excuses (or what I believe are the usual excuses): I'm tired, a bit stressed, nothing wrong with you my darling, I will try, you don't initiate it either (I do, but then I feel it's a chore for him).
I've seen "soul destroying" written twice above and I could not think of a better way to put it myself. Me self confidence is in tatters, but I think it's more of an effect than a cause.
Maybe I have painted the wrong picture - I don't look like a mess. But I am not a vain person in the slightest and I'd rather be comfortable than glammed up. I don't want to wear high heels and make-up every day because it is not who I am and I certainly don't want to do it so my husband will fancy me.
I suppose that's why I posted and again, that's why I wrote "us". I just wanted to see if there is anyone else out there feeling what I'm feeling.

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GrannyOnTheSchoolRun · 29/06/2014 19:13

Ladyeva, I'm shocked you're 31. I suspected from your OP that you and/or your husband were about my age - 56. But even then I know I dont feel as old/jaded as you are feeling right now.

Could me thinking this you are years older than you actually are, gee you up a little bit? Thats a Scottish saying by the way. Its along the same lines as you need to buck your ideas up a bit.

I'm shocked. Really.

xx

gateauxauxfruits · 29/06/2014 19:20

Like Granny, I thought you were mid 50s on reading your post.

You want to turn someone on. You list a lot of fixable things which you think are turn-offs. Try fixing them?

ladyeva · 29/06/2014 19:27

I sort of guessed everyone was thinking I'm about 20 years older. But no, I'm 31 going on 71.
I forgot to answer one question. In regards to affection, cuddles etc. - we had plenty of them until about a month ago. Tbh I am the one who stopped them out of frustration (I believe).

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Trillions · 29/06/2014 19:28

THIRTY ONE? I thought your were at least 60 from your OP (no offence to any over-60 MNers reading this!)

Honestly though, you don't sound very fuckable, what with all the self-pity, focusing on the negatives, letting yourself go to seed etc etc. It's all depressingly "English mummy". Join a gym, make the best of yourself and flirt with other men until you get your mojo back :)

FolkGirl · 29/06/2014 19:39

I'm also shocked you're not in your 50s...

So, go on then. Which of the things on your list are you going to choose to change first..?

Lweji · 29/06/2014 19:39
Hmm
FolkGirl · 29/06/2014 19:40

Not sure about the flirting with other men advice... Not sure flirting outside of you marriage is ever the solution to problems within it.

Lweji · 29/06/2014 19:44

I do agree with working on improving your self esteem, but mostly so that you can decide what to do without begging him for affection (or sex).

I do think you need to be proactive with him in sorting it out. Either there is someone else, a medical problem, a relationship problem, or he's gone off you. (possibly a couple more explanations)

You do need to either accept that sex is out of the relationship, work out with him how to get sex back in, or leave.

Patrickstarisabadbellend · 29/06/2014 19:45

lady I could of written your op myself.

blueshoes · 29/06/2014 19:52

Ladyeva, if you stopped the affection and cuddles, I am guessing you were the one initiating and so when you stopped, they stopped completely? Sad

You don't mention children. Do you have any? Do you plan to?

PickledinGin · 29/06/2014 19:55

This could have been my post a couple of years ago. In a dead relationship with no intimacy. He said he loved me and fancied me but despite all efforts he just couldn't be bothered. I felt old, fat, frumpy and sexless. To be honest it was soul destroying. To the outside world we had the perfect relationship. Eventually I ended the relationship for many different reasons.

I started dating a few months later and it was then that the realisation hit. I may have wobbly bits and thunder thighs and a big gob but men actually fancied me! Now been with my new dp for 18 months and tbh he can't get enough long may this continue

Not sure if this is any help, but I do understand how you feel. Have you suggested relationship counselling, or just asking him what would help to spice your love life up?

ladyeva · 29/06/2014 19:59

Thank you for all your answers. Lweji I think it's probably just as simple as that - he's gone off me. I've been silly enough to believe if he loves me (and I know he does) that would be impossible.
FolkGirl I'll try and have a bit of a beauty session tomorrow (hair, fake tan, things like that, maybe do a bit of low-carb). Still, I'm not sure that really represents me. And I got no interest whatsoever in flirting with other men.

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Back2Two · 29/06/2014 20:01

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MaryBennett · 29/06/2014 20:06

I thought you wrote beautifully and honestly. It was a sad story though Ladyeva and I, like others, am surprised you are only 31.

You are young!

Do something to change this.

GrannyOnTheSchoolRun · 29/06/2014 20:07

You seem very keen to make it clear to yourself that you're not really into 'pampering, high heels, make up etc', but I think you might be biting your nose off to spite your face and if you would just embrace trying out a few new things you might actually find that you like it all.

There's just something about the way you are saying oh it's not really me, Im not vain, I'd rather be comfy than glammed up - I can't explain it except to say you sound proud that your not like 'those' women who do like to get dressed up and put a bit of make up on etc.

xxx

FolkGirl · 29/06/2014 20:09

I'll try and have a bit of a beauty session tomorrow (hair, fake tan, things like that, maybe do a bit of low-carb). Still, I'm not sure that really represents me.

Well don't do it the, you narna!! Smile

This is supposed to be about you (re)discovering yourself, not pretending to be something you're not/think you should be.

ladyeva · 29/06/2014 20:11

blueshoes We both initiated cuddles, I'm tempted to say maybe me slightly more than him, but I'm not sure that would be the truth or as the song goes, looking back in anger. I then (about a month ago) both stopped initiating them and refusing his attempts so after a while he gave up. I know this is not going to do us any favours, but the sexless spell started about 18 months ago so the damage is already done. I just felt I was getting the crumbs of the table or a little halfhearted substitute for lack of sex. I also started resenting him.
I had a MC about 6 years ago. Been told I might need treatment if I want to TTC again. I am planning to, not for the next couple of years though.
Pickledingin long may it continue indeed, not just the sex, but what sounds to be your lovely relationship! You mention ending your previous one for many different reasons - I haven't got any other reasons. In fact I sometimes think we are maybe too joined at the hip.

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Lweji · 29/06/2014 20:14

Unless you dress like this, are you sure you do need a make over?

ladyeva · 29/06/2014 20:19

Granny (and Folk) - I didn't mean to come across like that. I'm not proud of not being one of "those" women, in fact I envy them a bit (don't we all) for looking so good every day. But I suppose there is no harm in trying, I might find my inner Cleopatra.

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FolkGirl · 29/06/2014 20:23

NO!!! We don't all envy them!! I certainly don't. I think they look shallow, boring, unintelligent, fake and afraid of ever letting their mask slip. They might not be, but that's the impression I get when I see them. That's what I think of them.

I get told I'm 'quirky'. I wouldn't fit in with these women you describe. And I wouldn't have any desire to. I don't aspire to be like them.

ladyeva · 29/06/2014 20:31

I was being lighthearted in saying envy. Granny described them as "women who do like to get dressed up and put a bit of make up on etc.". I don't think that necessarily translate into fake, boring and shallow.
Lweji you made me chuckle. I don't dress like that, no. I am a (t-)shirt and jeans kind of girl though.

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FolkGirl · 29/06/2014 20:36

No, I don't necessarily think it does either, but you did suggest that we all want to be like that, and we don't.

And it's fine to not want to be like that.

Perhaps I'm missing the point. Are you saying that you feel like you should be like that but that it doesn't come naturally to you? Or are you being a bit tongue in cheek about it?

ladyeva · 29/06/2014 20:40

Sorry, I think I'm confusing everyone, I was being tongue in cheek about I envy them a bit - don't we all. In fact I don't know if tongue and cheek, in fact I can't think of a better word than "lighthearted".
It definitely doesn't come naturally to me, no, but tbh I don't feel like I should be like it either. It's just not an essential part of who I am.

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FolkGirl · 29/06/2014 20:42

So don't worry about it then.

What would make you feel better?