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Are text relationships between the opposite sex always innocent?

28 replies

Prisma · 13/06/2014 11:01

On the subject of texting and boundaries, my DH and my neighbour have exchanged texts since we moved away nearly three years ago. It's not all the time - maybe a text exchange once every few weeks and usually fairly innocuous although there is a warmth in the tone that is certainly uncharacteristic of the way in which she corresponds with me.

I've always known about these communications - ie: my DH has never hidden them from me, and although a vague sense of over-familiarity or maybe even impropriety (ie: isn't it a bit rude as a woman, to address yourself to the male in a couple when you know both parties?) has irked me beneath the surface, I've never felt threatened by it or even really been bothered by it at all. Maybe because I've never considered her very physically attractive. I even used to joke about her having a thing for him and saw fit for him to manage the neighbourly relationship because I knew we'd get a more favourable response. They are of a similar mindset. And agree for example on a mutual hatred of such frivolous things as shopping, for example, in stark oppositon to my feelings on the subject! However, I've never seriously considered that he would find her attractive in 'that' way!

Maybe because we're thinking about moving back to the same area, and sparked off by some irritation on my part at DH for replying to a text from her when we were on a family day out, it really has started to bother me. To see if I was making a big deal about nothing, I read the text exchanges through again recently, and although there is nothing particularly untoward apart from repetition of a 'missing you' theme from her, there is nothing overt. It just feels a little too familiar, a bit mutual appreciation. When I said I thought it was inappropriate my DH agreed that at times it has made him uncomfortable and argues that he has tried to keep it strictly friendly. Arguably he has and he hasn't. He keeps it very straight, but continues to respond liberally and initiates conversations. I think this is encouraging her so I asked him to tone it down, keep it polite and friendly, but brief and find a way of including me into it so she really gets the message that we are a united front. In short, be a bloke about it and refer her to the missus! From comments he has made in the past, he does know something is inappropriate about the way she talks to him, but in fairness, I've never had a problem with it before so I've let it happen. I don't think it occurred to me that he was getting something out of their relationship too. And I realise lately that I find the fact of being excluded from these communications quite rude and disrespectful to our relationship dynamics both as a married couple, and also as neighbours. Does that make sense? Even before we moved away, she has a bit of a proprietry attitude towards him, which I ignored, because I really didn't feel it was reciprocated. I'm not big on confrontation, but I also sent her a veiled warning alluding to a jealousy on my part at her clearly favouring him in the neighbourly relationship. Her reply indicated that she totally got the message, however, she continues to text him and he continues to reply and I feel really upset by it and thoroughly disrespected by both of them. Maybe he feels I'm blowing it massively out of proportion, but I have a horrid thought that she is triumphant at having the edge over me - when I reflect, she has always been a little competitive with me.

I am effectively powerless to do anything in this scenario and I am dreading moving back to an area where we are likely to see each other on a regular basis! Am I over-reacting? Should I just live and let live?

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NeoFaust · 13/06/2014 11:10

It sounds like your husband is innocently trying to support someone who he might regard as isolated and vulnerable, and kudos to you for letting him do so.

However, if it is making you uncomfortable, it would definitely be appropriate to ask him, as a personal request, to reduce or tone down the amount of contact. Perhaps assist him with how to do so gently, as he might feel uncomfortable about upsetting her emotionally.

Quitelikely · 13/06/2014 11:12

Do yous have iPhones? If you do when he next texts her back you can be included in the conversation, then join in as you see fit.

I must say I think she is over stepping the mark. Doesn't she have friends of her own to text? What do they say?

You are right in thinking he must be getting something from it, flattery maybe.

Why don't you send a text saying look my dh feels uncomfortable with this contact can you just back off or be upfront and say bogoff. You have tried the nice approache. Alternatively have you thought about asking Dh to change his number and not pass it on?

Quitelikely · 13/06/2014 11:13

*approach

fromparistoberlin73 · 13/06/2014 11:13

she wants him, big time

and for this reason, if he respects you he needs to stop this relationship. she is a fucking twat but if you say anything to her she will distort it

This is not far off from an enotional affair (on her part especially) so I think boundaries need to be set

read up on emtional affairs and say something to him

if he wants to keep texting even thought it makes you feel bad, well what does that say?

you are right to be irked by this, and its not just "mates", she aint no friend of yours! bitch

Needadvice5 · 13/06/2014 11:18

your Dh seems quite innocent in all this and sounds like he's just being friendly and supportive.

She however, sounds like she's a bit of a thing for him and is definitely pushing the boundaries!

Ask your h to keep his replies minimal and she may start to get the message that he's not interested x

Babesh · 13/06/2014 11:26

You don't don't want your dp to have a female friend basically? You don't trust them at some level and think she should defer to you and manage any friendship through you even though you clearly don't like her much?

For me this is bonkers. I trust my dp and he trusts me. We both have friends of the opposite gender and miss them from time to time.

Fontella · 13/06/2014 12:24

I don't think you are over reacting, and that 'missing you' business from her is not on. If you were her neighbour as well, how come she's not 'missing you'?

When I first read this thread I was going to say 'yes it's perfectly possible for texts between a man and a woman to be innocent, but I personally don't think that this is - at least not on her part. She's got designs on your hubby - I'd put money on it, and from what you've written there does seem to be a degree of one-upmanship on her part, as if she is getting one over on you?

What is also concerning about this is that you have let her know that you aren't comfortable with it, and she's carried on regardless. You've also let him know now that you aren't comfortable with it and he continues to reply?

I personally don't think you've blown anything out of proportion and if I were in your shoes I would feel exactly as you do.

Cabrinha · 13/06/2014 13:31

I think this idea that if you are a woman and you know a couple, you should address yourself to the woman of the couple is utter bollocks!

But that aside, it really depends on the content on the texts. Not having read them I can't say if you're jealous and it's nothing, or whether your instincts are screaming out for good reason. On balance, I'd say it's usually the latter!

Partridge · 13/06/2014 13:43

I do think he sounds innocent, but the time has come for him to tone this down. I feel you on the united front thing too. My dh ex-w clearly assumed we got serious because I got pregnant (not true). There was something insidious and proprietary about the tone of her messages - hard to put my finger on - best described as a casual intimacy. She dropped in memories, let it be known that she had just heard "their song" in a bar etc. Always careful to put something quite jokey and dismissive at the end to stop it from becoming inappropriate.

My dh played with a v straight bat, but when I told him it made me uncomfortable he made an incidental statement about how happy our marriage is. She totally cooled all correspondence, which told me all I needed to know. I don't think she wanted him back, but she loved feeling that she had some power over him. Anyway, I am just empathising with your uneasy feeling. I agree that a (not too obvious) statement about his loyalty to you may set the boundaries.

TalisaMaegyr · 13/06/2014 14:19
PlantsAndFlowers · 13/06/2014 14:40

She doesn't miss the OP because the OP clearly isn't that keen on her. You think it's odd that she should text the male of a pair when she knows you both, yet he and she and on the same wavelength and you and she are not.

If you trust him you trust him, if you don't, you don't.

Partridge · 13/06/2014 14:49

That is simplistic plants. I know that uneasy feeling that someone is manipulating you. It doesn't really matter if ex-neighbour is or isn't really - the op sounds like a very reasonable person and she doesn't like this.

So really new boundaries need to be drawn for the sake of her relationship with her dh. She isn't even suggesting that they cease contact altogether. You are implying that she is being controlling and I don't think she is remotely.

foadmn · 13/06/2014 14:49

its sounds like he is either 'with' her or keeping her onside for when he can be.

sonjadog · 13/06/2014 15:45

What is she actually writing? I don't think it is possible to tell whether she is being more than friendly from what you have written here.

JohnFarleysRuskin · 13/06/2014 16:02

If you trust him you trust him, if you don't, you don't.

Someone always trots out this meaningless line. I'm sure up until now the OP did trust him. Now she is wondering if she should. Hence the thread.

OP, you said he admits this is inappropriate. He knows she has the hots for him. He knows it makes you uncomfortable. Why doesn't he sort this out?

GrumpleMe · 13/06/2014 16:08

Get a copy of the book 'Not Just Friends' by Shirley Glass. Unfortunately, most people who read it do so when it's already too late...

Jengnr · 13/06/2014 16:49

So you encouraged him into a friendship when it suited you but now it doesn't you don't want him to carry it on?

People are not just puppets who dance to your tune. They're friends. And that is it. You don't get to pick and choose your husband's friendships based on how convenient they are for you.

All this bollocks about how she ought to gravitate towards you as the wife is rubbish - she talks to him because you didn't want to talk to her.

QuacksForDoughnuts · 13/06/2014 16:50

Of course it isn't 'always' innocent, as we see too much evidence of around these parts. Whether this particular one is innocent depends on what she is writing. If he is trying to include you, and not keeping sneaky little secrets from you, then it is probably innocent at his end at least.

CavaSupernova · 13/06/2014 17:09

Hello, from my own personal experience, I would see a thousand red flags in this behaviour.
My ex husband was one of 'those guys' who just get on well with women. I was always proud of the fact he didn't belittle or trivialise stuff that women talk about, and the fact he didn't feel awkward around my female friends.
Well that all backfired when, a year after our divorce, I found out he'd been 'friends' with one of the women at a gym we went to, had knocked her up at the same time we split and they had a kid together.
I don't think there can be such a thing as a female/male 'friendship'; I think there's always an 'intent' there from at least one party, even if it's only on a subliminal level.

fairylightsintheloft · 13/06/2014 17:34

but cava that's the problem isn't it...the OP is asking an absolute q "is it ALWAYS" innocent?" She may as well have asked if its always guilty or suspicious. Nothing in human relationships is always, or never, or everyone. I would dispute your last comment about friendship as I have several male friends of two decades standing with whom I have a close but utterly platonic relationship. We can't just extrapolate from our one experience and assume that it must be case. OP, you have moved away, so presumably they don't see each other? If you trust your DH in general and he is being open about these txts, I don't think you need to worry to be honest. MN does seem have a very high population of women who have lost their partners due to infidelity and IMHO jump to conclusions a bit too readily based on their own experiences.

AnyFucker · 13/06/2014 17:53

I would not feel "powerless" in this situation

I would tell him to knock it on the fucking head. Full stop. These two are taking the piss under the cover of plain sight.

Tinks42 · 13/06/2014 19:08

As AF said tell him to delete her and never message her again.

Totally out of order.

MarysDressSways1 · 13/06/2014 19:18

This isn't just friendship if she's going on about missing him.

And if he clearly knows it's inappropriate and still initiates conversations and replies, he's doing it for an ego stroke.

Everyone likes to be fancied, on some level he's enjoying the attention and so hasn't stopped it. Tell him to pack it in, it IS disrespectful to your relationship.

Quitelikely · 13/06/2014 19:21

I meant what do they say to each other in the texts!

SolidGoldBrass · 13/06/2014 19:22

OK, this strikes me as yet another bout of Weird Shit Mundanes Fuss About. But also, it's interesting from a feminist perspective.

The OP and her female neighbour clearly don't like each other much and never did. But what seems weird here is the idea that if you have a friend who is in a couple-relationship you have to like your friend's partner, and your friendships have to be split along gender lines. So, even if (EG, not specific to OP) when couple A used to live next door to couple B, if Mrs A and Mr B were both deeply interested in horror films/classic cars/birdwatching and Mr A and Mrs B not bothered, it would still be expected that Mrs and Mrs keep in touch or Mr and Mr, never mind that there is a common interest between two of the four people and little or nothing in common between the others.
Not all friendships lead to sexual activity, regardless of the sex/gender/sexual orientation of the participants. And no one ever stopped a partner breaching monogamy by ordering him/her to end a friendship.

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